Wiggins Discussion thread.

[willbick]

oh yeah, fair enough. in the mountains wiggo is a pro wheelsucker. thats coz he is 100% TTer and cant do big accelerations. his great strength is to put out a consistent high wattage over a long time but he cant do big power peaks, so he cant do attacks and he struggles on really steep stuff. Thats just the way he's built. The flak he gets on this forum for just being the rider he is and riding to his abilities is ridiculous.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Wiggins hasn't actually used any of these excuses though. You made them up yourself and decided to pretend that he had so that you can 'make fun of him'. It's the sort of thing you would expect from a ten year old.

Or from a Wiggins media blitz. He simply cannot understand the writing on the wall. Lets see what happens at the end of the Giro

 

[staubsauger]

oh yeah, fair enough. in the mountains wiggo is a pro wheelsucker. thats coz he is 100% TTer and cant do big accelerations. his great strength is to put out a consistent high wattage over a long time but he cant do big power peaks, so he cant do attacks and he struggles on really steep stuff. Thats just the way he's built. The flak he gets on this forum for just being the rider he is and riding to his abilities is ridiculous.

I guess he gets this more because of his deseastrous behaviour and people love to see him struggle now.

What you said matches more to Lepheimer. But I stop at this point, before actually anyone believes that I was a Levi fan.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

oh yeah, fair enough. in the mountains wiggo is a pro wheelsucker. thats coz he is 100% TTer and cant do big accelerations. his great strength is to put out a consistent high wattage over a long time but he cant do big power peaks, so he cant do attacks and he struggles on really steep stuff. Thats just the way he's built. The flak he gets on this forum for just being the rider he is and riding to his abilities is ridiculous.

He isn't getting any flak - he is what he is.

But he is now 2 minutes off the GC lead - how is he going to make that back?
The reality is he can't - but Sky have Uran on the same time, and he certainly can.

 

[blaxland]

I hope im wrong but i think wiggins wont finish this giro?He seem,s to be mentally strained and has no confidence atm.

 

[willbick]

the main reason people on this forum hate him is

1 he's british
2 his riding style is unexciting.

seems rather harsh to me but there you go. I guess people like to find any lame excuses to have a good rant

 

[Heckler]

I'm not his fan and I think his recent trash talking manipulation of a teammate was lame, but you only have to look at his record (I'm sure wiki's got the list); Wiggo's a lot of things, but he was winning important races long before anyone had even heard of Froome or most of the rest of the team. The Giro's only half over, Wiggins could get stronger, could get lucky. Nibali and Evans could both have bad days.

The guy does have a big engine.

 

[willbick]

He isn't getting any flak - he is what he is.

But he is now 2 minutes off the GC lead - how is he going to make that back?
The reality is he can't - but Sky have Uran on the same time, and he certainly can.

by having a good day in the mounatains and nibali having a bad day. it happens you know. they arent robots

 

[jamesmasters]

by having a good day in the mounatains and nibali having a bad day. it happens you know. they arent robots

It isn't going to happen. He isn't strong enough. Not in bad form but not great either. Didn't do any damage in the TT and got dropped in the climbs.

I suspect Wiggins' problem in this Giro is ego. I don't think he's fully trained for it because he thought he could win and still have something in reserve for the Tour. Now he's going to lose the Giro and Froome will be sole leader for the Tour, and he won't get either.

 

[Cyivel]

the main reason people on this forum hate him is

1 he's british
2 his riding style is unexciting.

seems rather harsh to me but there you go. I guess people like to find any lame excuses to have a good rant

The main reason people like him on this forum is

1. he's british

 

[willbick]

It isn't going to happen. He isn't strong enough. Not in bad form but not great either. Didn't do any damage in the TT and got dropped in the climbs.

I suspect Wiggins' problem in this Giro is ego. I don't think he's fully trained for it because he thought he could win and still have something in reserve for the Tour. Now he's going to lose the Giro and Froome will be sole leader for the Tour, and he won't get either.

i wish i had your crystal ball. anything can happen in cycling and in life. maybe one day u will realise that and not be quite so confident about prediciting the future

 

[Dr. Maserati]

by having a good day in the mounatains and nibali having a bad day. it happens you know. they arent robots

Waiting on someone to have a bad day is not strategy, its a hope.

Nibali is strong, and Evans is usually Mr. Consistent - a 'good' day in the mountains for Wiggins is sticking with them.
And even you acknowledged that BW is not an attacking rider in the mountains.

the main reason people on this forum hate him is

1 he's british
2 his riding style is unexciting.

seems rather harsh to me but there you go. I guess people like to find any lame excuses to have a good rant

The hater card - never gets old.

 

[Elevation]

It is a common tactic - it works better if you don't leave it until the last 10 k, that there is an actual "opposing team" to work, that they get tired and your team leader then leaves them to take time out of them.

No I think it did work. Sky won the stage and now have two GC cards. Astana did have to chase. Wiggins just wasn't on his best form.

 

[Elevation]

Of course, in the old days the tour de france regularly had time trial stages of 150 miles. Wiggins would have won much in that era.

 

[willbick]

Waiting on someone to have a bad day is not strategy, its a hope.

Nibali is strong, and Evans is usually Mr. Consistent - a 'good' day in the mountains for Wiggins is sticking with them.
And even you acknowledged that BW is not an attacking rider in the mountains.


The hater card - never gets old.

what has that got to do with the point i was making?

 

[Elevation]

The hater card - never gets old.

So you are a supporter?

 

[Cyivel]

Welcome Elevation, brother.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It isn't going to happen. He isn't strong enough. Not in bad form but not great either. Didn't do any damage in the TT and got dropped in the climbs.

Very well said.

I suspect Wiggins' problem in this Giro is ego. I don't think he's fully trained for it because he thought he could win and still have something in reserve for the Tour. Now he's going to lose the Giro and Froome will be sole leader for the Tour, and he won't get either.

Don't agree that it was ego.

He has trained hard, but the time frame is too short. If he was at 100% last July, where is he in relation to that, and why?
He had gotten to 100% last year after a long slog of almost 18 months. After the Olympics he took a lot of time off, had a lot of commitments - and to cap it all off the Giro is in May. He has got in to as good a condition as he could in the time, but the opposition are better prepared.

 

[thehog]

Of course, in the old days the tour de france regularly had time trial stages of 150 miles. Wiggins would have won much in that era.

An ITT stage of 150 miles? Wow that's a long stage. 240km's for a time trial stage.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So you are a supporter?

Hi BPC, I just call it as it is, not a supporter, but definitely not a hater.
You're welcome.

 

[Elevation]

An ITT stage of 150 miles? Wow that's a long stage. 240km's for a time trial stage.

Indeed. Can't imagine that these days. Wiggins would certainly clean up.

 

[willbick]

Very well said.


Don't agree that it was ego.

He has trained hard, but the time frame is too short. If he was at 100% last July, where is he in relation to that, and why?
He had gotten to 100% last year after a long slog of almost 18 months. After the Olympics he took a lot of time off, had a lot of commitments - and to cap it all off the Giro is in May. He has got in to as good a condition as he could in the time, but the opposition are better prepared.

this may well be the case. maybe he hasnt done the preparation to be at his best. or maybe has has a bit of a bug. or maybe both. or maybe a million other reasons. the point is life is complex. the human body is complex. cycling is complex. to make these silly sweeping generalisations like 'wiigins cant make up 2 minutes' is not helpful. of course he can. he probably wont but nothing is impossible

 

[cineteq]

the main reason people on this forum hate him is

1 he's british
2 his riding style is unexciting.

seems rather harsh to me but there you go. I guess people like to find any lame excuses to have a good rant

Not really. This is more why:

3 he's arrogant
4 he's disrespectful
5 he's bad teammate
6 he doesn't deserve to be a knight

There are others but I can't think of them right now.

Miburo do you want to start a poll for this? It's right up your alley.

 

[Elevation]

Hi BPC, I just call it as it is, not a supporter, but definitely not a hater.
You're welcome.

ok. But some people look to be negative on purpose. Check the thread.

 

[willbick]

Not really. This is more why:

3 he's arrogant
4 he's disrespectful
5 he's bad teammate
6 he doesn't deserve to be a knight

There are others but I can't think of them right now.

Miburo do you want to start a poll for this? It's right up your alley.

ok. first i would say basing your opinions of someone's character based solely on the media is not a good idea. you dont know wiggins as a person in private and neither do i. its very hard to come across as a perfect person when u are a famous media figure. the job of the media is to exaggerate and distort people's personality to make a better story. as for not deserving to be a knight, i would say the whole knighthood thing is a load of bollox but he didnt choose to be given it. to be honest im a bit disappointed he didnt turn it down but there you go