Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[laurel1969]

In any case, Oleg will get "only" Vuelta in his prepaid "freeride" year. But at least they don't get crappy to resort to a thrashtalk of marginal pillows and handwashing (like the sky-high doped brailsfraud's donkey-to-racehorse guys needed as an excuse for their performances in their prepaid 2 years).

Well we did get that intelligence-insulting bull about Spanish beef

Of course Oleg isn't making excuses. He doesn't have to because nobody is asking.

A cheat is a cheat. Doesn't do the sport any good fixating on one cheating rider whether it is Froome, Horner, or whoever. That is the sort of BS that has gone on for years.

 

[laurel1969]

Alberto is cleans

There is no evidence that suggests otherwise

Other than extraterrestrial Froome-beating performances AND a doping ban then no, you are right....no evidence.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Other than extraterrestrial Froome-beating performances AND a doping ban then no, you are right....no evidence.

Froome is cleans and Alberto barely beat an out of shape Froome.
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Have you read the reasoned decision? Most likely cause of the positive = supplement contamination

 

[Almeisan]

It is still odd that two that were injured are now the best. Contador expecially since Froome with broken arms could at least train on a hometrainer.

How did Contador train with his legbone split in two? I understand why it heals fast enough, but he even had an infection so antibiotics?

Doesn't make much sense.

 

[Walkman]

Froome is cleans and Alberto barely beat an out of shape Froome.
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Have you read the reasoned decision? Most likely cause of the positive = supplement contamination

Most likely or not. The blood doping theory was never ruled out and do you really think, that a guy that used to have the most sophisticated doping program in the history of sports (i.e. the Disco program) backing him, would go clean and then proceeds to break the all time climbing record for VAM?

Yeah, not buying that theory.

 

[Netserk]

Most likely or not. The blood doping theory was never ruled out and do you really think, that a guy that used to have the most sophisticated doping program in the history of sports (i.e. the Disco program) backing him, would go clean and then proceeds to break the all time climbing record for VAM?

Yeah, not buying that theory.

Do you really think a rider who almost got busted for a team program would use one the following year on a new team?

Have you heard the rumors about which riders that were on the Astana program in 2009?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Most likely or not. The blood doping theory was never ruled out and do you really think, that a guy that used to have the most sophisticated doping program in the history of sports (i.e. the Disco program) backing him, would go clean and then proceeds to break the all time climbing record for VAM?

Yeah, not buying that theory.

Agreed

I was just messing around a bit

 

[LaFlorecita]

It is still odd that two that were injured are now the best. Contador expecially since Froome with broken arms could at least train on a hometrainer.

How did Contador train with his legbone split in two? I understand why it heals fast enough, but he even had an infection so antibiotics?

Doesn't make much sense.

He trained after it had more or less healed. The infection went away soon after the wound was reopened and cleaned again.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Seemed to me that Contador and Froome re-upped on the same day. Huge increase in performance. Lagos de Covadonga suits them both and they were average as fu ck there. And it's not like they need hard stages to perform either - as I saw someone mention in one of the race threads.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Seemed to me that Contador and Froome re-upped on the same day. Huge increase in performance. Lagos de Covadonga suits them both and they were average as fu ck there. And it's not like they need hard stages to perform either - as I saw someone mention in one of the race threads.

No they don't need a hard stage to perform. But could it not be that Rodriguez and Valverde suffer much more (relatively) on a multi-mountain stage compared to Froome and Contador, which is why they managed to drop them? In other words, it's not a increase in performance by them, but a decrease in performace for the other 2.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

No they don't need a hard stage to perform. But could it not be that Rodriguez and Valverde suffer much more (relatively) on a multi-mountain stage compared to Froome and Contador, which is why they managed to drop them? In other words, it's not a increase in performance by them, but a decrease in performace for the other 2.

Maybe those two are overraced, as well, but the difference was a bit much, IMO.

Rodriguez seemed to be doing fine in multi mountain stages in the Tour last year. Alpe d'Huez in under 40 minutes without much help and without going full gas the whole time because Quintana was wheel sucking like no tomorrow.

Yesterday's stage wasn't raced particularly hard until the last climb, save for the usual fast start. I'd expect some differences between the riders, but not this much. If Contador's form is so-so he's also more likely to drop time on hard stages (Galibier, etc.), but he was seemingly almost back to Dauphine shape.

 

[Gavandope]

I don't believe in the miracles I'm seeing from so far from Alberto but he's dazzling all with his usual panache on the bike.

Froome seems more normal, he just hasn't got the gears of last year to compete with MR incredible to me. Like an athlete recovering from breaking a bone at the TDF should.

 

[Bratam]

I haven't been in the clinic for a while but decided to pop in and see what the talk is on Alberto Contador.

I believe that last year was the first time we have seen Alberto Contador riding clean or at least relatively clean. Unable to keep up with clean guys like Lauren's Ten Dam and Bauke Mollema, last years results were extremely humbling for Alberto.

Was a former champion going to get used to being middle of the pack ? A lot would have went through Alberto's mind at the back end of 2013. If he had a mediocre year again in 2014, then it would be too late to get back on the juice in 2015 (simply because it would have too damn obvious to everyone). And also his legacy of GT victories would be under serious threat (even though it already was after his 2013 results).

I had suspected that Alberto would be going back to his old tricks for 2014. Sure enough Alberto's results from the beginning of the season have been just as I had expected and feared. Perhaps Alberto has found a breakthrough in his training program ? For my money, I have a strong suspicion that Alberto has been back on the juice since the start of the season. To me it was a very predictable scenario for Alberto. He was never going to settle for the same results as 2013. Alberto has never liked coming 2nd, let alone 5th or 20th. But that is just my opinion.

I will now continue reading through the last 50 or 100 pages.

 

[Bratam]

Why's this thread so inactive?

You're not bloody wrong. I am quite shocked tbh. I thought I would need to read 100-200 pages to catch up on the thread. But just a couple of pages since July !

 

[LaFlorecita]

LOL if you think Alberto was clean in 2013

 

[MBotero]

Seemed to me that Contador and Froome re-upped on the same day. Huge increase in performance. Lagos de Covadonga suits them both and they were average as fu ck there. And it's not like they need hard stages to perform either - as I saw someone mention in one of the race threads.

I don't think so,it looked this way because of Purito and Valverde who faded so hard.The discrepancy was so big that it put Contador and Froome on the spotlight.
And since is Contador thread i don't find his performances this Vuelta so unbelievable as people makes them,that of course if you ignore the"broken leg" B.S.Au contraire ,this Vuelta Contador was kinda average,same as Froome.

 

[Gavandope]

Alberto is cleans

There is no evidence that suggests otherwise

There was absolutely no DEHP detected when he accidentally spiked himself with beef a stupid cow ate that was juiced with Clembuterol

After being away for a few weeks I too am surprised there's not a couple of hundred more posts about how the miracle man is performing in his home race!

 

[coinneach]

Maybe those two are overraced, as well, but the difference was a bit much, IMO.

Rodriguez seemed to be doing fine in multi mountain stages in the Tour last year. Alpe d'Huez in under 40 minutes without much help and without going full gas the whole time because Quintana was wheel sucking like no tomorrow.

Yesterday's stage wasn't raced particularly hard until the last climb, save for the usual fast start. I'd expect some differences between the riders, but not this much. If Contador's form is so-so he's also more likely to drop time on hard stages (Galibier, etc.), but he was seemingly almost back to Dauphine shape.

Mondays stage not hard?
4000 + meters of climbing
The last hill went on and up for ever.
Some hills suits some riders more than others.....Monday did not suit Valv&JRod and they knew it.
What is hard for those 2 isn't necessarily so hard for Froome, and visa versa.
Contador in a different class though.

 

[Walkman]

Do you really think a rider who almost got busted for a team program would use one the following year on a new team?

Or that's just what he would do seeing as how easy the spanish riders got off…

Either way, Levi got Johan to set up the program for the Tour, do you believe Contador was the only clean rider on the dirtiest team in the peloton?

And add to that, that Contador climbed like never before, rivaling a jet fueled Rasmussen and smashing Basso and Armstrong's times, do you think that is possible without a top notch program?

Have you heard the rumors about which riders that were on the Astana program in 2009?

No, but I assume you are going to tell me it was everyone but Contador?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Double-posting this:

According to Veloclinic's model, Froome and Contador went alien.

http://veloclinic.tumblr.com/post/96991635593/fast-climb-fast-analysis-vuelta-stage-16

If I read it right, Veloclinic is cautious about the validity of his model on shorter climbs.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Mondays stage not hard?
4000 + meters of climbing
The last hill went on and up for ever.
Some hills suits some riders more than others.....Monday did not suit Valv&JRod and they knew it.
What is hard for those 2 isn't necessarily so hard for Froome, and visa versa.
Contador in a different class though.

The last climb was nothing special, other than Sky's brutal pace and Contador and Froome destroying what was left of the field. They more or less soft-pedaled the climbs that were actually hard. Sure they did have those climbs in the legs, but it wasn't one of the most brutal stages of the past couple years, or anything close to that. Daniel Martin being the 6th best GC rider on the stage is a testament to that. He'd be nowhere in a proper queen stage of a Tour or Giro. Same for Gesink and Sanchez.

I expected Contador to be better than Valverde and them, but not by this much. It's one of his trademark "resurrections," IMO, which by the way happen in stages of medium difficulty as well. (Gap, Fuente Dé). If he's not in great form he actually struggles in the hardest stages. Until he suddenly finds most of his form again and off he goes. Last year he probably played it a lot safer, as he never had any such resurrection in the Tour, or anywhere else. Since that didn't work out, he more than likely felt like he had to change his approach. Froome may also want to focus more on his off-season prep. There's not much that these guys wouldn't do in order to win, IMO. I don't mind at all - it's much more entertaining that way.

 

[Netserk]

Or that's just what he would do seeing as how easy the spanish riders got off…

Either way, Levi got Johan to set up the program for the Tour, do you believe Contador was the only clean rider on the dirtiest team in the peloton?

And add to that, that Contador climbed like never before, rivaling a jet fueled Rasmussen and smashing Basso and Armstrong's times, do you think that is possible without a top notch program?



No, but I assume you are going to tell me it was everyone but Contador?

Of course he wasn't clean in 2007, but I do think he was on his own program, not the Disco one. Popo and Levi were both obviously on the team program.

 

[Walkman]

Of course he wasn't clean in 2007, but I do think he was on his own program, not the Disco one. Popo and Levi were both obviously on the team program.

Just curious, why do you think Popo and Levi was "obviously" on the team program while Contador had his own?

Didn't Tyler thought us that non-dopers was not welcome in the elite club at Disco?

 

[Energy Starr]

How about this for a conspiracy theory? I believe AC wasn't on the Disco program in 2009 because LA wasn't going to have it. Lance never intended to work for AC and never intended for AC to have a shot at the race. I think AC had his own program from the moment he knew LA was coming back, if not before.

 

[BYOP88]

How about this for a conspiracy theory? I believe AC wasn't on the Disco program in 2009 because LA wasn't going to have it. Lance never intended to work for AC and never intended for AC to have a shot at the race. I think AC had his own program from the moment he knew LA was coming back, if not before.

I agree with this. There's no way that Armstrong and Contador were on the same program. Sure they might have done the same stuff but Armstrong came back to win, not finish as 1st loser or worse.