Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[WillemS]

True. It's a good guide to who is a doper and who is not.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jun/10/bradley-wiggins-wins-criterium-du-dauphine

Nice one.

However, some might claim that this is due to the distinct pattern of bloop doping versus metabolic modulators. While epo-boosted blood doping might induce distinct peak and trough patterns, metabolic modulators might be taken for an extended period of time and might not cause those kinds of feedback loop dips in performance. There is an abundance of testimonials from GW-501516 users on bodybuilding fora that claim use of the product for prolonged amounts of time (near 8 months) without many side-effects or post-cycle drops.

The dynamics of different doping products vary wildly, therefore it is very hard to diagnose doping solely from peaks and drops in performance.

 

[Coolair2970]

In short following your logic if a guy couldn't show say top 10-15 in a gt before 25 years of age, his GT future is already predetermined because he is untalented chump, right?

Have you ever thought about that pre EPO a lot of GC winners where in their early twenties. Just to mention a few. Merckx 23, Fignion 22, Hinault 23 (Won both the Vuelta and the Tour. Also Hampsten og Lemond won at 25.

Contador was 24 in 2007, Andy was 25 when he was given a victorie, but already had 2 GC seconds, Then came the old brigade Ewans and Wiggins.

All the young guns have one thing in common. They either won at there first try or had results in the GTs before they won.

So to put it simpel. All the riders that won their first GT in there 30ties have a stink to there name, maybe except Carlos Sastre.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

LOL @ 2012.

Sky 1,2,4 at Dauphine.
Sky 1,2 at Tour.

That mess was funny.

No surprise that other teams know the arms race is going full bore.

 

[thehog]

LOL @ 2012.

Sky 1,2,4 at Dauphine.
Sky 1,2 at Tour.

That mess was funny.

No surprise that other teams know the arms race is going full bore.

and Sky has their own UCI President.

No team can match that!

 

[WillemS]

So to put it simpel. All the riders that won their first GT in there 30ties have a stink to there name.

I like play the devil's advocate, so don't feel any offense, but I would like to fire an argument against that.

I think we have witnessed a transition in doping practices over the past couple of years. While I don't go as far as to claim that the amount of doping in the peloton is reduced, both the methods of using blood doping and the doping of choice have changed or are changing. In such a transitional period, it might be that doping programs are not yet up to par, causing performances to go down (wasn't there a trend of lower wattage?). Now, imagine a talented rider that never doped, therefore never performing at the highest levels. In this transitional period, when the dopers' performances are down, he might show some results even at an older age.

In this scenario, the only reason that the talented rider never showed any great results in his youth was due to others having doped, not his lack of talent. While this may or may not apply to any active cyclist, it is not an impossible scenario.

 

[SuperWiggo]

Nice one.

However, some might claim that this is due to the distinct pattern of bloop doping versus metabolic modulators. While epo-boosted blood doping might induce distinct peak and trough patterns, metabolic modulators might be taken for an extended period of time and might not cause those kinds of feedback loop dips in performance. There is an abundance of testimonials from GW-501516 users on bodybuilding fora that claim use of the product for prolonged amounts of time (near 8 months) without many side-effects or post-cycle drops.

The dynamics of different doping products vary wildly, therefore it is very hard to diagnose doping solely from peaks and drops in performance.

Has anyone who has won anything tested positive for this stuff? It doesn't seem to be a game changer. You can't win a tour on it. The real dopers need blood. That's why they don't go well at the Dauphine. I agree with thehog that poor performance at the Dauphine marks out the dopers.

 

[Miburo]

Not sure if it's been posted already but Contador should visit this site

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=front

 

[TourOfSardinia]

AC said post ITT

the Dauphiné is the Dauphiné and the Tour is the Tour. These allergies should have finished by then.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-blames-allergies-for-sub-par-dauphine-time-trial

so he is in control of his allergies - phew!

 

[LaFlorecita]

Not sure if it's been posted already but Contador should visit this site

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=front

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=124

Alberto needs advice on sex now that he's aging?

 

[Pulpstar]

http://www.meteovista.co.uk/Europe/Hay-fever-France/168

Well the pollen count is high, and he was scooting about on the seat like a dog with worms.

What gear was he pushing, because his cadence looked ok to me. ?

 

[Miburo]

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=124

Alberto needs advice on sex now that he's aging?

Look at the coach

 

[LaFlorecita]

Look at the coach

I know I know

 

[SuperWiggo]

http://www.meteovista.co.uk/Europe/Hay-fever-France/168

Well the pollen count is high, and he was scooting about on the seat like a dog with worms.

What gear was he pushing, because his cadence looked ok to me. ?

The pollen count wouldn't drain him of all his power. Once he got going, the adrenaline would drive it out of the system. No, he looked like his haematocrit was very low.

 

[LaFlorecita]

The pollen count wouldn't drain him of all his power. Once he got going, the adrenaline would drive it out of the system. No, he looked like his haematocrit was very low.

pollen allergy makes breathing more difficult. Which means less oxigen which means less power.

 

[SuperWiggo]

pollen allergy makes breathing more difficult. Which means less oxigen which means less power.

I'm a sufferer myself. As stated, adrenaline overrides it during extreme exercise. It wouldn't turn one of the former great time trialists in the world into a donkey.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I'm a sufferer myself. As stated, adrenaline overrides it during extreme exercise. It wouldn't turn one of the former great time trialists in the world into a donkey.

It certainly contributes when you're not in great shape anyway (which he never is in Dauphine)

check out his tt for example in 2010 dauphiné

and check out his ride on the mountain stage in 2010(?) crit int.

Put those two together and you get today.

 

[SuperWiggo]

It certainly contributes when you're not in great shape anyway (which he never is in Dauphine)

check out his tt for example in 2010 dauphiné

and check out his ride on the mountain stage in 2010(?) crit int.

Put those two together and you get today.

Stuff like clen isn't going to improve his performance right now. It will speed up his metabolism so he can be a low weight for the tour. Every June he takes out blood, ramps up the clen, and we see the same results. This year is the worst yet, so maybe he's taking too much.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Stuff like clen isn't going to improve his performance right now. It will speed up his metabolism so he can be a low weight for the tour. Every June he takes out blood, ramps up the clen, and we see the same results. This year is the worst yet, so maybe he's taking too much.

oh my

 

[LaFlorecita]

Stuff like clen isn't going to improve his performance right now. It will speed up his metabolism so he can be a low weight for the tour. Every June he takes out blood, ramps up the clen, and we see the same results. This year is the worst yet, so maybe he's taking too much.

I love that you talk about it as if you're his doctor

Your point: His performance today can't be related to anything but doping so he must've taken it too far. right

how do you explain his form this whole season? He's worse than ever + it's dauphine+ allergies

The fact that he's always bad during dauphine may be because he extracts blood around that time. But it sure doesn't explain his performance today.

 

[Tom T.]

The pollen count wouldn't drain him of all his power. Once he got going, the adrenaline would drive it out of the system. No, he looked like his haematocrit was very low.

You can tell his hematocrit is low by just watching him pedal a bike? Wow, you should be somewhere trying to cure cancer with those diagnostic skills.

 

[Cookster15]

The fact that he's always bad during dauphine may be because he extracts blood around that time. But it sure doesn't explain his performance today.

This is what I don't understand about some cycling fans. How can you so admire a rider for his attacking style when you freely admit that his reputation as a "great rider" was earned through doping - or at least doping better than his competition as did Armstrong.

It seems some Cycling 'fans' are as much part of the problem as the riders and doctors themselves. We might as well follow WWE Wrestling. Who cares what is real and what is not as long as its entertaining

 

[SuperWiggo]

I love that you talk about it as if you're his doctor

Your point: His performance today can't be related to anything but doping so he must've taken it too far. right

how do you explain his form this whole season? He's worse than ever + it's dauphine+ allergies

The fact that he's always bad during dauphine may be because he extracts blood around that time. But it sure doesn't explain his performance today.

His poor performance this season is because he ended the microdosing. Too much risk now, as we have seen from Diluca and Santa. The problem with that is, when he takes out the blood its from a lower existing base, hence the greater performance losses. The allergy excuse no longer works. I think he should retire.

 

[happychappy]

This is what I don't understand about some cycling fans. How can you so admire a rider for his attacking style when you freely admit that his reputation as a "great rider" was earned through doping - or at least doping better than his competition as did Armstrong.

It seems some Cycling 'fans' are as much part of the problem as the riders and doctors themselves. We might as well follow WWE Wrestling. Who cares what is real and what is not as long as its entertaining

Every single top-level elite athlete dopes. Every single one, in every sport. Now let's get back on topic.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

This is what I don't understand about some cycling fans. How can you so admire a rider for his attacking style when you freely admit that his reputation as a "great rider" was earned through doping - or at least doping better than his competition as did Armstrong.

It seems some Cycling 'fans' are as much part of the problem as the riders and doctors themselves. We might as well follow WWE Wrestling. Who cares what is real and what is not as long as its entertaining

I agree it is despicable

 

[the sceptic]

You can tell his hematocrit is low by just watching him pedal a bike? Wow, you should be somewhere trying to cure cancer with those diagnostic skills.

the sky science team gets better and better every day

marginal science gains