Wiggins Discussion thread.

[Kwibus]

Try pulling your head out of Wiggins' *** you pompous blowhard. That there would be an exceptional feat.

To be honest Appolonius is right. You totally missed the context.
He meant us as cycling fans. It would've been a lot more fun if Wiggins would've been challenged for us fans.
I have no idea what this has to do with Appolo his head being in Wiggins ***. Maybe his head is, but this post was perfectly normal.

 

[Kwibus]

Being in front of your group isn't the same is riding on the front.

True, but Evans still had to pull the entire climb alone. Wiggins only bridged a small gap to Nibali.
Evans gave me a better feeling last year then Wiggins does this year.
Wiggins will win this Tour and he deserves it, but the fight for the GC has been incredibly boring. Not Wiggins his fault though.

 

[kjetilraknerud]

True, but Evans still had to pull the entire climb alone. Wiggins only bridged a small gap to Nibali.
Evans gave me a better feeling last year then Wiggins does this year.
Wiggins will win this Tour and he deserves it, but the fight for the GC has been incredibly boring. Not Wiggins his fault though.

Agreed.

char.

 

[Machu Picchu]

True, but Evans still had to pull the entire climb alone. Wiggins only bridged a small gap to Nibali.
Evans gave me a better feeling last year then Wiggins does this year.
Wiggins will win this Tour and he deserves it, but the fight for the GC has been incredibly boring. Not Wiggins his fault though.

True, Nibali has tried, Evans & VDB even made an effort but in the end sky have been far too clinical in the way they've prepared and rode this tour.

 

[cineteq]

If he drops them all tomorrow I'll be happy, he will have shown himself the strongest not just the best ITTer who got escorted around by the Strongest Team.

Hope your words come true.

Froome: "We knew Nibali wasn't going anywhere"
Wiggins: "You shouldn't underestimate Nibbles"

Some Karma might be on its way today, I'm expecting either Froome or Wiggins to crack today.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Hope your words come true.

Some Karma might be on its way today, I'm expecting either Froome or Wiggins to crack today.

You really think so?

 

[Angliru]

To be honest Appolonius is right. You totally missed the context.
He meant us as cycling fans. It would've been a lot more fun if Wiggins would've been challenged for us fans.
I have no idea what this has to do with Appolo his head being in Wiggins ***. Maybe his head is, but this post was perfectly normal.

My sincere apologies to Appolonius. My post was uncalled for. I posted too hastily and then responded with the same level of anger/aggression in a situation of my own making. Once again, Appolonius, my apologies.

 

[Richeypen]

So best TTer and second best climber in the tour. Who would have thought that in 2010?

 

[Bavarianrider]

What a disgrace tis guy is for British sportsmanship. he's the winner, but'll never be a champion.

 

[Richeypen]

Wiggins 7-0 in ITTs head to head with Martin this year

 

[Bavarianrider]

Wiggins 7-0 in ITTs head to head with Martin this year

I appriciate his performance, but i hat is charakter. had he just let Froom rode today. But no, what a ****ing fraud this guy is.

 

[Red Rick]

What a disgrace tis guy is for British sportsmanship. he's the winner, but'll never be a champion.

infinite +! The guy is a moron, an idiot and a fool combined, he only wins this Tour because the strongest guy is his teammate and the DS wants Wiggins to win. Such a shame froome doesn't have Contador's attitude about listening to the DS when being the best man in the race

 

[Magnus]

Has anyone realized that were it not for the great Cancellara, Wiggins would have also won the prologue and been in yellow from the start to the finish?

This is why the course blows.

What kind of route would have changed that Sky is the strongest team and that Sky rides for Wiggins?

 

[LaFlorecita]

I agree +10000 Bavarian rider

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

What kind of route would have changed that Sky is the strongest team and that Sky rides for Wiggins?

A route which didn't include any climbing or time trialling presumably.

 

[maxmartin]

Has anyone realized that were it not for the great Cancellara, Wiggins would have also won the prologue and been in yellow from the start to the finish?

This is why the course blows.

haha thanks for reminding me that, if that was true, that could be the biggest legend or the biggest fraud in the Tour history.

Is that why he is intentionally slow in the first half of prologue?

 

[rhubroma]

What kind of route would have changed that Sky is the strongest team and that Sky rides for Wiggins?

You are kidding right?

Serious mountains. If this Tour had been designed correctly it would have had a third MTF at least and finished on top of some prooven race makers: Luc Ardiden, Alpe d'Huez, etc.

I'm fine with all the time trialing, but the mountains weren't up to snuff. Period. I think we can all agree on this. A pure time trialist is a poor winner on a course that doesn't make his climbing weaknesses an issue.

Had Foome not puncured the race might have turned out differently. Had Froome not punctured and been on another team, he wins. Thus the strongest rider hasn't won the race, which is always a shame.

At any rate had this been a better route with more serious mountain courses, Sky would have changed tactics, or else we would have witnessed the embarassment of Froome waiting for his leader on more than one stage.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Is that why he is intentionally slow in the first half of prologue?

That day I did wonder if he soft pedaled a little in the first half to have someone else have to boss the field for the first week.

 

[Apollonius]

You are kidding right?

Serious mountains. If this Tour had been designed correctly it would have had a third MTF at least and finished on top of some prooven race makers: Luc Ardiden, Alpe d'Huez, etc.

I'm fine with all the time trialing, but the mountains weren't up to snuff. Period. I think we can all agree on this. A pure time trialist is a poor winner on a course that doesn't make his climbing weaknesses an issue.

Had Foome not puncured the race might have turned out differently. Had Froome not punctured and been on another team, he wins. Thus the strongest rider hasn't won the race, which is always a shame.

At any rate had this been a better route with more serious mountain courses, Sky would have changed tactics, or else we would have witnessed the embarassment of Froome waiting for his leader on more than one stage.

What climbing weakness?

The course would have been better IMO, more mountain top finishes would have livened up the show and some of the flats were dire but the failing of the course is also related to the failing of Nibali and Evans to provide any competition to Sky in this tour.
Hopefully next year the course will be more exciting with a better spread of talent, however Wiggins deserved this tour win - he took full advantage of a unique set of circumstances and brought home the goods aided of course by his team but nothing new there, nobody win Le Tour alone.

 

[maxmartin]

That day I did wonder if he soft pedaled a little in the first half to have someone else have to boss the field for the first week.

it is very possible if he did take yellow from the beginning, and defend it like a piece of cake, with his whole team (except Cav) riding in front of the peloton day in and day out for the whole three weeks. That is just absurd!!! Even an idiot will wonder how this could happen.

 

[Carols]

Had Foome not puncured the race might have turned out differently. Had Froome not punctured and been on another team, he wins. Thus the strongest rider hasn't won the race, which is always a shame.

At any rate had this been a better route with more serious mountain courses, Sky would have changed tactics, or else we would have witnessed the embarassment of Froome waiting for his leader on more than one stage.

I've already seen Froome waiting on more than 1 stage, 2 at least. Alas the strongest man will Not win this Tour

 

[rhubroma]

What climbing weakness?

The course would have been better IMO, more mountain top finishes would have livened up the show and some of the flats were dire but the failing of the course is also related to the failing of Nibali and Evans to provide any competition to Sky in this tour.
Hopefully next year the course will be more exciting with a better spread of talent, however Wiggins deserved this tour win - he took full advantage of a unique set of circumstances and brought home the goods aided of course by his team but nothing new there, nobody win Le Tour alone.

It was both: weak competition and weak course. But I was talking about the course. No Wiggins doesn't deserve this Tour win, and should be paying for Froome's vacations for at least the next decade.

And no, with more mountains, the course would have been infinitely better and probably the team would not have been able to deny Froome as it did because of this particular par cours.

What climbing weaknesses? Were you watching another event today and before today?

 

[Apollonius]

It was both: weak competition and weak course. But I was talking about the course. No Wiggins doesn't deserve this Tour win, and should be paying for Froome's vacations for at least the next decade.

And no, with more mountains, the course would have been infinitely better and probably the team would not have been able to deny Froome as it did because of this particular par cours.

Why doesn't he deserve it? Nobody has challenged him. All this talk of Froome is a moot issue - he never had the balls to ride away, I suspect he knew he wouldn't have the legs to build up any kind of a lead.

Soooo, who does deserve the win? Not Wiggins you say, Froome doesn't as he never had the fortitude to go out and race, Nibali never mounted a single decent attack and Cadel showed his age and produced nothing.
Maybe we should just pick a winner at random?

 

[Magnus]

You are kidding right?

Serious mountains. If this Tour had been designed correctly it would have had a third MTF at least and finished on top of some prooven race makers: Luc Ardiden, Alpe d'Huez, etc.

I'm fine with all the time trialing, but the mountains weren't up to snuff. Period. I think we can all agree on this. A pure time trialist is a poor winner on a course that doesn't make his climbing weaknesses an issue.

Had Foome not puncured the race might have turned out differently. Had Froome not punctured and been on another team, he wins. Thus the strongest rider hasn't won the race, which is always a shame.

At any rate had this been a better route with more serious mountain courses, Sky would have changed tactics, or else we would have witnessed the embarassment of Froome waiting for his leader on more than one stage.

No I'm not kidding. There have been serious mountains in this TdF. Maybe not as many as last year but there have been 3 big mountain stages. What makes you think that Sky would change tactics on a hypothetical 4th or 5th mountainstage? Look at the GC for the top ten riders based on stage 7, 8, 11, 16 and 17:

Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 00:00:00
Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 00:00:04
Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 00:00:27
Pierre Rolland (Fra) Team Europcar 00:02:36
Jurgen Van Den Broeck (Bel) Lotto Belisol Team 00:02:59
Thibaut Pinot (Fra) FDJ-Big Mat 00:03:53
Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Astana Pro Team 00:06:18
Tejay Van Garderen (USA) BMC Racing Team 00:07:08
Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Spa) RadioShack-Nissan 00:07:38
Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 00:08:08

Who is it that miraculously would have been become better than Sky? Wiggins and Froome have bested the other contenders in basically any type of mountain stage that the TdF has on offer.

 

[rhubroma]

Why doesn't he deserve it? Nobody has challenged him. All this talk of Froome is a moot issue - he never had the balls to ride away, I suspect he knew he wouldn't have the legs to build up any kind of a lead.

Soooo, who does deserve the win? Not Wiggins you say, Froome doesn't as he never had the fortitude to go out and race, Nibali never mounted a single decent attack and Cadel showed his age and produced nothing.
Maybe we should just pick a winner at random?

It has nothing to do with "balls" but team orders. Bar those and his flat tire, he would have won by at least 2 minutes, maybe 3.

You're talking as if the guy had a choice. He didn't. He was held back. He was not allowed to express his potential, which would have dropped Wiggins on more than one occasion in the mountains, even these dreadful mountains, to say nothing of serious mountains.

Froome was simply the best man in this race, but was not permitted to be so because it was much better for Sky during this London Olympic year to have Wiggins in yellow. Business won, the Tour lost.