Will Cav apologize ?

[spalco]

Ah, but Cavendish said last year he doesn't do that.

I fail to see where he's clinging onto anything in this clip, although clearly he doesn't mind the push.

 

[Fetisoff]

OK, not being a Cav fan by any means - but this is just getting ****ing ridiculous. Is there a way to give the thread minus 1 star?

 

[goggalor]

This thread again? How about waiting until there's actual footage of Cav clinging onto cars before starting a thread about it?

 

[stetre76]

no, I don't like Cavendish, or I am more or less indifferent towards him.

But this video outtake is a joke!
the guy holding the camera filming is giving the other one instructions to push Cavendish and "help" him.

kinda poor even for those who really "hate" Cavendish....

 

[Captain Sensible]

it says what a disgrace the course in copenhagen was

I dont think anyone will disagree with you about that but that is not the winners fault is it .

 

[burning]

Wheres that vod that he's dragged by cars?

But obviously Cav bribed that fans to push him over that mountain

 

[Christian]

I have no opinion on this matter but I always find it funny when people bring up the "he still climbs better than anyone on the forum" arguement

 

[ultimobici]

Perhaps we should boot Phinney out too?

 

[Biggut]

Come on guys. The guy pushing Phinney and the two guys pushing the rabo riders were clearly faking it. they were being paid by Cav to stay up there and fake pushing the other riders and then give him a genuine push when he needed it. Itsn't it obvious that Cav had set this up deliberately and was in control of the entire situation?

 

[cineteq]

Perhaps we should boot Phinney out too?

His not the world champion

 

[ultimobici]

His not the world champion

And Freddy Maertens never got a push? Nor did Cippo? Actually, Cippo probably didn't as he climbed off before any hills.

Give the guy a break, for all we know that's your video that was posted!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I dont think anyone will disagree with you about that but that is not the winners fault is it .

no but it still makes him unworthy of a rainbow jersey

 

[ultimobici]

First of all don't waste your time on him. Ofcourse Cavendish is a cyclist.

Second I hope you do realise that he's World Champion because all he did was sit in the wheels of his teammates for 250k and then showed his face 20m before the finish line to win it. The course wasn't challenging. It was tailormade for a bunchsprint. Well it's 100% sure that Cavendish is the best sprinter in the world so he obvious became World Champion.

This is not me bashing Cavendish as I actually like him, but just me saying that him being World Champion atm doesn't say **** about all the riders he beat that day. Well all it says is that they can't sprint as fast as Cavendish, but we all allready knew that.

Perhaps you can explain why, despite it being so easy as you say "all he did was sit in the wheels of his teammates for 250k and then showed his face 20m before the finish line to win it", many riders finished upwards of 4 minutes back, many as much as 8 minutes back?

 

[zigmeister]

So if they made the cut by 10 seconds, I would then say it helped them, otherwise, that 25yds of pushing didn't do one thing to change any result in the race with anybody who got a little push.

Troll TS who would be walking his bike up any of those climbs, or just quit and go sit in the car likely after 120 miles of that brutal terrain.

 

[will10]

Perhaps you can explain why, despite it being so easy as you say "all he did was sit in the wheels of his teammates for 250k and then showed his face 20m before the finish line to win it", many riders finished upwards of 4 minutes back, many as much as 8 minutes back?

Great argument....

82 riders on the same time as Cav. Even Zolder had way less than that. Find me one World Champs that has had such a big group still together at the finish. Copehagen was the easiest Worlds in history.

 

[ultimobici]

no but it still makes him unworthy of a rainbow jersey

Circuit was announced years before the actual race, no one objected, no one.

Come race day the British team executed a plan that they had worked on in the years in-between. Italy, Australia, Germany, etc all had the same opportunity to do the same. But they all failed to pull it off on the day. Very few world champions have won entirely on their own account, last I can recall would be Armstrong in 1993 for the simple reason no one knew what he was capable of.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Permanent bans are for whatever reason not used on this forum. If only the ignore thing worked properly. It doesn't. It's no use.

Permanent bans suck. Ryo might be a pile of contradiction and bias but these sort of characters keep forums from being dull.

 

[Kopuliak]

In video it is obvious that he is suffering like a dog.
Some help for a nonclimber in world champion jersey is OK with me.

+1, agreed

 

[El Pistolero]

Circuit was announced years before the actual race, no one objected, no one.

Come race day the British team executed a plan that they had worked on in the years in-between. Italy, Australia, Germany, etc all had the same opportunity to do the same. But they all failed to pull it off on the day. Very few world champions have won entirely on their own account, last I can recall would be Armstrong in 1993 for the simple reason no one knew what he was capable of.

Plenty of people moaned actually, course was awful. Very few world champions have done as little work as Cavendish to become one.

As for people coming 4 or 8 minutes behind. You do realize there was a big crash and that was the only reason there were gaps? Also the domestiques who had to work all day came in behind the peloton. DUH!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Circuit was announced years before the actual race, no one objected, no one.

Come race day the British team executed a plan that they had worked on in the years in-between. Italy, Australia, Germany, etc all had the same opportunity to do the same. But they all failed to pull it off on the day. Very few world champions have won entirely on their own account, last I can recall would be Armstrong in 1993 for the simple reason no one knew what he was capable of.

no one objected? what planet were you in?

 

[ultimobici]

Great argument....

82 riders on the same time as Cav. Even Zolder had way less than that. Find me one World Champs that has had such a big group still together at the finish. Copehagen was the easiest Worlds in history.

I think you need to look at the results from Zolder a little closer. All bar 3 of the 168 finishers finished in less than 6'04". 112 of the 177 finishers were within that time of Cavendish, plus there were 32 DNF's in 2011 compared to 33 in 2002. So all in all neither race was harder/easier. Holding an average of 45-46kmh for 5 hours plus is hard work for any rider irrespective of if they are on a wheel or not. It's not just a magic carpet ride to the finish, other riders want that place and will challenge you for it. Cav is not a Petacchi or Cipollini sized rider so has to fight to stay on the wheel he is on. That takes both physical effort and mental strength. That saps your energy just as much.

 

[ultimobici]

no one objected? what planet were you in?

Link to this "objection". Not an internet forum but a federation. Did Italy, Belgium, Holland, Germany or any other country's federation object?

To the bolded, quite appropriate choice of words for you!!

 

[ultimobici]

Plenty of people moaned actually, course was awful. Very few world champions have done as little work as Cavendish to become one.

Never ridden in a bunch at speed with rivals trying to take your position have you? That still takes effort & skill.

As for people coming 4 or 8 minutes behind. You do realize there was a big crash and that was the only reason there were gaps? Also the domestiques who had to work all day came in behind the peloton. DUH!

Fair comment for some but not all.

 

[karlboss]

Circuit was announced years before the actual race, no one objected, no one.

Come race day the British team executed a plan that they had worked on in the years in-between. Italy, Australia, Germany, etc all had the same opportunity to do the same. But they all failed to pull it off on the day. Very few world champions have won entirely on their own account, last I can recall would be Armstrong in 1993 for the simple reason no one knew what he was capable of.

I complained. I thought Geelong was good. Sprinters had a shot if they were strong enough to get over the hills, a break had a shot, but Gilbert was too strong for his own good and noone would work with him. Mendriso was probably too hard, but noone complains when only the absolute strongest end up at the sharp end.

Edit: Cav is a worthy world champ and team GB worked amazingly well to give it too him, but the course was not worthy of a world champs, he and the other sprinters could have made a race of it on something more challenging.

 

[will10]

I think you need to look at the results from Zolder a little closer. All bar 3 of the 168 finishers finished in less than 6'04". 112 of the 177 finishers were within that time of Cavendish, plus there were 32 DNF's in 2011 compared to 33 in 2002. So all in all neither race was harder/easier. Holding an average of 45-46kmh for 5 hours plus is hard work for any rider irrespective of if they are on a wheel or not. It's not just a magic carpet ride to the finish, other riders want that place and will challenge you for it. Cav is not a Petacchi or Cipollini sized rider so has to fight to stay on the wheel he is on. That takes both physical effort and mental strength. That saps your energy just as much.

Thank you for completely ignoring my point. The amount of time lost in a one-day race is meaningless once you're dropped. Copenhagen sticks out like a sore thumb compared to other "flat" Worlds in terms of how many people were still in the group at the finish.