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Wiggins Discussion thread.

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myrideissteelerthanyours said:
Wigans was decent at PR this year but why is he so overhyped as a "classics" rider? He can compete in PR lets not call him anything but a 2 trick pony (he is a top 5 TT/prologue).

Also does anybody really think he stands a decent chance against the field? Wouldn't he need like a tier 1 classics rider on his team so teams dont chase him?

I don't think he is overhyped at all. A top 10 position means he can do the job. Nothing more. However, if you can do the job, and given the role that luck can play in the classics, is a win out of the question? Absolutely not.

In terms of does he need a tier 1 classics rider? I don't think so. Maybe from a team point of view to hedge their bets, maybe. If it's gonna happen its in the lap of the gods.

Just wish he would quit this worthless track BS!
 
myrideissteelerthanyours said:
Wigans was decent at PR this year but why is he so overhyped as a "classics" rider? He can compete in PR lets not call him anything but a 2 trick pony (he is a top 5 TT/prologue).

Also does anybody really think he stands a decent chance against the field? Wouldn't he need like a tier 1 classics rider on his team so teams dont chase him?

I'm not his biggest fan but he's better than you give him credit for. He worked his **** off to be able to climb at a decent level and win a Tour that was a great route for him.

He also showed in PR this year that he can mix it with the best there and a top 10 has proved he is good enough to be a contender. That's not mentioning his excellent skills on the track
 
Alright, it needs to be said:

Tinkoff (Тинькофф): the bank and the cycling team. Non-standard transliteration system used, for example, by some Russian-speaking immigrants to the US.

Tinkov (Тиньков): the guy. Standard transliteration into English.
 
Pricey_sky said:
I'm not his biggest fan but he's better than you give him credit for. He worked his **** off to be able to climb at a decent level and win a Tour that was a great route for him.

He didn't climb at a decent level he climbed at a world class level. Outclimbed the current TDF champion.

And every rider works their *** off. I don't get why fans so often use "he worked hard" as some sort of a compliment for a rider. What everyone else stays at home and eats hot dogs?

And if what you are trying to say is that he trained for a very long time or something, well in 2009 he had about 2 weeks training before the TDF and still outclimbed a couple of TDF winners, and several TDF podium finishers.
 
The Hitch said:
He didn't climb at a decent level he climbed at a world class level. Outclimbed the current TDF champion.

And every rider works their *** off. I don't get why fans so often use "he worked hard" as some sort of a compliment for a rider. What everyone else stays at home and eats hot dogs?

And if what you are trying to say is that he trained for a very long time or something, well in 2009 he had about 2 weeks training before the TDF and still outclimbed a couple of TDF winners, and several TDF podium finishers.

Well said!

Why does he get so little credit for his achiements on the road with statements like he can't climb and without Froome he'd have never reached the top. Porte did the same for Froome 2013 yet that's never mentioned.

The guy won the 2012 TdF which a lot of guys think was gifted to him, some gift, just ride behind the train and it's yours, yeah right, if it's that easy why do the other team's GC men not get as close to the leader's time?
 
elfed68 said:
Well said!

Why does he get so little credit for his achiements on the road with statements like he can't climb and without Froome he'd have never reached the top. Porte did the same for Froome 2013 yet that's never mentioned.

The guy won the 2012 TdF which a lot of guys think was gifted to him, some gift, just ride behind the train and it's yours, yeah right, if it's that easy why do the other team's GC men not get as close to the leader's time?

I think you may have missed the subtext if you think that was posted in praise of Wiggins.
 
The Hitch said:
He didn't climb at a decent level he climbed at a world class level. Outclimbed the current TDF champion.

And every rider works their *** off. I don't get why fans so often use "he worked hard" as some sort of a compliment for a rider. What everyone else stays at home and eats hot dogs?

And if what you are trying to say is that he trained for a very long time or something, well in 2009 he had about 2 weeks training before the TDF and still outclimbed a couple of TDF winners, and several TDF podium finishers.

Yes perhaps I wasn't giving him the credit he deserved there, he was on a great climbing level.

Do you really think every rider works hard? I don't think it can be said for everyone although most of course do. Also as we know with Wiggins it can one thing training to reach a certain standard but a completely new level for him get into Tour 2012 shape, there's no way he'd be able to do what he did in 09 now for example.
 
Fight.The.Power said:
I don't think he is overhyped at all. A top 10 position means he can do the job. Nothing more. However, if you can do the job, and given the role that luck can play in the classics, is a win out of the question? Absolutely not.

In terms of does he need a tier 1 classics rider? I don't think so. Maybe from a team point of view to hedge their bets, maybe. If it's gonna happen its in the lap of the gods.

Just wish he would quit this worthless track BS!

In a dry and fine sunny PR.

When he does it in similar conditions to what we saw in the Tour, then he can do it.
 
Fight.The.Power said:
I think we can ask that question for many of the top-ten PR riders as we have not had a wet race in years.

True, but then again, we dont have a bunch of people suddenly knocking a mix out saying they are suddenly classic contenders.

Look over the results for the past 4 years. Similar names all in the top 20. I see Wigan appear once, and that was this year. If he does it for the next few season, then I shall say he is a contender.
 
King Of The Wolds said:
Can climb, do long TTs, prologues, win 1 week races, 3 week races, lead out, ride cobbles. I'm not sure there's even another rider in the peloton with such a wide skill set at such an elite level.

'wide skill set' lol. he can put out 400w for a long time. that is his skill. nothing else. which is not to say it isnt a good skill, and its certainly one more high-level skill than most riders have. in many ways he's like a tennis player with a big serve and not a lot else. the Roddick of cycling lol

Sagan is a bike rider. Wiggins is a diesel engine on 2 wheels. i like the guy, but he is what he is
 
willbick said:
'wide skill set' lol. he can put out 400w for a long time. that is his skill. nothing else. which is not to say it isnt a good skill, and its certainly one more high-level skill than most riders have. in many ways he's like a tennis player with a big serve and not a lot else. the Roddick of cycling lol

Sagan is a bike rider. Wiggins is a diesel engine on 2 wheels. i like the guy, but he is what he is

Sagan is a very good Jack of all trades, but master of none.