Wiggins vs Nibali, Who is the Best Climber in a GT?

[airstream]

If you take them to a duel- Nibali will out climb Wiggins any given day.

The trick of Bradley is that his "new engine" is set to tolerate a very hard pace all the full length of the climb- while Nibb lacks a bit in that department, but he can compensate that with a more explosive approach.

for the 100th time-This matter will be put to rest in the Giro where Wiggo will be forced to "react alone"...

Against Nibali with 0 successful GT uphill attacks. Yea.

 

[Pippo_San]

If you take them to a duel- Nibali will out climb Wiggins any given day.

The trick of Bradley is that his "new engine" is set to tolerate a very hard pace all the full length of the climb- while Nibb lacks a bit in that department, but he can compensate that with a more explosive approach.

for the 100th time-This matter will be put to rest in the Giro where Wiggo will be forced to "react alone"...

This is just speculation tho. I'm a fan of Nibs, yet if we look at the facts, as it stands Wiggo is a superior climber.
This is very much like the debate regarding the supposed ability of Gesink to outclimb Nibs (that never happened - only in the mind of some forumer).

So until Nibs will actually outclimb our dear Knight, he'll be just a common peasant like every other rider

 

[airstream]

He's comparable, to a lesser degree, to Indurain. Indurain frustrated his little climber rivals by shadowing them in the mountains, allowing them to take stage wins, knowing that he would blow them all away in the tt's. Unlike Wiggins though, I believe Indurain could have dropped many of his rivals in the mountains but he was always looking at the bigger picture, that being the overall classification. Chiappucci would go on epic attacks taking time on Indurain only to lose it all plus some once the tt's were over. Wiggins in last year's Tour was never really challenged and rarely had to stick his nose into the wind. The one time that I recall him having to fend for himself, when Froome had one brief moment of mortality and dropped to the back of the elite pack that they were in, Wiggins began to struggle a bit. If any weak links are exposed in the Sky armour, his opponents will have to pounce and to do that they will have to be fully focused and not just sitting in waiting for the final couple of km's of the mountain stages.

I can't give Nibali the edge in the mountains. Maybe on the steeper slopes but overall Wiggins is his superior, much as I would like it not to be so. Nibali though is crafty and relentless. It's this combination of traits that give him a slim chance of bettering Wiggins. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

I agree with you. Though, it is quite logical. Everyone plays its best cards. Why does Wiggins have to attack, considering global edge in TT? Attacks always imply taking a risk, risk of failure, risk of self-dropping. So Wiggins doesn't attack because he doesn't wanna explore himself in this regard. So does Indurain.

The opponents need stronger teams and best organization. Based on what we've seen in March, everyone will be trampled down in July. In my view, the only way to beat Sky is to try to destroy their train using domestics from other teams. Sitting on the wheels and going berserk with 2 km before the finish line won't give anything, because if no one attacks up to 2km to go, the train will still be fresh and neutralize any stir or Froome will be the first to attack.

 

[InterestedSpectator]

Is not equalling a rival's climbing ability and then winning in the TT a doubtful tactic. I mean, would time loss in the TT if one had a 'mechanical' be more serious than if it was on a hill? I suppose it depends how far behind the support car is.

I have talked myself out of this.. Better to have a problem on the TT because the support car is always just metres behind you.

 

[willbick]

In my view, the only way to beat Sky is to try to destroy their train using domestics from other teams.

how is that gonna do anything? u can have a million domestiques attacking and Sky will just go up the climb at their own pace and at the top they will be the fastest

 

[willbick]

Is not equalling a rival's climbing ability and then winning in the TT a doubtful tactic.

lol not when yr the best TT in the world

 

[LaFlorecita]

In my view, the only way to beat Sky is to try to destroy their train using domestics from other teams.

how is that gonna do anything? u can have a million domestiques attacking and Sky will just go up the climb at their own pace and at the top they will be the fastest

Yup most likely but the other teams have to try something at least

edit: I mean should they just roll over and play dead

 

[LaFlorecita]

Is not equalling a rival's climbing ability and then winning in the TT a doubtful tactic.

lol not when yr the best TT in the world

I disagree wiggans is not the best tter in the world. It's Tony that's why he's wearing that rainbow jersey

 

[willbick]

so if i enter the world champs and every other rider drops out for some reason then im the best rider in the world?

 

[Netserk]

so if i enter the world champs and every other rider drops out for some reason then im the best rider in the world?

Have that ever happened

But yes you are

 

[Cavendash]

I disagree wiggans is not the best tter in the world. It's Tony that's why he's wearing that rainbow jersey

The rainbow jersey the Olympic ITT champion couldn't be arsed with?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

I disagree wiggans is not the best tter in the world. It's Tony that's why he's wearing that rainbow jersey

So by using that logic Cav was the best road cyclist during his time wearing the rainbow jersey?

 

[cineteq]

So by using that logic Cav was the best road cyclist during his time wearing the rainbow jersey?

A TTer has nowhere to hide, like Cav does all the time. So yes, Tony is the best TTer in the whole wide world.

 

[wwabbit]

These are all the TTs in 2012 where Wiggins and Martins both competed in:

Volta ao Algarve Stage 5 25.8km
1. Wiggins
2. Martin at 0:00

Paris-Nice Prologue 9.4km
2. Wiggins at 0:01
28. Martin at 0:25

Paris-Nice Stage 8 9.6km
1. Wiggins
25. Martin at 1:37

Critérium du Dauphiné Prologue 5.8km
2. Wiggins at 0:01
5. Martin at 0:05

Critérium du Dauphiné Stage 4 53.5km
1. Wiggins
2. Martin at 0:34

Tour de France Prologue 6.1km
2. Wiggins at 0:07
45. Martin at 0:23

Tour de France Stage 9 38km
1. Wiggins
12. Martin at 2:16

Olympic
1. Wiggins
2. Martin at 0:42

 

[Ferminal]

If Nibali gets hit by a car I doubt he will start the Giro.

 

[LaFlorecita]

These are all the TTs in 2012 where Wiggins and Martins both competed in:

Volta ao Algarve Stage 5 25.8km
1. Wiggins
2. Martin at 0:00

Paris-Nice Prologue 9.4km
2. Wiggins at 0:01
28. Martin at 0:25

Paris-Nice Stage 8 9.6km
1. Wiggins
25. Martin at 1:37

Critérium du Dauphiné Prologue 5.8km
2. Wiggins at 0:01
5. Martin at 0:05

Critérium du Dauphiné Stage 4 53.5km
1. Wiggins
2. Martin at 0:34

Tour de France Prologue 6.1km
2. Wiggins at 0:07
45. Martin at 0:23

Tour de France Stage 9 38km
1. Wiggins
12. Martin at 2:16

Olympic
1. Wiggins
2. Martin at 0:42

Ha ha, 2012 the year when martin had an off-year? I have said this many times before best ________ in the world is over several years not just one.

 

[LaFlorecita]

The rainbow jersey the Olympic ITT champion couldn't be arsed with?

Couldn't be arsed with or, was afraid he'd get his *** handed to him because he spent too many nights partying and getting drunk?

 

[LaFlorecita]

So by using that logic Cav was the best road cyclist during his time wearing the rainbow jersey?

No, with road race it is difficult because there are many factors like parcours and LUCK that influence the result. For example we can't say who is better Phil or cav, cav or berto, Berto or Tommeke.

 

[airstream]

Ha ha, 2012 the year when martin had an off-year? I have said this many times before best ________ in the world is over several years not just one.

However, who was strongest in last season is always a key indicator of future perspectives.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Ha ha, 2012 the year when martin had an off-year? I have said this many times before best ________ in the world is over several years not just one.

Martin was the best in the world for exactly that... one year (2011). Cance could still TT in 2010.

This year it will probably be hard to compare Martin and Wiggins because of their schedules. Though I fully expect Wiggo will beat him in the TDF TTs... that should settle it.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

No, with road race it is difficult because there are many factors like parcours and LUCK that influence the result.

The same applies with TTs.

For example we can't say who is better Phil or cav, cav or berto, Berto or Tommeke.

Well, according to your logic - last year Cav and this year Gilbert. Boonen a few years ago. And Contador, well we are still waiting

 

[airstream]

I understand Fleur. To admit that Wiggins is the strongest time trialist is still all right, not very sweet, though. But if in May Wiggins shows himself as the strongest climber, that would be a disaster.

 

[wwabbit]

Ha ha, 2012 the year when martin had an off-year? I have said this many times before best ________ in the world is over several years not just one.

I know it may be hard for you to understand this, but this forum doesn't revolve around you, and we are all allowed to have our own opinions on how to define the "best X in the world" and we are not obliged to allow you to assert your opinion over our own.

The "Best X in the world" generally refers to the point in time when the statement is made, which is, well, now. Based on recent results from this year, Tony Martin certainly has the best performance so far, but it is premature to say that he is the best in the World at the moment until Wiggins has a chance to compete against him. Based on last year's performances, I think everyone would agree that Wiggins deserves the chance to show what he can do before we jump into any conclusion on who is currently stronger.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I understand Fleur. To admit that Wiggins is the strongest time trialist is still all right, not very sweet, though. But if in May Wiggins shows himself as the strongest climber, that would be a disaster.

No one biting today? What a pity.

But, back on topic, after yesterdays show it is quite clear. Nibali will get slaughtered in the Giro, uphill and in the TT's. His only hope will be the descend of the Gavia-Stelivio stage.

 

[airstream]

No one biting today? What a pity.

But, back on topic, after yesterdays show it is quite clear. Nibali will get slaughtered in the Giro, uphill and in the TT's. His only hope will be the descend of the Gavia-Stelivio stage.

Honestly, I'm fed up with it. The opinion you disagree or dislike has nothing to do with biting. If I had accused of baiting using your methods, I would have had to accuse propably 1/3 of all forumities.

Wiggins is a brilliant timetrialist and climber and he has a pedigree to be a great champion. Deal with it.

His only hope will be the descend of the Gavia-Stelivio stage.

His only chance is Wiggins' fall. Attack on the Stelvio descent from 60 (?) to go would be insanity. Doing this, Nibali will simply bury his chances as he did at the Giau descent