Wiggins Discussion thread.

[King Boonen]

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Nice to see polite, reasoned discussion. Of course, if you don't have a point to make then insults always work.

 

[cineteq]

Remove the 3 TTs from 2012 TDF and Wiggins still wins....

How? Please elaborate. In the meantime, I'll seat back and relax.

 

[pastronef]

No matter how Wiggins had performed in the Giro, in forum eyes he would anyways have been wrong. If Wiggins had smashed the Giro, it would entail another boost in the clinics; if he would have won with a small margin, it would have handled very critically too. Wiggins loses the Giro, but for many people he is wrong even when he loses. To be sure! This rider is not entitled to say he would try to do the Giro-Tour double, because in CN mega experts opinion, he is not legitimate GC man. The last one is rationally explained in no way, but that's the case.


I don't consider Wiggins arrogant whatsoever. Rather he is just not very social man who got used to the only thing he can do properly - to the job. He doesn't like people too much generally, because he dislikes ill-wishers like many of you. And I understand him very well.

spot on comment

 

[Eshnar]

Ryo, insults are not allowed....
Wait, you should know already.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Remove the 3 TTs from 2012 TDF and Wiggins still wins....

Only on paper. If you had taken the time trials out then Nibali could have attacked much later in the stages rather than wasting energy with fruitless long range attacks. No way would Wiggins have beaten Nibali under such circumstances.

 

[virandociclista]

No matter how Wiggins had performed in the Giro, in forum eyes he would anyways have been wrong. If Wiggins had smashed the Giro, it would entail another boost in the clinics; if he would have won with a small margin, it would have handled very critically too. Wiggins loses the Giro, but for many people he is wrong even when he loses. To be sure! This rider is not entitled to say he would try to do the Giro-Tour double, because in CN mega experts opinion, he is not legitimate GC man. The last one is rationally explained in no way, but that's the case.


I don't consider Wiggins arrogant whatsoever. Rather he is just not very social man who got used to the only thing he can do properly - to the job. He doesn't like people too much generally, because he dislikes ill-wishers like many of you. And I understand him very well.

Hm. I think you are right!

 

[dhawk97]

I'd absolutely LOVE to see all the people on here criticising Wiggins ride a GT. How many of you could come 4th in the Giro? Alright, you may not like him and I know he is pro, but surely give him a BIT of credit? You definitely can't knock the effort yesterday. His Giro is over, time to move on.......dogs with bones.

 

[cineteq]

Only on paper. If you had taken the time trials out then Nibali could have attacked much later in the stages rather than wasting energy with fruitless long range attacks. No way would Wiggins have beaten Nibali under such circumstances.

Exactly, remove the ITTs and you got a completely different outcome. Maybe Froome would have been the knight.

 

[Panda Claws]

Only on paper. If you had taken the time trials out then Nibali could have attacked much later in the stages rather than wasting energy with fruitless long range attacks. No way would Wiggins have beaten Nibali under such circumstances.

Didn't Wiggo drop Nibali too on some stages?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Remove the 3 TTs from 2012 TDF and Wiggins still wins....

remove froome's stupid crash that sky didn't wait for and he would've won the tour

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Ryo, insults are not allowed....
Wait, you should know already.

that's not insulting. it's the painful truth

 

[Eshnar]

that's not insulting. it's the painful truth

You can't post that.
That's the painful truth.

 

[Flamin]

this thread is soon becoming one like Contador's: it's best not to read it.

 

[dhawk97]

that's not insulting. it's the painful truth

Internet hardman alert guys, watch out!!

 

[Panda Claws]

no it doesn't ugh. I wish I could violate the tos here for expressing how incredible stupid the things are I read. pls count to me how many flat itt kilometers are in the giro from now on

huh? What does that have to do with anything xD

I thought we were talking about how Wiggins (TT being his strength) could only hope to win a stage race with a Time Trial in it. That does not mean he is supposed to win every single stage race with a TT in it.

 

[taiwan]

I'd absolutely LOVE to see all the people on here criticising Wiggins ride a GT. How many of you could come 4th in the Giro? Alright, you may not like him and I know he is pro, but surely give him a BIT of credit? You definitely can't knock the effort yesterday. His Giro is over, time to move on.......dogs with bones.

Ok guys, stop criticising riders who are better than you. Got it? /forum

 

[Ripper]

its amazing how u guys can work out a persons character and hidden motivations from one little quote. you should be working for the secret services or something

To be fair, Wiggo has a long history of quotes of which to develop a sense of character.

 

[Ripper]

huh? What does that have to do with anything xD

I thought we were talking about how Wiggins (TT being his strength) could only hope to win a stage race with a Time Trial in it. That does not mean he is supposed to win every single stage race with a TT in it.

Nope.

Just the races in which he was better prepared.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Only on paper. If you had taken the time trials out then Nibali could have attacked much later in the stages rather than wasting energy with fruitless long range attacks. No way would Wiggins have beaten Nibali under such circumstances.

I think you are forgetting the main point here. Rain and downhill combination make Wiggins descend the GC. There was no such thing at the TDF.

 

[maxmartin]

Wiggins now claimed he was sick, that was why he lost time.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/illness-forces-wiggins-on-the-defensive-at-the-giro-ditalia

 

[jens_attacks]

it is possible. if it's true ,hopefully he will bounce back

 

[Bobby G]

Wiggins now claimed he was sick, that was why he lost time.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/illness-forces-wiggins-on-the-defensive-at-the-giro-ditalia

Fair enough, state that you are ill. But two things strike being as being a little off. Firstly, was it he or Brailsford who jumped down a journos throat for asking if Wiggo had the same illness as Cataldo a few days ago? Secondly, he hasn't just stated he is ill, the valedictory sentence regarding the Tour de Picardie implies that the illness is the sole reason, or certainly chief reason, for his time loss. The arrogance of the man is starting to P me off again.

 

[maxmartin]

Fair enough, state that you are ill. But two things strike being as being a little off. Firstly, was it he or Brailsford who jumped down a journos throat for asking if Wiggo had the same illness as Cataldo a few days ago? Secondly, he hasn't just stated he is ill, the valedictory sentence regarding the Tour de Picardie implies that the illness is the sole reason, or certainly chief reason, for his time loss. The arrogance of the man is starting to P me off again.

Yep same man claimed he was in the best climb condition ever just a few days ago, either way lair, lair, pants on fire.

 

[airstream]

Calm down this anti Wiggins maniac someone pls. He is taking a risk not to live till the end of the Giro from surplus of emotions.

One more point. Wiggins is wrong again because unlike anyone he is not entitles to be ill.

 

[Jelantik]

Wiggins is ill just like anyone who live on earth. That's probably the reason of lack cluster result so far. Someone's articles suggested last year when wiggins came in to TDF with super skinny body after loosing weight, that he might be in trouble when the weather got cold or rain. Last year it didn't happen at the TDF. Or maybe it did, but he was masked by his team strength, who knows.

Well maybe because he is too skinny now, he is prone to get sick when weather is so faulty like the first week. Sky has been spending so much time in sunny tenerife and comes giro the weather so far has been hot and cold, rain a lot. It probably took a toll on his skinny body. Nibali and Evan should be careful not to get sick. I suspect hesjedal is hit with the same problem, he just probably doesn't realize it.

For someone sick, wiggins is not bad to loose only 2 minutes. But I think he did great in managing his health problem and just loosing 2 minutes. Eventually when you sick you'll come out of it. So, he'll be dangerous in the last week, if he gets healthy in time. **disclaimer I'm no wiggins supporter either and maybe more in the side of don't like wiggin that much**