jamesmasters said:If that is a clinic reference then you have to ask: why doesn't Contador get the same level of hate?
No its about what he says in the press. eg the comment that Garmin is the cycling equivalent of Wigan athletic. I dont think im being particularly unfair against wiggins to consider that a really jerk thing to say. Nor am i the only one considering his name on here was "Wigans" for about a year afterwards.Eshnar said:it's about their riding styles, not about clinic (because, I remind you all, clinic stuff is forbidden here *warning look*)![]()
cineteq said:Are you brainwashing yourself with this? You'll have until the Giro to wake up.![]()
JimmyFingers said:I'm not sure about climber, but I reckon Wiggins is the better descender...after today.
Actually I am sure about climber, Wiggins too.
JimmyFingers said:Was jokes, but thought Wiggins showed some skills today for someone who isn't supposed to be a good descender. Should be a good bike handler from his days riding Madison.
We've seen on Sunday what Nibali can do in such conditions.The Hitch said:To paraphrase a well known saying from a sport i know you like to watch - yes but can he do it on a cold wet day in Stelvio![]()
I think it was about Wiggoserfla said:We've seen on Sunday what Nibali can do in such conditions.
jaylew said:This is really hard. I'd like a 3rd option, for "about equal"
Looking at the GTs they've targeted over the last 3 years:
Last year at the Tour their climbing was really close. I think less than 30 secs separated them in the mountains. Nibs was forced to attack and Wiggins had a strong teammate and was able to stay in his comfort zone but still, an edge to Wiggo.
In 2011, Nibali focused on the Giro and finished 3rd (or 2nd) and was strong on the climbs for the most part but everyone had at least one slightly "off" day on that brutal parcours. I have a really hard time imagining Wiggins hanging with Nibali there.
Wiggins crashed out of the Tour in stage 7 and went to the Vuelta where he was upstaged by his teammate but still finished 3rd. He wasn't always with the top guys but he was clearly better than Nibali (7th) who was never quite there. Maybe he hadn't recovered from that horrible Giro as most of the other guys who were there struggled as well.
In 2010, Nibs did the Giro/Vuelta thing finishing 3rd and 1st and climbing well. Wiggins struggled with his climbing at the Tour and wasn't in the mix.
*push*
cineteq said:There you go. You seem to be the only soul here with some common sense. Although, the quiet voters are seeing the truth.
Miburo said:You prob still believe in Gesink, why?![]()
cineteq said:You #failed brother. What same advantage, are you serious? Nibali is not used to trains. Sir Wiggo trains with a train, that's all he does. He not capable of doing changes of rhythm, or climbing head to head with Nibali from the bottom.
TANK91 said:Im no cycling expert but wow I never new nibali was so explosive
Im pretty sure riding at a constant pace suits Nibali far more than many others , lol he had an armchair ride and still failed in many stage's v Wiggo in the Tour.
cineteq said:You #failed brother. What same advantage, are you serious? Nibali is not used to trains. Sir Wiggo trains with a train, that's all he does. He not capable of doing changes of rhythm, or climbing head to head with Nibali from the bottom.
If descending is the only thing Nibali can objectively bet on in the Giro, I tend to agree with that.Netserk said:Grappa was a mountain solo in a GT.
Superelite climber. Other one doesn't win the Tour.Jelantik said:So I can't really see his skill in the climb (other than riding consistently high pace)
Giro threadAfrank said:What do you mean? I haven't voted yet.
Contador demonstrates the most understandable cycling. It is easier to support Contador, because everyday one can say something like 'Look back at Etna and Verbier and don't laugh me'. He has many young fans. Young fan = very emotional fans. And most of these fans would vote against Sky in any poll. Because Sky as the main counterforce is a contemptible team since recently. And I'm absolutely sure, if Nibali had been a main counterforce, he would have got the same attitude and all possible sins would have been remembered: wheelsucker, weak time trialist and so on.jamesmasters said:If that is a clinic reference then you have to ask: why doesn't Contador get the same level of hate?
airstream said:Contador demonstrates the most understandable cycling. It is easier to support Contador, because everyday one can say something like 'Look back at Etna and Verbier and don't laugh me'. He has many young fans. Young fan = very emotional fans. And most of these fans would vote against Sky in any poll. Because Sky as the main counterforce is a contemptible team since recently. And I'm absolutely sure, if Nibali had been a main counterforce, he would have got the same attidute and all possible sins would have been remembered: wheelsucker, weak time trialist and so on.
Arrogance is the last point one can operate with, comparing these 2. Сlapping other's cheek in overly arrogant and saying 'I'll gain a lot of time over Evans' too.
One theory is circulated over there in these latter days. Allegedly Contador rides and attacks with heart whereas Sky ride by calculations and srms. It is false. More precisely, it is rather false than true. Contador defended a lot in his career and he doesn't do anything in vain. He attacks not in order just to attack [heart, as many people call it]. He attacks because he still thinks he is by far the strongest climber. Yes, I'm saying 'by far' since otherwise he wouldn't have attacked at Prati di Tivo, but he has been punished by Sky in this season so far. So it is a very strong thrust for many fans.
El Pistolero said:You can count Bradley Wiggins' attacks on one hand. Try for yourself.
That's why people here like Contador more.
The Hitch said:No its about what he says in the press. eg the comment that Garmin is the cycling equivalent of Wigan athletic. I dont think im being particularly unfair against wiggins to consider that a really jerk thing to say. Nor am i the only one considering his name on here was "Wigans" for about a year afterwards.
Same way the Schlecks get a lot of negative press for what they said about Sastres tdf victory, or Lance for saying Sastre and VDV didnt earn their places in the 2008 tdf, or cancellara a little bit for some of his behaviour in 2010 and 2011.
airstream said:Time changes. I think everyone who got interested in the sport in 2011 and later would prefer Sky to Contador and with good reason.
Dazed and Confused said:well, for me its almost entirely down to style and panache. I don't mind colorful and controversial statements off the bike as long as its not whining about parcours, weather etc.