Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[the sceptic]

Lol. You must be taking the **** ? How much did he improve from last year ? Perhaps it's his new bike that is the secret.

Perhaps he was riding clean(er), or maybe Tinkoff only got protection from uncle Cookson this season. Or maybe he learned some things from De Jongh and Dodger.

But yes, it is obvious that he has stepped up the program this year.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Perhaps he was riding clean(er), or maybe Tinkoff only got protection from uncle Cookson this season. Or maybe he learned some things from De Jongh and Dodger.

But yes, it is obvious that he has stepped up the program this year.

Next year will be even more fun if the rumors about Yates and Julich are correct

 

[Bratam]

Back to OP.

I'm trying to recall the last time Contador rode for a team that wasn't one of the known dirtiest. Saxo-Astana-Discovery-Once...

....why break a lifetime habit?

Just imagine if Contador signed for a reputable team like Garmin sharp. Wouldn't that be something ? No way in a million years me thinks.

 

[RownhamHill]

Next year will be even more fun if the rumors about Yates and Julich are correct

Yeah I think it's pretty clear that he has learnt some new preparation technique from De Jong and Rogers.

But the question is: what did he learn?

I'm pretty sure he'd already worked out how to blood dope and microcode epo, so what's the new trick?

As I don't know, I'm not assuming anything.

 

[RownhamHill]

It does to.everyone but you.



Only you haven't offered an alternative. Your alternative is -being clean, which is the total absence of an alternative.

It's extremely simple logic, and I've never met anyone who doesn't understand it that if the total absence of a variable produces the same results as the variable did, then the variable has no impact.

But it's not the first time you have offered bizzaro logic.

Strawmen and insults. Nice going.

 

[the sceptic]

Yeah I think it's pretty clear that he has learnt some new preparation technique from De Jong and Rogers.

But the question is: what did he learn?

I'm pretty sure he'd already worked out how to blood dope and microcode epo, so what's the new trick?

As I don't know, I'm not assuming anything.

You are certain he learned new preparation techniques, whatever that means.

You also know he knows how to blood dope.

Yet you know nothing and dont assume anything.

Incredible.

 

[LaFlorecita]

 

[sniper]

Strawmen and insults. Nice going.

yet hitch is right in that you haven't offered any remotely plausible alternative.

 

[No_Balls]

If Yates and also Julich joins Tinkoff then it is safe to assume Cookson offers some sort of protection. Like Phat he is a Sky-fan but as a old school president he is more fan of the old ways of running things - protecting the sport and his office. Wiggins/Froome had their moment in the limelight but Wiggins was ditched and Froome has come out as a loose canon with his book/interview. This together with the cold and calculating environment of Sky is potentially damaging long term wise with egos who suddenly discovers they are the best GT-riders of all time on board.

The list of semi-depressed Skybots lining up in "Alberto Contador Clinic threads" suggest something has changed. Because, lets face it, this thread was untouched in 2013.

 

[RownhamHill]

You are certain he learned new preparation techniques, whatever that means.

You also know he knows how to blood dope.

Yet you know nothing and dont assume anything.

Incredible.

Nice one.

I'm not certain he learnt any new tricks, but as Contador himself is on the record saying that working with De jongh has helped him prepare and perform better this year, I'm happy to take him at his word. (Shrug)

I know how to blood dope, and if I didn't I could Google the answer in less than a second - pretty sure Contador isn't scratching his head and still wondering what all the men in suits at CAS were talking about that time. (Shrug)

I don't know if he's doping now though, although he might be (shrug)

I assume I've replied to any substantive point you might have been making. I certainly don't know for sure though.

 

[RownhamHill]

yet hitch is right in that you haven't offered any remotely plausible alternative.

No. I didn't try to. All I said is he might be clean.

Obviously he might not be.

Sorry that such an anodyne statement has turned into pseudo-creationism. Well, I'm not really sorry as it's been fun.

 

[RownhamHill]

A good point, well made.

Think it's time I might stop now.

 

[oldcrank]

comparing Saxo to either Sky or USPS is pointless as long as Saxo cannot be shown to have any direct connections to the UCI.
Thus far we can only assume that Saxo dope fair and square. No institutional help.

https://twitter.com/olegtinkov/status/510459440311455745/photo/1

 

[the sceptic]

No. I didn't try to. All I said is he might be clean.

Obviously he might not be.

Sorry that such an anodyne statement has turned into pseudo-creationism. Well, I'm not really sorry as it's been fun.

I think what you are saying is that you are hoping Contador is clean, otherwise it will be really difficult to believe Froome is clean too. Correct?

 

[LaFlorecita]

A good point, well made.

Think it's time I might stop now.

At some point someone has to decide to stop.

I don't think it was you getting into fights by the way

 

[Berzin]

Yeah I think it's pretty clear that he has learnt some new preparation technique from De Jong and Rogers.

But the question is: what did he learn?

I'm pretty sure he'd already worked out how to blood dope and microdose epo, so what's the new trick?

The only tricks left, if there aren't any new magic doping products not widely known and as of yet undetectable, is circumvention of the Biopassport. That would involve not members of the old doping guard still working with teams and individual riders, but the relationship of team doctors and their knowledge of Biopassport circumvention.

How that's done can be a combination of any number of tactics employed by Armstrong in regards to his relationship with Ferrari and cycling's governing body.

 

[The Hitch]

No. I didn't try to. All I said is he might be clean.

Obviously he might not be.

Sorry that such an anodyne statement has turned into pseudo-creationism. Well, I'm not really sorry as it's been fun.

It is creationism. If Contador is faster clean than he was on a heavy EPO programme then EPO does not work.

That is what you are arguing.

But it goes against absolutely everything that is known about doping. It goes against every shred of evidence that exists. It makes 0 sense. Less than 0 sense. It means Pantani could have won clean. Armstrong could have won clean. Indurain could have won clean. Ricco and Di Luca really were great talents. The rise in speeds that came after EPO entered the peloton was a pure coincidence.

So it is like creationism. Makes 0 sense.

 

[SeriousSam]

It is creationism. If Contador is faster clean than he was on a heavy EPO programme then EPO does not work.

Ah but this inference ("then EPO does not work") relies on the unstated assumption that the other performance affecting variables were held constant, which need not be the case. Instead of being on a heavy EPO program with the occasional coffee ride for training, he might have - following the wisdom imparted by De Jongh - switched to clean program consisting of nothing but hard and honest training, resulting in a net positive effect on performance.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Ah but this inference ("then EPO does not work") relies on the unstated assumption that the other performance affecting variables were held constant, which need not be the case. Instead of being on a heavy EPO program with the occasional coffee ride for training, he might have - following the wisdom imparted by De Jongh - switched to clean program consisting of nothing but hard and honest training, resulting in a net positive effect on performance.

See more on Know Your Meme

 

[Dr. Juice]

The only tricks left, if there aren't any new magic doping products not widely known and as of yet undetectable, is circumvention of the Biopassport. That would involve not members of the old doping guard still working with teams and individual riders, but the relationship of team doctors and their knowledge of Biopassport circumvention.

How that's done can be a combination of any number of tactics employed by Armstrong in regards to his relationship with Ferrari and cycling's governing body.

The bio passport was already there in 2011. If there hasn't been any refinement (or restrictions on the blood values) then Alberto should simply be on the juice like in 2011. And also in 2013. The big stars all dope and have the best medical assistance.
It was probably a f*cked up winter which led to the results in 2013. Way too early into competition ( San Luis ...Alberto stated himself he began the season too early which was one of the main mistakes) - not enough baseline to work upon.

We all know doping and training are equally important. Without the juice you won't go far and without appropriate training neither.
Shouldn't be that complicated. He simply hadn't enough baseline. In season this is very difficult to gain back. The hard work is done in winter. Between races you can do the finetuning, not the basics.

 

[RownhamHill]

I think what you are saying is that you are hoping Contador is clean, otherwise it will be really difficult to believe Froome is clean too. Correct?

And once again you're wrong.

I hope contador is clean because contador is the reason I ever got into cycling in the first place. Becausr I'm a big contador fanboy.

Same reason you hope Froome is doping. Correct?

 

[the sceptic]

And once again you're wrong.

I hope contador is clean because contador is the reason I ever got into cycling in the first place. Becausr I'm a big contador fanboy.

Same reason you hope Froome is doping. Correct?

I dont need hope. I know both of them are doping.

 

[Bronstein]

I think he might be clean.

Or at least I haven't seen any particularly compelling evidence as to how he might be doping since his ban. Whatever he's started doing with the new coach seems to be working, and seems to be weight related, but whether that's doping related, I don't know.

 

[laurel1969]

Now that was funny

 

[RownhamHill]

Now that was funny

Very good.