Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[goggalor]

Obviously. Contador has doped his entire career and will continue to do so if he wants to keep dominating.

As for Hesjedal's Giro win showing races can be won clean: Doesn't that also imply that the other contenders are clean? Blood doping is such a huge advantage in a GT that I still can't see how you can win against charged riders.

Or maybe you can only get away with such a small amount of doping these days that the advantage isn't that huge, and perhaps that f***s up the habitual dopers' preparation. I'd like that.

 

[LaFlorecita]

An interesting sub question to this would be, if no one doped, would Contador still be the best rider in the world?

Yes of course.

 

[hrotha]

To be fair, don't most riders start in the autobus and then improve? I feel that Wiggins doesn't dope, and would by no means would I be surprised if I found out he did, but surely a rider winning races straight off the bat would be more of an indication of doping?

Well, no. Some riders do struggle at first until they find their place in the peloton, but they typically show glimpses of their talent early on. That was the case of Wiggins and time-trialing on the road, since he did well in some ITTs from the beginning of his career on the road and kept improving until by 2007 he was a pretty reliable time-trialist (not world class, though; funny that his time-trialing got even better as he lost weight). But Wiggins was 29 by the time he proved he could so much as get over a mountain ahead of the autobus. He had never showed any climbing talent whatsoever.

 

[JA.Tri]

An interesting sub question to this would be, if no one doped, would Contador still be the best rider in the world?

Like (the concept) but hard to put into concrete form.

Unfortunately...is Alberto a hyper responder?? (assuming he was/is charging)

Are any of the other good GC riders hypo responders??(again...assuming they all charge)

Which of the non-doped riders (assuming some of the peloton don't charge) is the best GC rider?

ps No

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Because fraudulent certificates are believed to be common. Everybody has a certificate for asthma, naturally high hematocrit, or what have you. Riccò for example had one for high hematocrit.

Ricco was probably on CERA when they started testing him OOC often enough to prevent EPO use beyond micro-dosing. The introduction of the CERA test should have exposed adequately tested pro riders with fraudulent Hb/Hct certificates. Unless there was an alternative to CERA they could switch to right away.

 

[airstream]

An interesting sub question to this would be, if no one doped, would Contador still be the best rider in the world?

Very likely. Although, it strongly depends on how his organism adjusts to a clean riding. It took Cunego 2-3 years to become just a classic rider suddenly but then again remember that he can ride GT for GC. It could have the only explanation - a blood doping.

Having seen how Il Killer was caught for the 2nd (or 3rd?) time, no doubt Contador will bluff. If he gets caught once again, UCI will let him come back however it will already be on the level of Di Luca nowadays.

 

[ElChingon]

For racing excitement sake I just hope he comes back with the attacking style and ability to do that, most ex-dopers come back in a state of pack fill mentality and never show themselves in a race, with one exception (flash back to earlier this year, but don't post it here as he does not deserve to be involved in this section of the forum).

So don't think it matters at this point if he is or if he's not just that he puts the race back in racing.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

My guess is his doping regime is close to complete for the year now so I'm not sure how to answer the poll question

 

[Caruut]

My guess is his doping regime is close to complete for the year now so I'm not sure how to answer the poll question

The original question is quite biased. Personally, I think of "juiced up" as really going hard on the dope. I think Alberto and the people around him are too clever to do that, it'd be too suspicious. All the same, I don't believe he'll be 100% clean, just like I don't believe his rivals are.

 

[Publicus]

A better question is will he stop beating his wife?

In all seriousness, I think he will be as clean as he was in the 2011 Giro and 2011 TdF.

 

[FignonLeGrand]

An interesting sub question to this would be, if no one doped, would Contador still be the best rider in the world?

Yes most probably. The clinic logic states anyone who wins a race is doped, ergo all winners dope. So as the best winner he would still be the best.

 

[Polish]

The answer will become obvious upon his return to racing.

If he is still strong, it's obvious he is still doped to the gills duh.

If he is not so strong, it's obvious he is now clean - and all his previous results were doped.

FWIW, I voted "yes".
Bang Bang pull my finger Bang

 

[Havetts]

In all seriousness, I think he will be as clean as he was in the 2011 Giro and 2011 TdF.

So he'll suddenly go from riding and being dropped to holy shi- dropping everyone bar two after refill day?

My bet is that he'll try to get as much time as possible as a 'revenge', pretty sure he'll be charging but mostlikely not to the max.

 

[Publicus]

So he'll suddenly go from riding and being dropped to holy shi- dropping everyone bar two after refill day?

My bet is that he'll try to get as much time as possible as a 'revenge', pretty sure he'll be charging but mostlikely not to the max.

What?!?!? Dropped when? Surely you aren't talking about the slight gapping on the uphill sprint finish in the Giro. If so that's just silly. He wasn't dropped. Otherwise, I can't imagine what you mean by that reference.

EDIT: Also, the first rest day was AFTER the Etna stage.

 

[The Hitch]

What?!?!? Dropped when? Surely you aren't talking about the slight gapping on the uphill sprint finish in the Giro. If so that's just silly. He wasn't dropped. Otherwise, I can't imagine what you mean by that reference.

EDIT: Also, the first rest day was AFTER the Etna stage.

I think havetts is talking about the tour and how contador brought the pain on stage 16, the day after the rest day, was it not.

 

[Maxiton]

The original question is quite biased. Personally, I think of "juiced up" as really going hard on the dope. I think Alberto and the people around him are too clever to do that, it'd be too suspicious. All the same, I don't believe he'll be 100% clean, just like I don't believe his rivals are.

This.

A better question is will he stop beating his wife?

In all seriousness, I think he will be as clean as he was in the 2011 Giro and 2011 TdF.

He beats his wife?

 

[pedaling squares]

How do those performances "prove" races can be won clean, unless you can prove that those riders are 100% clean.

Also was this not exactly what was being said about Lance 13 years ago?

Yes, very true. But much of that came from media and businesses on our side of the pond. I believe that was the year of the collective palms-to-foreheads in the TDF media tent when Lance sprinted up Sestrieres.

Ok, on topic. Hell yes, he's going to run the same formula that brought him fame, fortune, and many victories. Leopard... spots...

There are no alligations against Evans nor Hesjedal. You're being perfectly logic. If i have to i'll make alligations against Wiggins personally just so you can't use the freaking argument anymore

Don't be bringing the alligations, I'm scared of alligations. Damn well near as bad as crococisms. Keep that sh*t to yourself.

 

[LaFlorecita]

He beats his wife?

Yes it's normal in Spain.













No of course not He is a good man.

 

[peloton]

Probably, just like the rest of the peloton.

Still look forward to seeing him back.

 

[Jeremiah]

Play to the gallery all you like to get a bit of publicity. That what you do when you can't back up your comments. I will ask you directly what allegation or rumour you have against him?

I don't want to hear the usual "autobus to 4th" nonsense. This time it would be a good idea to back up your statements with facts but I don't know if you have heard of that before. So tell me then? And this time I would like an answer?

You have a doping only attitude when you see a rider with an improved performance and won't accept anything else. Again what a sad state of affairs.

Wigans looks like he was just released from the Gulag and you think he's clean. Oh, ok!

How is Contedor going to have a chance against Evens if he's not prepared? He'll either cheat or loose badly.

 

[Maxiton]

Wigans looks like he was just released from the Gulag and you think he's clean. Oh, ok!

How is Contedor going to have a chance against Evens if he's not prepared? He'll either cheat or loose badly.

Yes. And if he can't even beat the Evens, he'll be hopeless against the Odds.

 

[Publicus]

This.



He beats his wife?

No, of course not, but I was making a snarky comment about the nature of the question.

 

[Publicus]

I think havetts is talking about the tour and how contador brought the pain on stage 16, the day after the rest day, was it not.

I don't think that's right, but I can see him making references to the Tour more so than the Giro--even then I don't think there was a magical revival of his performance. Point was/is, AC was under the microscope in a major way during each of those races. I doubt he'll be under any greater scrutiny when he returns, or any less. He'll be a 10/10 (using the UCI system) going forward.

 

[cycladianpirate]

Best guess - I think he might actually 'go clean'.

It is at least possible that, in Contador's mind, he was doing the absolute 'bare minimum' in order to remain competitive. That is to say, juicing yes, but not juicing anywhere near as much as others in the peloton.

To have been caught out while others with, what he may have considered to be far worse track records got away with it, would certainly explain the, I believe, genuine shock and outrage he demonstrated in the aftermath of the positive finding.

It's just a hunch, but I really believe he may adopt a 'sod it' mentality and vow to beat the others absolutely clean even while he knows full well what's going on around him.

It's just a possibility, of course, but to single out Contador as a 'prime offender' in this caper is laughable. But not quite as laughable as to single out other riders as 'total innocents'.

 

[sniper]

Best guess - I think he might actually 'go clean'.
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To have been caught out while others with, what he may have considered to be far worse track records got away with it, would certainly explain the, I believe, genuine shock and outrage he demonstrated in the aftermath of the positive finding.

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It's just a possibility, of course, but to single out Contador as a 'prime offender' in this caper is laughable. But not quite as laughable as to single out other riders as 'total innocents'.

I say you're not a real pirate: pirates where one eyepatch only, you're clearly wearing two.

"genuine shock and outrage": as in "I'll quit pro-cycling if I get banned"?. Almost as genuine as Lance's outrage versus Kimmage..

and who's singling out other riders as 'total innocents'?