Wiggins vs Nibali, Who is the Best Climber in a GT?

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Who is the Best Climber in a GT?

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airstream

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Mano to Mano Nibali will do a schoolboy attack and open a 50-100 meter gap by extreme effort. Wiggins will handle this stoically with smirk and turn on a TT mode. Wiggins will let Nibali forge generously then it will bother him, he will set a bit heavier gears, catch Nibali in a few circles of pedal and drop him. The train in this case in exceptionally tactic building which give more garanties. Harping on Wiggins is weak without train is a whim — reluctance to convince the rider one dislikes as a superb climber.
 
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The Hitch said:
It most definately is not a clinic reference or half the peloton would be hated and none of these people would watch cycling.


No its about what he says in the press. eg the comment that Garmin is the cycling equivalent of Wigan athletic. I dont think im being particularly unfair against wiggins to consider that a really jerk thing to say. Nor am i the only one considering his name on here was "Wigans" for about a year afterwards.

Same way the Schlecks get a lot of negative press for what they said about Sastres tdf victory, or Lance for saying Sastre and VDV didnt earn their places in the 2008 tdf, or cancellara a little bit for some of his behaviour in 2010 and 2011.
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I agree with your sentiment that people don't like Wiggins because in many ways he's a bit of a d**k - it's obviously much easier to warm to Contador than Wiggins (and I like both of them!).

But. As you point out he used to be a pitiful joke figure on this forum (especially after 2010 tour). And if we're being absolutely honest a lot of posters have had a bit of egg on their face over the last year about their rating of his prospects. While I'm not saying this is why people hate Wiggins, I can't believe it isn't a contributory factor to the visceral abuse he seems to get! Just saying. . .
 
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From what I remeber of the 2009 tour, while Nibali may have taken time out of Wiggins on some of the climbs it was generally just seconds at the end, however he did more wheel sucking than Wiggins, who did most of the pulling when Contador and the Schlecks got ahead. I think his big gain was when he descended with Armstrong and Kloden.
 
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jaylew said:
This is really hard. I'd like a 3rd option, for "about equal"
Looking at the GTs they've targeted over the last 3 years:

Last year at the Tour their climbing was really close. I think less than 30 secs separated them in the mountains. Nibs was forced to attack and Wiggins had a strong teammate and was able to stay in his comfort zone but still, an edge to Wiggo.

In 2011, Nibali focused on the Giro and finished 3rd (or 2nd:eek:) and was strong on the climbs for the most part but everyone had at least one slightly "off" day on that brutal parcours. I have a really hard time imagining Wiggins hanging with Nibali there.

Wiggins crashed out of the Tour in stage 7 and went to the Vuelta where he was upstaged by his teammate but still finished 3rd. He wasn't always with the top guys but he was clearly better than Nibali (7th) who was never quite there. Maybe he hadn't recovered from that horrible Giro as most of the other guys who were there struggled as well.

In 2010, Nibs did the Giro/Vuelta thing finishing 3rd and 1st and climbing well. Wiggins struggled with his climbing at the Tour and wasn't in the mix.

*push*
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I agree with this pretty much, and the other poster who said they're both slightly below the truly top tier climbers Contador, Froome, and a fit Schleck.

Looking forward to the Giro, it should be good!
 
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A tough race in May is << than a broken collarbone in July.

Let's cut that excuse. A hard Giro is a reasonable excuse for a crap Tour, but not a crap Vuelta.

As the Hitch pointed out seconds taken by Nibali in GT mountain stages in last two years = 0.

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airstream said:
Mano to Mano Nibali will do a schoolboy attack and open a 50-100 meter gap by extreme effort. Wiggins will handle this stoically with smirk and turn on a TT mode. Wiggins will let Nibali forge generously then it will bother him, he will set a bit heavier gears, catch Nibali in a few circles of pedal and drop him. The train in this case in exceptionally tactic building which give more garanties. Harping on Wiggins is weak without train is a whim — reluctance to convince the rider one dislikes as a superb climber.
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Funny how your love for Contador made you fall in love with Team SKY.

It is kinda endearing. Like a little kid loosing his best friend and thus becoming friends with his former friends enemy. Endearing.

Please, Airstream, this is getting a bit ridiculous.

To some standards here der Toni Rominger was also a hell of a climber :D
A tough race in May is << than a broken collarbone in July.

Let's cut that excuse. A hard Giro is a reasonable excuse for a crap Tour, but not a crap Vuelta.

As the Hitch pointed out seconds taken by Nibali in GT mountain stages in last two years = 0.

Next.
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So, Giro 2010 does not count? Because it does not suite your story?

Next.
 
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I have yet to see a single forum were the majority of the people like Sky. All the cycling forums I've seen(different languages) hate them and accuse them of doping lol. Not sure why you think they are liked. Besides the British fans of course, who've only been in the sport since their riders started performing lol.

Sky wasn't even good in 2011 anyway. Not until the Vuelta at least. We're they messed up their tactics.
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This poses the question: do people think they dope and so dislike them, or dislike them so think they dope?
 
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
So, Giro 2010 does not count? Because it does not suite your story?
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Might as well be 2000, I'm also ignoring 2009 where it was pretty even.

I like Nibali, but he is a GT diesel and Wiggo has a bigger engine. It doesn't really seem that there is much to argue about there.

Now - who will do best in LBL if they both race to win, that is an interesting debate...
 
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JimmyFingers said:
He bought it up, I was trying to point out how's people's prejudice and bias lead them to certain conclusions
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Wasn't accusing. Just trying to stop this thread going the way of most threads involving Sky riders on here. Interesting topic ruined by several pages of thinly veiled innuendo followed by mod warnings.
 
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Wasn't accusing. Just trying to stop this thread going the way of most threads involving Sky riders on here. Interesting topic ruined by several pages of thinly veiled innuendo followed by mod warnings.
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Funny how your love for Contador made you fall in love with Team SKY.

It is kinda endearing. Like a little kid loosing his best friend and thus becoming friends with his former friends enemy. Endearing.

Please, Airstream, this is getting a bit ridiculous.

To some standards here der Toni Rominger was also a hell of a climber :D
So, Giro 2010 does not count? Because it does not suite your story?

Next.
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It has nothing to do with Contador. The Tour winner automatically means a superclimber and it is a thing no one can dispute. There's no other way. Superclimber is not someone who attacks a lot since that is just manner of work; it is someone who ride uphill among 3-4-5-6 the best in the world.

Yeah, I prefer Sky to Contador, but I don't see anything criminal and reprehensible in it. My opinion on Sky boys as climbers coincides with majority.
 
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A day in the life just isn't the same without a Miburo poll. We should create a poll to determine his best poll.
 
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brilleaben said:
A day in the life just isn't the same without a Miburo poll. We should create a poll to determine his best poll.
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First, we should create a poll to decide if we should create a poll to determine his best poll.
 
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