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Rubbish. Even if you take away what he has achieved on the road, he has won 7 Olympic medals & 7 World titles spread over 13 years (including countless World Records). Hour record as well. He may not go down as one of the great road cyclists (2012 was phenomenal in anyones book) but as a overall cyclist across multiple disciplines he is a true great.
PremierAndrew said:
Rubbish. Even if you take away what he has achieved on the road, he has won 7 Olympic medals & 7 World titles spread over 13 years (including countless World Records). Hour record as well. He may not go down as one of the great road cyclists (2012 was phenomenal in anyones book) but as a overall cyclist across multiple disciplines he is a true great.
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Yes, I think he'll go down as one of the greatest ever track cyclists. To add to that a very successful road career is remarkable.
Richeypen said:
Yes, I think he'll go down as one of the greatest ever track cyclists. To add to that a very successful road career is remarkable.
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Most Tour winners are remembered and then you include his track career. Many riders would like a record comparable to his. Not to mention wins in the Dauphine and other good races. Maybe his style of winning on the road was not that entertaining but he did what he needed to to win. He rode to his strengths like other good TT riders. He will never be confused with Contador or even Froome.
PremierAndrew said:
Most Tour winners are remembered and then you include his track career. Many riders would like a record comparable to his. Not to mention wins in the Dauphine and other good races. Maybe his style of winning on the road was not that entertaining but he did what he needed to to win. He rode to his strengths like other good TT riders. He will never be confused with Contador or even Froome.
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He established himself as a top pursuiter, which allowed him to win medals in the Individual Pursuit, whilst being part of the dominant nation of the era meant he could also convert into medals in the team pursuit. Big achievement? Yes. A mark of a great? Absolutely not.
He is very good at time trialling, and the individual pursuit is just an indoor prologue.
Meanwhile, he did have a great 2012. But once again, the greats dominate for multiple years, not just one. Wiggins has certainly been a very successful cyclist, but he is definitely not one of the greats
Richeypen said:
He established himself as a top pursuiter, which allowed him to win medals in the Individual Pursuit, whilst being part of the dominant nation of the era meant he could also convert into medals in the team pursuit. Big achievement? Yes. A mark of a great? Absolutely not.
He is very good at time trialling, and the individual pursuit is just an indoor prologue.
Meanwhile, he did have a great 2012. But once again, the greats dominate for multiple years, not just one. Wiggins has certainly been a very successful cyclist, but he is definitely not one of the greats
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Eh? Have kind of proved my point. Wiggins has been dominant in whatever discipline he has focused on for the past 13 years. When he focuses on the track he has won World and Olympic Gold. When he focuses on the road he wins Le Tour. When he focuses on TTing he wins Olympic and World Gold. Takes on the Hour Record and smashes it. He can move between disciplines and still be the best in the world.
As I said, not one of the great road cyclists but as a cyclist he is an all time great.
PremierAndrew said:
Eh? Have kind of proved my point. Wiggins has been dominant in whatever discipline he has focused on for the past 13 years. When he focuses on the track he has won World and Olympic Gold. When he focuses on the road he wins Le Tour. When he focuses on TTing he wins Olympic and World Gold. Takes on the Hour Record and smashes it. He can move between disciplines and still be the best in the world.
As I said, not one of the great road cyclists but as a cyclist he is an all time great.
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Who is to say he wouldn't have won the Tour again in 2013 or 2014 or 2015 or 2016? He didn't get the chance so it's a moot point.
So long as he's not going to the 2020 Olympics, I wonder if he'll have another go and aim for the absolute record.
PremierAndrew said:
Who is to say he wouldn't have won the Tour again in 2013 or 2014 or 2015 or 2016? He didn't get the chance so it's a moot point.
Richeypen said:
So long as he's not going to the 2020 Olympics, I wonder if he'll have another go and aim for the absolute record.
Wiggins >>> Indurain in my book, say what you want. What a class. What a range of different skills. What a phenomenon.
There's only Peter Sagan better than him considering his skillset. Still Wiggo is the most successful one.
There's only Peter Sagan better than him considering his skillset. Still Wiggo is the most successful one.
Wiggins has a good palmares on the road, but not a great one. Yeah, Wiggo won the Tour, but the route was a farce and the strongest rider in the race was forced to be his domestique. Him winning the Tour is not a testimony to his varied skill set because the only reason he won it was because of the lack of mountains and the two long time trials. Not to mention that the strongest rider in the race needed to work for him and that the competition was rather weak because Contador was banned and Andy Schleck injured. All in all I rate Wiggo a joke winner of the Tour. It wouldn't surprise me if he bribed ASO to give him a route like that. :lol:
On the road, all his wins were time trials or the overall GC (thanks to his TT skills). That's what I call a one trick pony.
There are quite a few riders out there who have a better palmares than him.
I personally don't care much for track cycling and I certainly don't rate wins like the Team Pursuit that highly. We don't count team time trials as wins in road cycling, why would we do that in track cycling?
For example, if someone asked me how many races GVA won this year I would say 5. I don't count his TTT win in T-A.
On the road, all his wins were time trials or the overall GC (thanks to his TT skills). That's what I call a one trick pony.
There are quite a few riders out there who have a better palmares than him.
I personally don't care much for track cycling and I certainly don't rate wins like the Team Pursuit that highly. We don't count team time trials as wins in road cycling, why would we do that in track cycling?
For example, if someone asked me how many races GVA won this year I would say 5. I don't count his TTT win in T-A.
I remember watching Indurain on the road feeling like I was watching a quiet monster, either on TT bike or in the mountain. He gave you the feeling of hopelessness if you didn't like him. To say Wiggins have such class - or whatever it was....
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Outside of one stage in the Romandie and the British Nats (that no one cares for).
One trick pony. Contador is more versatile than him.
TMP402 said:
Outside of one stage in the Romandie and the British Nats (that no one cares for).
One trick pony. Contador is more versatile than him.
The French were not amused
http://www.france24.com/en/20160813-british-cyclist-wiggins-gets-mouthy
British cyclist Wiggins gets 'mouthy'
... "he suddenly pulled a face that made him look like a gargoyle."
http://www.france24.com/en/20160813-british-cyclist-wiggins-gets-mouthy
British cyclist Wiggins gets 'mouthy'
... "he suddenly pulled a face that made him look like a gargoyle."
5 golds + 1TDF puts him close to the Boonen,Cancellara, Valverde bracket and possibly the greatest transformation ever from track to Road. He is definitely a track great, though not a road great but making the transformation puts him into legendary status. No other person has come that close yet.
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Man, you are so full of ****. The guy wins olympic and world championships in two! different disciplines, wins TdF (as a best all-rounder), does really good in PR, and you claim he is not versatile? Someone who is good just at climbing and decent at TTing isnt even close to a rider who is the best in the world at TTing, track events, very good in the mountains, and can ride cobbles
El Pistolero said:
Man, you are so full of ****. The guy wins olympic and world championships in two! different disciplines, wins TdF (as a best all-rounder), does really good in PR, and you claim he is not versatile? Someone who is good just at climbing and decent at TTing isnt even close to a rider who is the best in the world at TTing, track events, very good in the mountains, and can ride cobbles
Wiggins has had an amazing career. It's indisputable. But did Indurain or Contador ever do this as a Knight of the Realm during their national anthem, when they caught sight of themself on the big screen?
http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/13/some-people-get-upset-about-bradley-wiggins-tongue-wag-during-national-anthem-and-some-people-just-laugh-6065083/
No? Case closed. Wiggins wins. Pure awesome podium performance on so many levels.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/13/some-people-get-upset-about-bradley-wiggins-tongue-wag-during-national-anthem-and-some-people-just-laugh-6065083/
No? Case closed. Wiggins wins. Pure awesome podium performance on so many levels.
He's not everyone favourites rider that's for sure, but he's had a career that most could only dream of.
He's adored by the majority of the British public, the reaction on social media last night was off the chart, even people who have no interest in cycling whatsoever watched the race and cheered him on. he just has that box office quality.
He's adored by the majority of the British public, the reaction on social media last night was off the chart, even people who have no interest in cycling whatsoever watched the race and cheered him on. he just has that box office quality.
Like many of the elite of the elite, he is a spiky person. But you can see the reaction from his team mates that he is adored by them.
Pulling a face, as a Knight, during God Save the Queen, is pure class on so many levels.
Pulling a face, as a Knight, during God Save the Queen, is pure class on so many levels.
Not to mention that he has been one of the most stylish riders to sit on a bike in the last 30 years, especially when TTing.
I don't understand the lack of respect for this guy, what he has done is nothing short of remarkable. To have an oustanding track career, transition to the road, win the tour, a few one week races, a TT world championship, a TT olympic gold and top ten PR, and then move back to the track and win olympic gold is amazing. He might not be the most exciting road cyclist, but pro cyclist will spend their entire lives on the road and never come remotely close to what he achieved in a handful of years.
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Agreed.
Sir Bradley beat Cancellera and Tony Martin at their peak age when he focused in TT.
Won TDF, track events and keep switching among various races.
Richeypen said:
Agreed.
Sir Bradley beat Cancellera and Tony Martin at their peak age when he focused in TT.
Won TDF, track events and keep switching among various races.
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Okay, you are seriously comparing a TTT to a team pursuit Olympic gold.
El Pistolero said:
Okay, you are seriously comparing a TTT to a team pursuit Olympic gold.
Measure it how you want, but Wiggins is the specialist at beating the specialists across disciplines and that is what he should be remembered for. You can pull all the 'single specialists' you like out of the Peloton and find someone who's more impressive within each event and discipline, but there isn't anyone to compare Wiggins beyond that. The nearest would probably be Brad McGee or Stuart O'Grady and they both fall a long way short. No Hour, No World TT, No Tour, No Dauphine, No Paris Nice, No Romandie.
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