Wiggins Discussion thread.

[Miburo]

I know what a wall is. He said Wiggins lacks explosion. My reply was about that. Planche has last 500m with 16% or something. And Wiggins was right there with a Fleche winner.

That was after a climb of 6km.

Different, btw Evans was not great in that tour.

Let him in do that on a climb of 1km average 12% against the likes of purito and Contador. We'll see how far he'll go

Btw Contador should have won the FW evans won, he went too early because he didn't know the muur.

 

[Miburo]

In my view guys most of you vastly overrate explosiveness itself. I sincerely don't know why maybe because you don't like Sky or prefer attacking cycling. Explosiveness really gives some advantage, but after 400-500 meters a rider hits necessity to keep up the same tempo which is possible no matter how strong he is. And in this case a steady climber's advantage starts working. That's the main reason why:
- definetely good explosive climbers like Rodriguez or Cunego so rarely try to make a move induvidually;
- why we see attacks from big pack overly seldom.

I'm sure while being in form Wiggins will defend very strongly.

In 400-500 meters they can gain easily 15 seconds on Wiggins when it's on a 'muur'.

Look at mur de bretagne, and that wasn't even a real 'muur'

 

[airstream]

In 400-500 meters they can gain easily 15 seconds on Wiggins when it's on a 'muur'.

Not against Wiggins of 2012.

Look at mur de bretagne, and that wasn't even a real 'muur'

Well, we are looking a GT situation where Contador and Wiggins can collide right?

Different, btw Evans was not great in that tour.

Yes, because the others were too good. Or they are doomed to suck when Evans is great according to some invisible class division lol?

Look at mur de bretagne, and that wasn't even a real 'muur'

Even Andreas Kloden held on back then. He is one of few climbers for who always have catastrophic trouble with steepness. Rather this year's Wiggins would have sprinted against Contador at Mur-de-Bretagne

In general our talks hit one problem. I tell about riders, you tell about names. Riders =/= names. Nobody is going to compare Contador and Wiggins in terms of palmares, contribution into the sport and role in cycling, but to declare others by far weaker because of that as you adore to do is just laughable.

 

[movingtarget]

That was after a climb of 6km.

Different, btw Evans was not great in that tour.

Let him in do that on a climb of 1km average 12% against the likes of purito and Contador. We'll see how far he'll go

Btw Contador should have won the FW evans won, he went too early because he didn't know the muur.

Evans loves those climbs. His margin in the Fleche was huge. If Contador is serious he should ride more one day races. I don't think the result would have been different as Evans has proved plenty of times that he can sprint on those finishes and sprinting is not really one of Contador's strengths unless it's on a mountain with a km to go.

 

[Miburo]

Evans loves those climbs. His margin in the Fleche was huge. If Contador is serious he should ride more one day races. I don't think the result would have been different as Evans has proved plenty of times that he can sprint on those finishes and sprinting is not really one of Contador's strengths unless it's on a mountain with a km to go.

Huge? Contador was pretty much standing still in the last 150 meters. That's the only reason into why he lost.

His first classic in 3 years and he almost wins it. Anyway classics is always somehow a gamble while winning a GT or a stage race is pretty much gonna happen with Contador.

 

[Joachim]

Basso hails Wiggins as "a Champion"

Not new, but thanks to thehog for drawing my attention to this article full of praise for Wiggins:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/07/news/basso-its-useless-to-try-to-stop-sky_230769

“I don’t judge Sky for just what they did this spring,” Basso told VeloNews. “For me, what they did at the Vuelta was incredible. Wiggins pulled off a miracle: crashed at the Tour, broke his collarbone and went strongly there. Only a champion can do that. You understand? They showed that they can handle three weeks, they have the ability to manage a race. Then, don’t forget, there are still 53 kilometers [of time trialing] to race here!”

 

[Joachim]

Oh look. A thread I started has been buried as a post in a long thread. What a surprise.

 

[Alphabet]

What they did at the Vuelta was incredible. Wiggins pulled off a miracle.... Only a champion can do that. You understand?

That's just so ambiguous. What one perceives as admiration and respect, another could see it as loaded with Clinic references.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

That's just so ambiguous. What one perceives as admiration and respect, another could see it as loaded with Clinic references.

Yes, you have to decode the whole statement to find out what he really means.

 

[Joachim]

Not really, if he'd wanted to put a negative spin on it he'd have used the word 'assurdo' instead.

It really helps if you speak Italian. Then you don't have to 'decode' anything

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Not really, if he'd wanted to put a negative spin on it he'd have used the word 'assurdo' instead.

It reallys if you speak Italian. Then you don't have to 'decode' anything

Do not tae all the fun out of this please

 

[Joachim]

Sorry...

 

[Alphabet]

It really helps if you speak Italian. Then you don't have to 'decode' anything

That, and if there was a video of the interview. You could tell from his facial features, I guess, if he was being sincere or secretly poking fun.

 

[airstream]

Huge? Contador was pretty much standing still in the last 150 meters. That's the only reason into why he lost.

His first classic in 3 years and he almost wins it. Anyway classics is always somehow a gamble while winning a GT or a stage race is pretty much gonna happen with Contador.

LOL, there is zero gamble at FV. Absence of gambling, elementaty tactic plot, pure power. One can or can not.

Who cares? The 'only' reason covers up many others.

 

[Miburo]

LOL, there is zero gamble at FV. Absence of gambling, elementaty tactic plot, pure power. One can or can not.

Who cares? The 'only' reason covers up many others.

Like that 2010 was his worst form in the last 5 years

 

[airstream]

Like that 2010 was his worst form in the last 5 years

It is completely his problem. Anyway you are free to complain to him personally about that.

Happy new year, guys. I wish everyone that my prediction not to come true and Froome will not win the Tour. Andy should win this race.

 

[Netserk]

LOL, there is zero gamble at FV. Absence of gambling, elementaty tactic plot, pure power. One can or can not.

Who cares? The 'only' reason covers up many others.

Major :facepalm:

Do you remember how different Evans raced it in '08 compared to '10?

 

[airstream]

Major :facepalm:

Do you remember how different Evans raced it in '08 compared to '10?

Of course. And what? Saving energy for the last ramp is a key to success? No. It can be won differently. But the plot is primitive. And to say that Contador lost because of lesser experience is laughable. He lost because he was weaker and he is generally weaker than Evans in this excercise.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Of course. And what? Saving energy for the last ramp is a key to success? No. It can be won differently. But the plot is primitive. And to say that Contador lost because of lesser experience is laughable. He lost because he was weaker and he is generally weaker than Evans in this excercise.

Everyone knows Alberto lost because he went too early.

 

[airstream]

Everyone knows Alberto lost because he went too early.

It is not obvious. Gilbert went 'too early' in 2011 too. It is called retroactive thinking. Anyone can give advice when the race ended. Recommend before the race something and then you will be able to operate with it as a real thing, otherwise it is wheeze. Evans was better period

 

[Carols]

Thought I was in the Wiggans thread, but come to find Airstream bashing Contador...hummm. Shocked = Not.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Thought I was in the Wiggans thread, but come to find Airstream bashing Contador...hummm. Shocked = Not.

Haha

when will wiggins get knighetd?

 

[Panda Claws]

Contador is getting bashed here, because people are really taking it to extremes with the excuses here.

Is it that hard to admit that Contador was beaten by a superior Evans in FW 2010. Perhaps Contador had a very small physical edge, but on the tactical side of things he rode about as well as a cucumber compared to Evans.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Contador is getting bashed here, because people are really taking it to extremes with the excuses here.

Is it that hard to admit that Contador was beaten by a superior Evans in FW 2010. Perhaps Contador had a very small physical edge, but on the tactical side of things he rode about as well as a cucumber compared to Evans.

Yup, AC was beaten by Evans fair and square, physically or tacticaly doesn't really matter

 

[airstream]

Bashing? The talk is about different visions on the same episode.