Will Chris Boardman be on the French list for taking EPO.

[Le breton]

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While an inverse relationship has been reported between VO2max and efficiency (e.g. as reported by Lucia et al),

I can't understand how a journal could publish such silly stuff.

The guy Lucia tests only pro cyclists, furthermore all of them climbers since they are all basque, therefore he is testing cyclists who would be at the same level in Andy Coggan well-known chart. Therefore all of them able to produce say 6 Watts/kg for 20 min, give or take a few %, NARROW RANGE OF ABILITY

Then he discovers that some of them have a higher mechanical efficiency, up to never heard of 28 or 29% and guess what, those guys are the one who have the lowest VO2 in the select bunch.

Talk about tautology!!!

I hope that journal was not refereed, I hate to see a referee accepting such crap and unable to comprehend that if you have :

A times B = C

and C is fixed at say 6 watts/kg

then if A (efficiency) goes up

of course B (VO2) goes down

Because of this I tend to view Lucia's study as pure cr@p.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

I can't understand how a journal could publish such silly stuff.

The guy Lucia tests only pro cyclists, furthermore all of them climbers since they are all basque, therefore he is testing cyclists who would be at the same level in Andy Coggan well-known chart. Therefore all of them able to produce say 6 Watts/kg for 20 min, give or take a few %, NARROW RANGE OF ABILITY

Then he discovers that some of them have a higher mechanical efficiency, up to never heard of 28 or 29% and guess what, those guys are the one who have the lowest VO2 in the select bunch.

Talk about tautology!!!

I hope that journal was not refereed, I hate to see a referee accepting such crap and unable to comprehend that if you have :

A times B = C

and C is fixed at say 6 watts/kg

then if A (efficiency) goes up

of course B (VO2) goes down

Because of this I tend to view Lucia's study as pure cr@p.

But if there isn't some truth to it, where are all the non doped guys doing 6.4-6.6 W/kg at threshold?

Hell, you could even hit like 6.8 with high (but definitely humanly possible) efficiency and high VO2.

 

[airstream]

Why the poll asks about EPO? Prologue specialits hit contisteroids and cortizone as far as I remember

 

[Le breton]

Hell, you could even hit like 6.8 with high (but definitely humanly possible) efficiency and high VO2.

And even 9 watts/kg according to a certain Andy Coggan .

 

[pmcg76]

Why the poll asks about EPO? Prologue specialits hit contisteroids and cortizone as far as I remember

Whilst Boardman was a top Prologue rider, he was a little bit more than a prologue specialist. In general, prologue specialists do not finish on the podium in races like Dauphine, Romandy, Paris-Nice, Criterium International or place Top 5 in Pais Vasco.

Now Thierry Marie, he was a prologue specialist.

 

[86TDFWinner]

How was I wrong? Quoted an article that Boardman admitted to taking a banned substance.

 

[Von Mises]

How was I wrong? Quoted an article that Boardman admitted to taking a banned substance.

Once again. No, he did not. He did not admit. He did not admit. Read your article once more and maybe, just maybe, you then see that he does not admit.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Chris Boardman suffered from osteoporosis in combination with a low hormone profile. Instead of going on a medically-approved steroid program, he decided it was best to retire.

No way he's on the this upcoming list.

Not according to the article I posted. It claims he was on some sort of drug that was most likely banned,, for the better part of 2 years. My question before was, if he knew he couldn't get approved for the TUE, why did he still use banned substances?

 

[andy1234]

How was I wrong? Quoted an article that Boardman admitted to taking a banned substance.

Jeez, you truly are as dumb as rocks.
Go away, read the article again, this time when you are not drunk, and come back.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Thanks for pointing to that article: i suffer from osteopenia therefore I am interested. However I am 30 years older than Boardman and I don't believe I have had that condition for that many years. The specialists who saw me didn't mention low testosterone as a possible cause and I am using bisphosphonates.

I have noticed that French medical authorities do not seem to put much faith in the value of bisphophonates as the "Sécurité Sociale" stopped reimbursing the most (or 2nd most) prescribed such product recently.

No worries. Apologies to all for taking the topic off kilter a bit, I just wanted to point to an article that Boardman himself spoke in, the laid claim that he did do something on the banned list, he even admitted as much in the article. If he's found to be clean, as I've said before in this thread, good for him and he gets respect from me. But the article looks as if it paints him as a guy who doped. I'm sorry about his and yours condition. If he were that bad off, he should've retired IMO. No shame in that.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Jeez, you truly are as dumb as rocks.
Go away, read the article again, this time when you are not drunk, and come back.

Thanks, wasn't drunk then and not now. I've read the article 5 times, Boardman admits to getting intervenes drugs for over 2 yrs. Please get thicker glasses in your lenses so you can read.

Just because you choose not to accept it, is not my problem. BTW, weren't you supposed to have some sort of proof that LeMond doped, and when called on to produce it, you disappeared?

 

[Mr.38%]

Why the poll asks about EPO? Prologue specialits hit contisteroids and cortizone as far as I remember

No, they don't. "Cortisone" (often in fact ACTH) is for longer efforts and even for a 50km ITT you had to spend 1-2h on the rollers.

 

[andy1234]

Thanks, wasn't drunk then and not now. I've read the article 5 times, Boardman admits to getting intervenes drugs for over 2 yrs. Please get thicker glasses in your lenses so you can read.

Just because you choose not to accept it, is not my problem. BTW, weren't you supposed to have some sort of proof that LeMond doped, and when called on to produce it, you disappeared?

You read the article 5 times, and you still think that he said what you claim?
There isn't much point in me replying, because the forum has no way of uploading a picture written in crayon.

 

[86TDFWinner]

You read the article 5 times, and you still think that he said what you claim?
There isn't much point in me replying, because the forum has no way of uploading a picture written in crayon.

Do you know for sure he didnt say it? Were you there to know that he didnt say it? Please post proof to the contrary. Is this like the time you claimed to have proof that "LeMond doped too" then when called on to produce it, you disappeared?
Nice job Corky.
Why would that article lie and say he said that?


Kinda like when we asked you about Lemond supposedly doping and you
couldn't produce non existent info.

 

[andy1234]

Do you know for sure he didnt say it? Were you there to know that he didnt say it? Please post proof to the contrary. Is this like the time you claimed to have proof that "LeMond doped too" then when called on to produce it, you disappeared?

Why would that article lie and say he said that?

***made pointless by a mods editing***

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

Do you know for sure he didnt say it? Were you there to know that he didnt say it? Please post proof to the contrary. Is this like the time you claimed to have proof that "LeMond doped too" then when called on to produce it, you disappeared?
Nice job Corky.
Why would that article lie and say he said that?


Kinda like when we asked you about Lemond supposedly doping and you
couldn't produce non existent info.

Bit of advice from someone who hasn't got a dog in this fight. When you are in a hole, stop digging. The article doesn't say what you claimed it said.

 

[Netserk]

@86TDFWinner

Either you quote the bit of the article where he admits that he has taken a drug for 2 years, or you stop this.

 

[acoggan]

And even 9 watts/kg according to a certain Andy Coggan .

Just following in Mike Joyner's footsteps.

 

[acoggan]

Could they do 5.9 W/kg on back-back 1h climbs? No.

In training, when merely cruising down the mountain in between efforts (which is the situation to which I alluded)? I don't see why not (assuming their FTP is somewhere north of 6 W/kg, that is).

To express it another way: how much of a decline in power would expect when going from a 25 mi TT to a 50 mi TT? The answer is, somewhere between 5 and 10%...so what is most remarkable about the woman's data that I mentioned isn't how she performs relative to herself, but her absolute ability. (Then again, she is among the best in the world.)

 

[red_flanders]

Please cease the personal attacks on this thread. Argue the post content or simply don't respond. Thanks.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Once again. No, he did not. He did not admit. He did not admit. Read your article once more and maybe, just maybe, you then see that he does not admit.

He admits to taking something for over 2 years, re read the article again, its clearly there.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

He admits to taking something for over 2 years, re read the article again, its clearly there.

What is the product he admits to taking?
Is that product on the banned list?

If you do not know of an answer to any of the 2 simple questions above then you cannot say that he took a PED. Gottit? Good.

 

[Netserk]

He admits to taking something for over 2 years, re read the article again, its clearly there.

Pick a choice.

@86TDFWinner

Either you quote the bit of the article where he admits that he has taken a drug for 2 years, or you stop this.

 

[acoggan]

He admits to taking something for over 2 years, re read the article again, its clearly there.

To reiterate: "something" = bisphosphonates = not on banned list (and never have been).

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

He admits to taking something for over 2 years, re read the article again, its clearly there.

Yes, but what he was using is not (and never has been) a prohibited substance. That is the most obvious point you seem to be missing.