Wiggins Discussion thread.

[Granville57]

Why would he allow Uran to ride off when he has a gt to win, and not allow Froome to take an easy stage win when hes 4 minutes ahead of his nearest rival on the last mountain of the tour with 1k to go

Perhaps he just doesn't like Michelle?

 

[Elevation]

Yeah, definitely a planned attack by Uran for Sky. No doubt about it.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Of course he had a say, it may have slightly backfired a bit for Wiggo (to the extent he lost some time to Nibali/Evans), but I expect an attack from Uran was pre-planned prior to the stage and Wiggo would have given the go-ahead if he was feeling good.

"Oi, Brad - we can see the reverse lights from here, mate, so can we give the lil lad a chance- say "f**k" for yes or "c**t" for no.'

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Yeah, definitely a planned attack by Uran for Sky. No doubt about it.

According to David Walsh he was plan C.

 

[postmanhat]

@Skyfangirl1 (aka David Walsh) tweeted that Bailsford told him during the stage that Uran was going to attack and that was the team plan.

So it is not unreasonable to conclude that it was not a case of wiggins deciding mid stage that uran can attack.

Either way. Was trying to disprove the assertion that Wiggin's ego was getting in the way of his team-mates progress. He's potentially ceding leadership a third of the way through a GT. Not too shabby

 

[The Hitch]

No - he did not.

Well thats the last time i jump to your defense.

 

[Elevation]

According to David Walsh he was plan C.

It looked very much like a pre-stage plan. Brailsford has said in recent days they were going to play all their cards. They obviously did hope Wiggins would hang on, but he would likely have lost a similar amount of time without Uran's planned attack. Now they at least have another guy in a good position.

 

[thehog]

Well thats the last time i jump to your defense.

You just got vortexed

 

[postmanhat]

"Oi, Brad - we can see the reverse lights from here, mate, so can we give the lil lad a chance- say "f**k" for yes or "c**t" for no.'

He he. Perhaps Henao misunderstood today when he heard 'F**k that colombian c**t'

 

[Elevation]

It's quite a common tactic in cycling to send a guy up the road to try to make your opposing team work. Surprised so many people are unfamiliar with this.

 

[Kender]

He's so annoying. So lame. So boring. Really what a pathetic clown!

His team is setting pace the whole day and he's not even trying to launch an attack. This guys seems to have no acceleration at all. He needs a conductet Tour to the finish.

To compare him to Levi is an insult, even for Levi. Levi at least DID his work for stronger team mates. Levi did put back his own ambitiouns behind the ones of a stronger teammate. Hell, Levi even was a stylish climber once during his career compared to Wiggins.

As someone already mentioned this is the second grand tour Sky might lost, because Wiggins is unable to give away his leadership to a stronger teammate.

But Sir Wiggins as always has something important to say. Slick and polished chandelier.

This guy is no champion at all. A true champion is able to take the reins like Contador or Armstrong. Most farcial TDF winner since Riis.

there is no way to respond to this that wont land a ban

 

[Heckler]

Why would he allow Uran to ride off when he has a gt to win,

I think the reason is twofold; sending Uran ahead (and Henao, on a better day) takes bonus points from the rest of the favorites, also, at this stage, a Uran Plan B for the win has to be a serious thought because it does look like Wiggins, for whatever reason, is not as promising an option as he was before they got on their bikes.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well thats the last time i jump to your defense.

I don't need anyone to defend me.

Walsh did not tweet that - no idea why you brought it up.

 

[bolingbroke]

Was Uran going to tow him up if he stuck around? Because that's the only way he could have helped Wiggo up that climb. They were on a cat 1, not in a velodrome.

 

[Elevation]

there is no way to respond to this that wont land a ban

Don't worry about it. A lot of people don't like non-climbers winning stuff. I can see their point, they're less entertaining to watch as a viewer because they don't attack. But personally I have huge appreciation for the way they hang on in terrain that is not their speciality, and like the idea that the fastest rider in a one-on-one actually gets to win a GT. Indurian used to inspire a similar mix of opinion.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It's quite a common tactic in cycling to send a guy up the road to try to make your opposing team work. Surprised so many people are unfamiliar with this.

It is a common tactic - it works better if you don't leave it until the last 10 k, that there is an actual "opposing team" to work, that they get tired and your team leader then leaves them to take time out of them.

 

[The Hitch]

Don't worry about it. A lot of people don't like non-climbers winning stuff. I can see their point, they're less entertaining to watch as a viewer because they don't attack. But personally I have huge appreciation for the way they hang on in terrain that is not their speciality, and like the idea that the fastest rider in a one-on-one actually gets to win a GT. Indurian used to inspire a similar mix of opinion.

If wiggins is such a bad climber toughing it out on the climbs, how comes he was dropping guys jrod and nibali at will in the 2011 vuelta, how comes he beat all the climbing specialiosts like Nibali, VDB, Pinot in the mountains at the tour last year how comes he posted such an insane vam on verbier a few years back?

 

[willbick]

If wiggins is such a bad climber toughing it out on the climbs, how comes he was dropping guys jrod and nibali at will in the 2011 vuelta, how comes he beat all the climbing specialiosts like Nibali, VDB, Pinot in the mountains at the tour last year how comes he posted such an insane vam on verbier a few years back?

Duh. When he says 'non-climber' he obviously means 'non specialist climber'. Obviously wiggins can climb well, almost as well as the best on his day. But you lot are far too quick to draw conclusions from one stage result or even one GT result. These guys are not robots, the level or their performance is bound to vary day to day, week to week, year to year, depending on lots of factors like their health. Apparently Wiggins has been suffering from a bit of a cold in the last few days. I see no reason to doubt that. Its normal, it hapens to every human

 

[BroDeal]

Duh. When he says 'non-climber' he obviously means 'non specialist climber'. Obviously wiggins can climb well, almost as well as the best on his day. But you lot are far too quick to draw conclusions from one stage result or even one GT result. These guys are not robots, the level or their performance is bound to vary day to day, week to week, year to year, depending on lots of factors like their health. Apparently Wiggins has been suffering from a bit of a cold in the last few days. I see no reason to doubt that. Its normal, it hapens to every human

Whenever I descend like a granny I also blame it on a cold.

 

[staubsauger]

If wiggins is such a bad climber toughing it out on the climbs, how comes he was dropping guys jrod and nibali at will in the 2011 vuelta, how comes he beat all the climbing specialiosts like Nibali, VDB, Pinot in the mountains at the tour last year how comes he posted such an insane vam on verbier a few years back?

Neither Purito or Nibali were in (climbing) shape during that Vuelta. In fact they faded away just a bit harder and earlier than Wiggins.

Pinot is just a young prospect, VDB is more a diesel with a steady tempo not a punchy climbing specialist and Nibali seems to have improved a lot this season. But of course Wiggins isn't a totally bull**** climber, he's just pretty boring to watch.

Still, the Tour route last year was tailor-made for Wiggins. That victory was served up on a silver platter to him by Prudhomme. Put that course elsewhere in between 2007 - 2010 and you could call Leipheimer, Menchov or even VdV a Tour de France champion. In the end Wiggins won that Tour, because his only challenger was within his team and had strictly team orders.

People can't deny the fact that Wiggins is a professional wheelsucker, nothing more. Levi would've been proud to have such a train during his best years. And Levi actually was far more attacking than Wiggins possibly ever will be once up on a time.

That style in the end doesn't make both of them bad climbers. Both have podiumed Grand Tours and Wiggins was made to win one. But seriously people blaming me here for my comments about Wiggins, and Levi was depriciated big here while his riding style was quite the same?

The main-fact why I personally dislike Sir Wiggo is because his external communication is as slippery as an eel and he has no abjection at all. Just look at his provocative, arrogant staments before the Giro. And where he stands now without his babysitter?

 

[willbick]

Whenever I descend like a granny I also blame it on a cold.

yes he also has descended like a granny, as he freely admitted.

 

[willbick]

Whenever I descend like a granny I also blame it on a cold.

that's funny coz wiggins didnt blame his descending on a cold. he freely admitted he descended like a girl

 

[willbick]

Neither Purito or Nibali were in (climbing) shape during that Vuelta. In fact they faded away just a bit harder and earlier than Wiggins.

Pinot is just a young prospect, VDB is more a diesel with a steady tempo not a punchy climbing specialist and Nibali seems to have improved a lot this season. But of course Wiggins isn't a totally bull**** climber, he's just pretty boring to watch.

Still, the Tour route last year was tailor-made for Wiggins. That victory was served up on a silver platter to him by Prudhomme. Put that course elsewhere in between 2007 - 2010 and you could call Leipheimer, Menchov or even VdV a Tour de France champion. In the end Wiggins won that Tour, because his only challenger was within his team and had strictly team orders.

People can't deny the fact that Wiggins is a professional wheelsucker, nothing more. Levi would've been proud to have such a train during his best years. And Levi actually was far more attacking than Wiggins possibly ever will be once up on a time.

That style in the end doesn't make both of them bad climbers. Both have podiumed Grand Tours and Wiggins was made to win one. But seriously people blaming me here for my comments about Wiggins, and Levi was depriciated big here while his riding style was quite the same?

The main-fact why I personally dislike Sir Wiggo is because his external communication is as slippery as an eel and he has no abjection at all. Just look at his provocative, arrogant staments before the Giro. And where he stands now without his babysitter?

wiggins' success is based on ITT prowess. to call him 'nothing more than a pro wheelsucker' is beyond laughable

 

[cineteq]

wiggins' success is based on ITT prowess. to call him 'nothing more than a pro wheelsucker' is beyond laughable

How did he win last year's Tour again? -> power meters + ITT prowess + wheelsucking

Funny thing some posters here dare to say Sir Wiggo is a better climber than Lo Squalo. <--- Now that's beyond laughable.

 

[staubsauger]

wiggins' success is based on ITT prowess. to call him 'nothing more than a pro wheelsucker' is beyond laughable

But that's in fact what all guys on this board were doing with Levi over years!? You get my point? And I called Wiggins a pro-wheelsucker in the mountains. Mainly because he build up a whole train where he could suck + Froomedog as his babysitter.