Libertine Seguros said:Oh brother, here we go again.
followed by long, sensible post on how stupid all these chauvinistic arguments are
+1000. really, nothing more need be said on this topic. I don't get why people are so worked up about this.
Libertine Seguros said:Oh brother, here we go again.
followed by long, sensible post on how stupid all these chauvinistic arguments are
fatandfast said:beats her at what? Are they both aware that they are racing each other? I know the answer. Vos can punish a huge number of men. I think you should put you and your friends claims on youtube with some name and face association. Many Dutch destroyers will take up your claim and your non training friend may find that the possession of a penis doesn't mean you are fast.
When Armstrong started I am sure he was amazed at just how astonishing Team Lycra was, Berglund,Meister and Golay bringing rides to the redline with elite studs from all disciplines,from MTB to Ironmen the speeds were very,very high on those Wednesdays.Maybe Horner will chime in about Sorrento Valley or Otay training crits, female riders were in the mix. I would take a Twigg or Furtado over your pal in a man vs woman race.
silverrocket said:Whether a handful of individuals enjoy women's cycling or not is not really the point, is it? I thought the question was whether women cyclists deserve the same pay as men (or at least increased relative to what it is now).
I don't think they do because women don't generate nearly as much money. Cyclists don't get paid for the amount of work they do, they get paid for how much money they can generate. (through fans, sponsors, viewers, etc.).
We can say it's a catch-22, where they can't bring in the money because they don't get the exposure, but they don't get the exposure because they don't bring in the money, but this is part of the process of developing a sport. We shouldn't create "artificial interest" by overpaying them.
Let me remind you that your own first reaction in this thread was the following:Arnout said:Thanks for bringing in some sense![]()
Part of the reason I watch cycling is the extraordinariness of it and watching women cycling isn't that: I could beat them myself if I took cycling slightly seriously.
maltiv said:At the moment it's a bit ridiculous that Marianne Vos is by far the best sprinter, climber, puncheur, classics-specialist and CX rider (probably track+MTB as well) in the world. She's an amazing athlete, no doubt, but if there were more competition she obviously wouldn't be able to dominate in all those disciplines simultaneously.
El Pistolero said:I never actually stated Piemonte didn't move nor does my post imply that.I was talking about Emilia and GP Beghelli anyway.
l.
The Hitch said:Lol. The number of south Americans that watch south American cycling is probably smaller than the number of flems that watch cyclocross.
Arnout said:Some people pretend this is a human rights issue or something. It's just preferences, just like I usually skip (most of the) the cobbled classics, because I don't care about them.
El Pistolero said:But "world class rider" Carlos Betancur finished more than 2 minutes behind if I remember correctly. Henao was ninth.
All those Italian races have a rather weak field since Lombardia moved.
Anyway, I don't watch female cycling, but I don't mind if other people enjoy it.
silverrocket said:Whether a handful of individuals enjoy women's cycling or not is not really the point, is it? I thought the question was whether women cyclists deserve the same pay as men (or at least increased relative to what it is now).
I don't think they do because women don't generate nearly as much money. Cyclists don't get paid for the amount of work they do, they get paid for how much money they can generate. (through fans, sponsors, viewers, etc.).
We can say it's a catch-22, where they can't bring in the money because they don't get the exposure, but they don't get the exposure because they don't bring in the money, but this is part of the process of developing a sport. We shouldn't create "artificial interest" by overpaying them.
theyoungest said:Let me remind you that your own first reaction in this thread was the following:
Lol, talk about introducing sense. Not rating women's cycling is one thing, but saying you could beat them all if you just tried a little is ridiculous. Especially since you're never going to do it.
Ryo Hazuki said:I remember betancurt destroying your cherished gilbert though, this year![]()
The Hitch said:I knew you'd try this but no, the rider arnout was talking about was uran, not quintana nor nicky sorensenl and the Italian semi classic therefore piemonte to which you directly responded that the Italian semi classic in question was not that impressive.
And it was still the very same Italian classic 2 posts later when you tried to taint it by saying that its crap now that lombardia moved.
El Pistolero said:At the Tour of Belgium? I don't really care. I mean, Phil won the WC and Betancur finished more than 2 minutes back. That's got to sting for you doesn't it?
You know, Contador also got beaten by Leipi at San Luis. I won't lose sleep over it.
I think I'm starting to understand you: world class cycling takes place at small Belgian, Colombian and Italian races. Why don't you like female cycling then?
Read greenedge's post. He was talking about all Colombians and how they did well in Italian semi-classics. Keep trying though.
And yes, Piemonte's field will be weaker now that Lombardia moved and Milano-Torino is back on the calender. That's because it now takes place a few days after the WC. It's 1+1=2 logic.
Ryo Hazuki said:not really as you are the one having to constantly defend your riders. so it must sting you everytime someone says anything mean about gilbert, boonen, contador or any belgian
Ryo Hazuki said:it's ridiculous indeed. we also don't have 100 meter sprint for white people. just as racist/sexist that would be as womans sport.
Uh oh, Ryo has been cornered.El Pistolero said:So why do you watch Colombian cycling, but not female cycling? Oscar Sevilla is still winning race after race there yet he's not even amongst Europe's 20 best climbers. So I ask you again, why don't you watch female cycling? Stop avoiding questions.
El Pistolero said:That's because you keep posting stupid things about anything Belgian related ryo, you brought him up remember.
So why do you watch Colombian cycling, but not female cycling? Oscar Sevilla is still winning race after race there yet he's not even amongst Europe's 20 best climbers. So I ask you again, why don't you watch female cycling? Stop avoiding questions.
El Pistolero said:Read greenedge's post. He was talking about all Colombians and how they did well in Italian semi-classics. Keep trying though.
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Arnout said:Top 5 GT, medal at Olympics, Italian semi-classic wins, I call that quite good yes.
Anyway, last post from my side.
El Pistolero said:Boom's ride in Roubaix was more impressive than a win in an Italian semi-classic. Or his fifth place at the Worlds leaving all Colombians behind.
greenedge said:I agree with the Boom bit but he needs to actually podium there and all those Italian races have good finishes.
Henao did not finish that far behind Boom at the WC.El Pistolero said:.
All those Italian races have a rather weak field since Lombardia moved.
And yes, Piemonte's field will be weaker now that Lombardia moved and Milano-Torino is back on the calender. That's because it now takes place a few days after the WC. It's 1+1=2 logic
jens_attacks said:babyface sevilla i dare to say is in his best shape ever. you should be thankfull that's he's not allowed on europe soil because he would kick aszes like there is no tomorrow
El Pistolero said:So is Alexander Kristoff a world class rider now?
John Gadret was fourth in the Giro by the way.
Boom's ride in Roubaix was more impressive than a win in an Italian semi-classic. Or his fifth place at the Worlds leaving all Colombians behind.
So if you're only interested in watching the highest level in a sport like Ryo says, why would you bother watching South-American racing? It's a genuine question. I don't understand lol.
Angliru said:If you're competing at the highest level of a sport you should be considered world class.
Boom's Worlds is more impressive than the Colombian silver in the Olympics???
jens_attacks said:pistolero, next time please watch some south american racing.please
see some videos, see riders physiques,see some average speeds.
in some races, the level is mid 90's europe. they fly on every race.50 km/h for hours on flat,25 km/h uphill on beast of a climbs. not women cycling exactly lol.
babyface sevilla i dare to say is in his best shape ever. you should be thankfull that's he's not allowed on europe soil because he would kick aszes like there is no tomorrow.
but the comparison colombian cycling/women cycling is straight ridiculous.
gustienordic said:I would watch womens cycling if they showed it more, but its just like womens nordic: the winner wins by over a minute, while in guys someone wins by the length of a boot. Its less exciting to see the same people dominate every single race (Vos) no matter what type of race it is. Up the depth of the field and more people will watch!