Windy Mountain

[thehog]

I knew an American sprinter in the 80s who said that he crashed once, and was going so fast that the sparks from his bike actually lit the paint and the tires on fire...

Mayo's steel cranks are in the same category of story...

Yes, possible, some folk law in all of this.

That sad part of that amazing day in cycling history is France 2 wouldn't show the ITT live. Its on tape somewhere with only about 15 minutes even see the light of day.

It will go down in history with the Zapruder film as lost achieves.

 

[Eshnar]

I am not goint to translate

If you aren't, then leave the post in the Spanish forum...
I understand when people leave small sentences in their original language, but a whole post? If you're here to make a point, then at least do it in a language everyone can understand.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

If you aren't, then leave the post in the Spanish forum...
I understand when people leave small sentences in their original language, but a whole post? If you're here to make a point, then at least do it in a language everyone can understand.

Eshnar,now now... your are being rude, you are a mod and you should translate it for him. .

 

[Eshnar]

Eshnar,now now... your are being rude, you are a mod and you should translate it for him. .

Translators are paid

 

[Netserk]

If you aren't, then leave the post in the Spanish forum...
I understand when people leave small sentences in their original language, but a whole post? If you're here to make a point, then at least do it in a language everyone can understand.

Does that also count for his 'English'?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Does that also count for his 'English'?

Nyet .

 

[Eshnar]

Back on topic before it gets out of hand, thanks.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Windy Ventoux http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZRsLrRaCqY

 

[Taxus4a]

If you aren't, then leave the post in the Spanish forum...
I understand when people leave small sentences in their original language, but a whole post? If you're here to make a point, then at least do it in a language everyone can understand.

the spanish part wanst important, seconds and names are the same in spanish, the important things I translated.

Detele only the spanish part, you deleted more.

 

[roundabout]

I forgot, was there link to the original post in Spanish?

 

[Eshnar]

I forgot, was there link to the original post in Spanish?

no, it was just copied and pasted

 

[roundabout]

no, it was just copied and pasted

yeah, I noticed that I have a window with the unedited post still open

probably this post is the original

http://www.elforo.de/exeurosport/viewtopic.php?t=282&start=45&sid=39026939f00377991bb5036b007becc6

 

[the sceptic]

thomaswire ‏@thomaswire 33m

TdF2013 stage 15 : ten Dam became KOM on Mt Ventoux climb. Spinloose gives us a significant headwind on this day http://spinloose.co.uk/segment_weat...591&gender=&currentURL=&segid=#segment_result … 1/2

Just saw this on twitter.. headwind from Chalet apparently.

 

[red_flanders]

Just saw this on twitter.. headwind from Chalet apparently.

Hysterical.

 

[Race Radio]

Just saw this on twitter.. headwind from Chalet apparently.

Yup, side/headwind from the Chalet is pretty clear in all the videos. That would mean the majority of the climb had a tailwind.

Thanks for proving my point

 

[Race Radio]

Hysterical.

It is pretty hysterical that he picked out 5 km of a 21 km and ignore the majority of the climb

Check out what happens when you enter the entire climb for the day

http://spinloose.co.uk/segment_weat...segments/3988591&segid=3988591#segment_result

Tailwind

Great site Skeptic. Thanks for proving my point, we can finally put this to rest

 

[the sceptic]

Yup, side/headwind from the Chalet is pretty clear in all the videos. That would mean the majority of the climb had a tailwind.

Thanks for proving my point

Didnt you say 80% had a tailwind?

Seems hard to achieve with headwind the last 7 km.

 

[Netserk]

Froome's time (the one that was only 2'' from Armstrong) was of the last 15.65km, so I don't get why you use the 21km segment.

Since Chalet is a little more than 6km from the top, only the first ~9.5km was not in the headwind section. What's also clear is that the first section is very steep, protected from wind by the forest and ridden by Froome almost entirely in the wheel of a dom, so with only minimal impact from wind. The second section however is not so steep, very exposed and ridden by Froome almost entirely with his nose in the wind.

 

[Race Radio]

Didnt you say 80% had a tailwind?

Seems hard to achieve with headwind the last 7 km.

The climb is 22km. From the turn it is 6 km with lots of turns that alternate cross/head/tail. 4-5km of 22km was headwind.

Thanks for the link. It supports what I have been saying all along. Good that we can finally put this to rest.

 

[red_flanders]

It is pretty hysterical that he picked out 5 km of a 21 km and ignore the majority of the climb

Check out what happens when you enter the entire climb for the day

http://spinloose.co.uk/segment_weat...segments/3988591&segid=3988591#segment_result

Tailwind

Great site Skeptic. Thanks for proving my point, we can finally put this to rest

I'll refer you once again to this: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1331107&postcount=236

Good post, Red.

 

[the sceptic]

You're being silly. The facts, as measured by the instruments at weather stations surrounding Ventoux (Bedoin, Sault, Malaucene) put the wind at anywhere between North and North-West.

To have the winds one or two kilometers away blowing in the exact opposite direction is somewhere between absurd to impossible.

Beliefs need to conform to reality. No matter what I, you, or anyone else want to believe, the winds were blowing from the north. This puts the *average* prevailing wind at a crosswind on the lower slopes and a headwind on the upper slopes.

John Swanson

This is so silly. Human perception (measuring wind via subtle video clues) is crap. I've spent several years, recently, studying human perception of visual stimulus as part of my work responsibilities. It's generally awful when it comes to precision. I sincerely doubt anybody could pick wind direction due to a video that is in the same plane as the indicator (i.e., watching a flag).

Weather instrumentation, with fantastic precision and accuracy, say the wind was coming anywhere from north to north-west at roughly 20 km/hr. The features of the mountain could have shifted that from N-NW to a westerly wind, but that's about it.

No matter what we perceive, or would like to think, we must accept that the wind was coming from the north that day.

John Swanson

Unless you have a weather station with the proper meteorological equipment. Then it's dead simple. Such weather stations surrounding Ventoux (i.e., Malaucene, Bedoin, Sault) all reported N-NW winds at 20 km/hr at the time of the race.

Effects of the mountain slopes would have - at best - put the winds coming from the west. Look at a map and you will see that this makes a tailwind coming into Bedoin, a cross-wind in the forest, and a headwind past Chalet Reynaud.

This is actual data from real, live instruments. No eyeballing it from a video. Not sure why there's any debate.

John Swanson

Good posts John Swanson.

 

[Netserk]

The climb is 22km. From the turn it is 6 km with lots of turns that alternate cross/head/tail. 4-5km of 22km was headwind.

Thanks for the link. It supports what I have been saying all along. Good that we can finally put this to rest.

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/356897718540582912

Note the distance mentioned.

 

[Race Radio]

Froome's time (the one that was only 2'' from Armstrong) was of the last 15.65km, so I don't get why you use the 21km segment.
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Yes, I do think having a tailwind for the majority of the climb, and the run in to Bedoin, does effect how fresh the riders are in the last 5km. Not sure why anyone would think that it didn't.

Some have tried to twist what I have written. I have said many times Froome's attacks that day were mutant.....but the variables make it hard to use the climb for normal calculations. I, and many others, prefer the Semnoz.

I do think Ventoux showed Froome might be a bit better climber then Quintana. From that I think we can deduce that if he did not have a bad day on Alp d'Huez or did not already have the Tour wrapped up on the Semnoz he could have put out some crazy numbers on climbs with fewer variables.

 

[Race Radio]

I'll refer you once again to this: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1331107&postcount=236

Good post, Red.

please, take some time to look at a map and read what was actually written instead of what some obsessed troll writes.

Thanks

 

[the sceptic]

please, take some time to look at a map and read what was actually written instead of what some obsessed troll writes.

Thanks

Im not sure why it is so important to you that there was a tailwind for 80% of the climb. But it seems impossible to me with the wind coming from the north.