Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[LaFlorecita]

So Terrados had nothing to do with the Madrilene hospital were the cerebral cavernoma was found.

Guess that conspiracy theory can be put to pasture?

Yes

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

No don't worry I can read Spanish.


Aaah I see...

Alberto was taken to the hospital in Oviedo, was diagnosed with a broken jaw and after ten days he was allowed to go home. Then in Pinto, Madrid, two weeks later, he again had a seizure and was brought to a hospital in Madrid, where they found out there was something in his brains. First they thought it was a tumor, but after further investigation they discovered it was a cerebral cavernoma.

Sometimes it's good to know the whole history of a rider

That is strange, given this:
http://elpais.com/diario/2004/05/14/deportes/1084485609_850215.html

''FRIDAY , 14 May 2004
Double resurrection
The demonstration of a brain aneurysm during the race caused the severe drop Contador in Asturias, in which nearly swallowed his tongue
CARLOS ARRIBAS Madrid 14 MAY 2004

Many fans are running old Alberto Contador (Pinto, Madrid, December 6, 1982) and immediately recall the young Perico Delgado. Observe your body lean climber, 1.76 meters, 59 kilos, he still in the race, his tireless demarrajes, his brash, persistence, and again in the Tour of Aragon, in the Paris-Nice in the Setmana Catalan, in Rioja ... Alberto Contador has class. He also knows his body squeeze in the time trials. It also has head. Tour is a man. He dreams of the Tour. He wants to win the Tour one year. The best day of his life, he thought, was April 1 that Manolo Saiz, director at Liberty, said that this year will debut in the Tour. Before yesterday, Wednesday, without however , when he learned that he had saved his life twice, Alberto Contador perhaps changed his mind.

Contador writhed, convulsed, on the bike. He lost control, went off to one side, fell
David Navas, Illes Balears rider-Banesto, was at his side. Speeding down Infiesto road by the 40th kilometer of the first stage of the Tour of Asturias when suddenly saw that Contador Navas began to writhe, convulse, on the bike. He lost control, went sideways, fell with a thud to the floor. Chin tremendous blow. He was unconscious, continued to suffer seizures, as if he suffered a seizure. He began to swallow his tongue, to suffocate. I was about to die when the doctor came to the race, Santiago Zubizarreta, and prevented it by sticking in your mouth Guedel tube, curved cannula to prevent the tongue, in its inexorable march into the esophagus, not continue obstructing airways. In the ambulance that took him to the Hospital Central de Asturias, Oviedo, Contador regained consciousness, but not memory.

The consequences of the fall were minimal, body and paint, they say cyclists: a fracture of the zygomatic bone erosions and facial injuries and a small brain hemorrhage that resolved well-and little concern, but not the causes. To investigate immediately got Asturian hospital neurosurgeons.

Yesterday, Contador, scared because your family has a history of problems with his brother brain-newborn suffered a stroke, he woke up in a better mood, even ate solid and subjected to all kinds of tests: angiography, MRI, scanners. ... Ruled almost start a seizure-counter has never suffered an attack-and in the absence of confirmatory testing to be carried out within 48 hours, the doctors concluded, according to the Liberty, Contador suffers, genetically, a brain aneurysm and that seizures, fortunately, was the way it was expressed.

An aneurysm is the dilation of a cerebral artery, which grow in size to compress the rest of the brain causing unbearable headaches, nausea, vomiting, convulsions, tremors. If not detected early, ends up giving dilated artery and burst, causing a hemorrhage often fatal. The decline that followed the seizure allowed doctors carefully examine the brain, discover the aneurysm, save, almost certainly, life.

Contador yesterday had not taken any decision on the future treatment of the anomaly, but if you choose surgery, the aneurysm is usually solved with a bypass of the artery, a plastic ring that prevents the blood around the area long-nothing indicates that it may be re-cycling, do remember the old to the young Perico Delgado, to attack and attack until withstand legs, to keep dreaming of the Tour, but perhaps because of the fall that saved her life have to defer for one year its discovery.''

New light?

 

[sniper]

Terrados, jailed in 1998 for juicing ONCE (though later released for lack of evidence) and explicitly mentioned by Zülle as having administrated EPO to ONCE riders, puts his hand in fire for Contador:
http://www.diariojaen.es/index.php/...colas-terrados-defiende-qa-muerteq-a-contador

“Por Alberto Contador pongo la mano en el fuego debido a su excelente trayectoria y comportamiento deportivo”, asegura. El jiennense está en contra de las teorías que han relacionado al tres veces ganador del Tour de Francia con el clembuterol. “Es una sustancia que se detecta muy fácilmente y Contador es una persona que se somete a todo tipo de controles por las numerosas carreras en las que participa. Además, le relacionan con el positivo en una jornada de descanso del Tour de Francia y lo desvelan mucho tiempo después de concluir la carrera”, afirma con claridad.

too bad UCI, WADA and CAS thought differently.

 

[sniper]

So Terrados had nothing to do with the Madrilene hospital were the cerebral cavernoma was found.

Guess that conspiracy theory can be put to pasture?

I'm confused. Check out this blog,
http://ciclismo2005.blogspot.de/2007_03_01_archive.html
This sentence seems crucial, but i'm having trouble deciphering it:

Certificado médico del que también dispone Contador, para tratar su archiconocido cavernoma cerebral, el mismo del que fue tratado pioneramente por Nicolás Terrados en el Hospital Central de Asturias en mayo de 2004. Si hombre, Nicolás Terrados, el médico de la ONCE hasta 1998, y que tras besar el calabozo francés se acojonó tanto que se reincorporó a la menos remunerativa vida de interno hospitalario, pero sin riesgo de acabar en el trullo.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Hm strange, seems like I was wrong. I still don't believe your conspiracy theory though.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

What is certain is he has a big TUE because of it. It's a shame my Spanish is so bad, English cyclingnews doesn't have much info.

Hm strange, seems like I was wrong. I still don't believe your conspiracy theory though.

It is not a theory. Just searching, when Terrados name shows up, anywhere, you must have a bell ringing as anti - dope crusader

 

[LaFlorecita]

I think it is disgusting especially considering the condition of his little brother. There's obviously something wrong in his family.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Exactly as wished by me yesterday: Beaten hard, devastating and mortifyingly...

 

[the big ring]

Exactly as wished by me yesterday: Beaten hard, devastating and mortifyingly...

Fat lady ain't even had breakfast yet

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

That´s true. But i have to enjoy it now while i can. Until the fat lady sung...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I heard Contador said he had cramps at the finish. Maybe he is lying here as well. He has good history of it. I hope he does'nt win a tap for the rest of his career.

That would be too good.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Exactly as wished by me yesterday: Beaten hard, devastating and mortifyingly...

Yeah it was hilarious.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Yeah it was hilarious.

You´ll get over it...
Sorry for you today.... I know you don´t want that.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I think it is disgusting especially considering the condition of his little brother. There's obviously something wrong in his family.

You could ask the question why this family disease was not accounted for by the medical staff of ONCE and Liberty Seguros at that time.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You could ask the question why this family disease was not accounted for by the medical staff of ONCE and Liberty Seguros at that time.

Maybe it was.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Are you seriously saying he made it all up? His little brother can walk and speak and acts like any normal 23 year old? And any other family members that died because of it are also made up, or they're just still alive?

 

[Franklin]

You could ask the question why this family disease was not accounted for by the medical staff of ONCE and Liberty Seguros at that time.

In all fairness, that medical staff is especially there for preparing riders (I know, I know), keeping them health etc. Afflictions of the brain won't be their primary specialty.

My own doctor is fully graduated and good medical operator... but he is specialized in mundane stuff and when he doesn't has a clue he will send you through to the specialist.

And to drive this one home: my faith in the true medical expertise of team doctors is tiny. I'm not surprised if they fail to do a proper diagnosis on these issues.

Not saying AC is clean, but his affliction was almost certainly real. as I said in other cases; no need to go into conspiracy theories when the more mundane evidence is already overpowering.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Are you seriously saying he made it all up? His little brother can walk and speak and acts like any normal 23 year old? And any other family members that died because of it are also made up, or they're just still alive?

Your words, not mine.

In all fairness, that medical staff is especially there for preparing riders (I know, I know), keeping them health etc. Afflictions of the brain won't be their primary specialty.

My own doctor is fully graduated and good medical operator... but he is specialized in mundane stuff and when he doesn't has a clue he will send you through to the specialist.

And to drive this one home: my faith in the true medical expertise of team doctors is tiny. I'm not surprised if they fail to do a proper diagnosis on these issues.

Not saying AC is clean, but his affliction was almost certainly real. as I said in other cases; no need to go into conspiracy theories when the more mundane evidence is already overpowering.

I am not disputing he has some kind of illness. What interests me is when I prescribe to a health insurance the first question is 'are there heredatary diseases in your family?. I find it odd that in pro-racing (athletes who have to dig so deep they literally have to puke) this question seems not to be asked. A well respected man like Inigo San Millan (who did his testing) should have asked that question imho, if he did and he knew of the family disease that would be a serious scratch on his palmares letting young Alberto riding his bike.

I do find it a coincidence that Terrados was in some kind of position at the Oviedo hospital but we'll let that go, for now.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Your words, not mine.

I am not disputing he has some kind of illness. What interests me is when I prescribe to a health insurance the first question is 'are there heredatary diseases in your family?. I find it odd that in pro-racing (athletes who have to dig so deep they literally have to puke) this question seems not to be asked. A well respected man like Inigo San Millan (who did his testing) should have asked that question imho, if he did and he knew of the family disease that would be a serious scratch on his palmares letting young Alberto riding his bike.

I do find it a coincidence that Terrados was in some kind of position at the Oviedo hospital but we'll let that go, for now.

You are still going on and on with your conspiracy theory (I don't even know what point you're trying to make) while as Franklin said there is a positive test as evidence! Stick with the facts and don't try to make up ****.

By the way the bolded is BS, a lot of people have the same thing in their brains but don't even know about it because they never have any problems with it. So it would be BS to stop Alberto from racing.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

You are still going on and on with your conspiracy theory (I don't even know what point you're trying to make) while as Franklin said there is a positive test as evidence! Stick with the facts and don't try to make up ****.

Okay:

My opinion may be biased.

You have serious comprehension problems when you don't understand this:

''I am not disputing he has some kind of illness. What interests me is when I prescribe to a health insurance the first question is 'are there heredatary diseases in your family?. I find it odd that in pro-racing (athletes who have to dig so deep they literally have to puke) this question seems not to be asked. A well respected man like Inigo San Millan (who did his testing) should have asked that question imho, if he did and he knew of the family disease that would be a serious scratch on his palmares letting young Alberto riding his bike.''

Where is the conspiracy? Legit questions in my book.

By the way the bolded is BS, a lot of people have the same thing in their brains but don't even know about it because they never have any problems with it. So it would be BS to stop Alberto from racing.

Okay, again noted, espescially the BS part.

His little brother can walk and speak and acts like any normal 23 year old? And any other family members that died because of it are also made up, or they're just still alive?

When this is known by people who have to declare a rider fit to race you could ask the question wheter this was a good decision? That's all I am asking.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Okay, again noted, espescially the BS part.

When this is known by people who have to declare a rider fit to race you could ask the question wheter this was a good decision? That's all I am asking.

That is all hindsight talking. Fact is that it doesn't give any trouble to the majority of the people who have it.

And I don't know if it was known that he had this in his family, hell I'm not even sure the family itself knew it.

 

[hrotha]

He still has to take medication and undergo periodic medical checks, right? And yet he's allowed to race now. Not a stretch to imagine they'd let him race back then before it happened even if they knew about the potential problem.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

That is all hindsight talking. Fact is that it doesn't give any trouble to the majority of the people who have it.

And I don't know if it was known that he had this in his family, hell I'm not even sure the family itself knew it.

Wait a minute, didn't u say:

Are you seriously saying he made it all up? His little brother can walk and speak and acts like any normal 23 year old? And any other family members that died because of it are also made up, or they're just still alive?

When such hereditary diseases are overlooked questions should be asked.

He still has to take medication and undergo periodic medical checks, right? And yet he's allowed to race now. Not a stretch to imagine they'd let him race back then before it happened even if they knew about the potential problem.

So you send someone [pre - accident 2004 of course] on the road knowing he could get a seizure?

I know this has nothing to do with doping, so wrong department, it just amazes me.

 

[Franklin]

So you send someone [pre - accident 2004 of course] on the road knowing he could get a seizure?

Do you want to lock these people up in their house? Especially since we dont know if they get a seizure in the first place?

I have a lot to frown at with AC, but this is silly. Especially since racing a bike has nothing to do with the seizures (unlike heart conditions). Want to ban him walking a stairs, riding a car, crossing a street, using a power tool, cook at a gas furnace all because he might get a seizure one day?

I prefer it if people can live their lives with affliction instead of pushing them in an enclosure.

 

[Blakeslee]

Contador at the Vuelta Post Suspension

After reading some of the Vuelta thread it strikes me how much Contador fans continue to live in denial about his performance. Sure, it is possible Contador is not back to top form due to a lack of race fitness after his six month ban. That being said you have to believe Contador has been training with a vengeance for the Vuelta. Winning this race would be Contador's chance to vindicate himself and continue to argue he has been clean all along and was unjustly suspended.

What seems more likely is we are seeing what a clean Contador looks like. Contador has been very good and still animating the race with aggressive attacks, but has not been able to ride away with the kinds of explosive attacks we have seen from him in past grand tours. I don't think we'll be seeing these kinds of attacks from Contador or anyone else if they are truly riding clean.

It's only been one race so far so time will tell. So far Contador has looked much like other star riders we have seen coming back from suspension (Basso, Vino, Millar etc), still competitive but certainly not at pre-suspension level.