Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[Angliru]

I love Wiggo, and to a lesser extent Froome, because I know they are clean riders. Their team has no links to doping. Nobody believes Brailsford is anything but honest on the doping issue; he has proven his anti doping credentials by firing anybody remotely connected to historical doping on the team coaching staff. Whereas Contador chooses to work with Riis who we know for a fact sent riders to get blood transfusions. Chalk and cheese.

Why don't you switch from Contador to Wiggo or Froome today? Froome would probably suit you more in style and has always been as outspoken on the doping issue as Brad. More and more people are making the switch from supporting dopers to supporting Sky. There IS a different way.

Sounds like a clandestine cult with members preparing for a virgin sacrifice wearing hoods and chanting incantations.

 

[Parrulo]

It's also consistent with being a clean rider. Again, has anyone who has won anything tested positive for GW-501516? All reports I've seen say it's another one of these wait loss drugs like clen. Hardly going to set the world on fire. It's very unlikely they would bother using this crude drug with the extraordinary risks. It certainly wouldn't be done on a team wide basis.

I guess you mustn't have read that many reports then.

 

[SuperWiggo]

I guess you mustn't have read that many reports then.

I've seen reports saying it's the new drug on the scene. That's rather different from saying it's as good as blood transfusions and EPO. There's already a test for it as well so it's very risky to take. What's the average percentage performance benefit?

 

[LaFlorecita]

I think she is sincere.

This is terrific

 

[Pulpstar]

I love Wiggo, and to a lesser extent Froome, because I know they are clean riders. Their team has no links to doping. Nobody believes Brailsford is anything but honest on the doping issue; he has proven his anti doping credentials by firing anybody remotely connected to historical doping on the team coaching staff. Whereas Contador chooses to work with Riis who we know for a fact sent riders to get blood transfusions. Chalk and cheese.

Why don't you switch from Contador to Wiggo or Froome today? Froome would probably suit you more in style and has always been as outspoken on the doping issue as Brad. More and more people are making the switch from supporting dopers to supporting Sky. There IS a different way.

None of us KNOW anything, unless we are inside team Saxo or Sky or Garmin. I'm giving both Contador and Sky the benefit of the doubt, and there is always doubt! Heck I give it to Mo Farah and Gaylen Rupp and Usain Bolt too.
OK All the above 6 might be doping, I have no way to know. None of them might be, call that naive/optimistic, All of them might be - call that overly cynical

But we can't say that Contador is a doper definitively and Froome isn't, that just simply can't be said. Same as you can't say 100% Froome dopes and Contador is clean.

 

[the sceptic]

Bolt is clearly clean. Never tested positive and works hard in training.

 

[SuperWiggo]

None of us KNOW anything, unless we are inside team Saxo or Sky or Garmin. I'm giving both Contador and Sky the benefit of the doubt, and there is always doubt! Heck I give it to Mo Farah and Gaylen Rupp and Usain Bolt too.
OK All the above 6 might be doping, I have no way to know. None of them might be, call that naive/optimistic, All of them might be - call that overly cynical

But we can't say that Contador is a doper definitively and Froome isn't, that just simply can't be said. Same as you can't say 100% Froome dopes and Contador is clean.

We don't know for sure that Contador is doping now, but we do know almost definitively that he was a doper in the past. 2009 tour de france time trial? Verbier? That will never happen again.

And who can forget his superhuman attacks with Rasmussen in 2007. They attacked each other all the way up every mountain. never happening again.

 

[taiwan]

It was funny when WL did it.

 

[Parrulo]

Oh again the same old Peyesourde 2007 BS.

Your 2 heroes did the climb only 20 seconds slower than Contador and Rasmussen did back in 07 and both stages had the same route.

Sounds like a very small difference between the epitome of doping and a supa dupa clean performance

 

[skimazk]

contadors performance in itt made me think about the itt by postal in 04 in DL as mentioned in the secret race.. (#206)

 

[burning]

Of course they are clean. Nobody on the current sky team, rider or staff, knows how to use a needle. How the hell are they going to run a complex doping ring?

It's actually very complicated to have people running all over the place, smuggling drugs, making cross border runs, storing drugs in fridges, avoiding testers, dumping trash. USPS only barely got away with during their time where tests were thin - countless near misses, investigations into trash, disgruntled former employees, wives and girlfriends speaking out. EVERYBODY in the peloton knew what they were up to.

With Sky there is none of that, and that's under a much tighter regime in a different era. It's just not credible that they're doping.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I'm a sufferer myself. As stated, adrenaline overrides it during extreme exercise. It wouldn't turn one of the former great time trialists in the world into a donkey.

This feels like the return of an old friend.

 

[red_flanders]

Hey all, thanks for the concern RE: trolling. We do appreciate it. Can you please report posts you consider to be trolling instead of creating kruft in the threads? Please add in why you think the member is trolling or a returning banned member.

Thanks, and again we do appreciate your help in this, it's very useful.

 

[The Hitch]

Hey all, thanks for the concern RE: trolling. We do appreciate it. Can you please report posts you consider to be trolling instead of creating kruft in the threads? Please add in why you think the member is trolling or a returning banned member.

Thanks, and again we do appreciate your help in this, it's very useful.

My post was NOT a complaint about trolling but a light hearted observation on the similarities between super-wiggo and wonder-lance who was not a troll but a forum legend who even the moderators glorified.

could my post be reinstated?

 

[SeriousSam]

We don't know for sure that Contador is doping now, but we do know almost definitively that he was a doper in the past. 2009 tour de france time trial? Verbier? That will never happen again.

And who can forget his superhuman attacks with Rasmussen in 2007. They attacked each other all the way up every mountain. never happening again.

You accept that spectacular results are indicative of doping but maintain that Sir Brad and Chris are clean? The cognitive dissonance must be unbearable.

 

[Big Doopie]

holy crapola, just watched today's itt.

fact: if clentadopucci top tens at the tour it will be the greatest fraud since armstrong rebounded from his natural abilities at the Gila ITT to his doped pro tour performance just a few weeks later.

Or, or better yet, Armstrong (who bragged about staying on the bike all winter) finishing the 2005 Paris-Nice in like 120+ position in the prologue destroyed by a bunch of French riders who "didn't know how to train"...

Clentadopucci beaten by rolland in an itt.

yup, yup, totally fair that clentadopucci has all those gt wins still to his name. :

The only possible reason is that clentadopucci is a serial doper and needs to be kicked out of the sport before he does it any more harm. Lifetime ban. Nothing less.

go, go afld!! catch the sob!

 

[the sceptic]

Big trollie will not be satisfied until garmin and sky have all the riders in the top 10. 5 is not enough.

 

[bangnz]

I kinda believe his excuse of sinus/hayfeaver.. He kept rubbing his nose in yesterdays ITT

rain today= no pollen in the air = no excuses
but even if he stays with the skytrain today thats proof enough hes doping for you lot right?

 

[Big Doopie]

Big trollie will not be satisfied until garmin and sky have all the riders in the top 10. 5 is not enough.

Nice try. I made no mention of sky. But way to show how reliable you are misrepresenting what people say.

Sorry you are a fraud fanboy. I really thought people would have had their fill after Armstrong.

Defending clentadopucci is promoting drugged racing. It's really that simple.

 

[IndianCyclist]

holy crapola, just watched today's itt.

fact: if clentadopucci top tens at the tour it will be the greatest fraud since armstrong rebounded from his natural abilities at the Gila ITT to his doped pro tour performance just a few weeks later.

Or, or better yet, Armstrong (who bragged about staying on the bike all winter) finishing the 2005 Paris-Nice in like 120+ position in the prologue destroyed by a bunch of French riders who "didn't know how to train"...

Clentadopucci beaten by rolland in an itt.

yup, yup, totally fair that clentadopucci has all those gt wins still to his name. :

The only possible reason is that clentadopucci is a serial doper and needs to be kicked out of the sport before he does it any more harm. Lifetime ban. Nothing less.

go, go afld!! catch the sob!

The more he participates the more everybody gets to know his true level IMHO and the more chances that he will get desperate to perform, make a mistake and get caught.

 

[Spider1964]

I kinda believe his excuse of sinus/hayfeaver.. He kept rubbing his nose in yesterdays ITT

rain today= no pollen in the air = no excuses
but even if he stays with the skytrain today thats proof enough hes doping for you lot right?

I've seen this written a couple of times on this forum and it is incorrect (IMO). Advised by my own MD that rain can actually acerbate allergy problems, particularly if you have sinus problems, which I have.

Everyones different.

http://augustaallergy.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/its-raining-good-or-bad-for-the-sinuses/

 

[TubularBills]

I've seen this written a couple of times on this forum and it is incorrect (IMO). Advised by my own MD that rain can actually acerbate allergy problems, particularly if you have sinus problems, which I have.

Everyones different.

http://augustaallergy.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/its-raining-good-or-bad-for-the-sinuses/

Don't all Pro cyclists have a sinus problem?

~ Sir Neophyte

 

[Big Doopie]

The more he participates the more everybody gets to know his true level IMHO and the more chances that he will get desperate to perform, make a mistake and get caught.

Here's hoping!

I agree. After all last time he was beaten handily at the dauphine and then had competition at the tour from an equally doped fraudlet, that forced him to dope on the final rest day -- and then get caught. It must be virtually impossible to compete without the sauce, when the sauce made you an acclaimed champion -- Particularly when the system/team around you does not support clean racing and has a "win at all costs" attitude. And his complete and utter lack of contrition for his doping ban puts him on a level with Armstrong. I think that's what happened at last years vuelta. He limited his doping but then realized he was going to get beat and on the second rest day he took a little more risk...of course taking a risk at the vuelta is hardly a risk anyway.

For the good of cycling clentadopucci must go down. And then on to the next one.

Side note: I find it fascinating that articles have come out on clentadopucci, jrodopucci and VDBopucci that doing well at the dauphine doesn't matter. Along with valverde you can be sure they are following uspostal's/Landis bb schedule for tour success.

 

[the sceptic]

Big doopie youre so funny. Contador is the biggest villain, impossible to know his true talent level since he has been doping since he was 14. blah blah.

But when a garmin riders wins one of the most heavily doped races of the year then we can be sure he is extremely talented so there can be no doubt that it was a clean win

 

[Taxus4a]

contadors performance in itt made me think about the itt by postal in 04 in DL as mentioned in the secret race.. (#206)

I thougt it was Menchov. I bet for him

Contador has no advantage now, that finished for a lot of people and that is good for cycling. No more Pepe Marti, no more to be always in the bad place in the bad moment. No more to say his mommy: cycling is like to Know Papa Noel doesnt exist when he started.
I am spanish, I have a picture with Contador, I have told him: go go, several times. But I dont live of cycling, I enjoy cycling, and I want a credible sport.
Contador has talent, but not so big talent as to win a prologue to Tony Martin in Paris Nice. He is maybe as Beñat Intxausti, who is going to be up there in the next years, close to the big podiums, maybe a little better, but not much better, IMO.
We saw that in Pais Vasco this year, anyway.
Both of them won in Gorla, and that put them in the voice of the basque and spanish cycling as big talent.
But Amador won even in a better way Gorla.
Contador is maybe how he was in Tirreno in his better form. That is credible for me. He is not a lie, he is a good rider, Santambroglio is a lie becouse he was better than Alberto in Tirreno, and he is much worse than him
But his CV for me it is a lie.

I have said this always, It is not for this year.


Anyway it is my opinion, this year dont prove anything, of course.

He used to lie, I dont like that.
We have had big champions as gentleman Indurain, and carismatic Perico. Maybe they doped sometimes, I dont Know, but for me are champions to be proud of.
A lot of people think the same here now for Contador, but for me it is not the same.

To be always good it is not evidence to be clean, Di Luca and Rebellin are examples, or Ullrich, Basso is maybe a little different example.

I hope be wrong and that time put me wrong. I hope anyway some day we know the truth, but that is difficult.