World Championships Bergen 2017 - Road Race U23 (22.09.)

[Carstenbf]

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You can't call it the World Championship for U23s and exclude the best U 23s.

You could until this year apparently ..

Grats to Cosnefroy though. And great race!

 

[RedheadDane]

Oliver Wood fourth. Decided to change sports?

 

[LeChuck]

Nice to see an attacker win ! Hopefully a good omen for sunday.
And yeah, nice assist by the motorbike in the descent :razz:

 

[Samamba]

Disappointing winner

 

[Max Rockatansky]

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At least Cosnefroy is only a pro for less than two months. But yes, get the pros out of espoir races.

You can't call it the World Championship for U23s and exclude the best U 23s.

Maybe Lappartient will set up a Worlds B championship for you.

You can already give the rainbow jersey to Bernal in 2018. Who will never wear it for a year.

There is no need in letting pro riders from WT teams contest with pro conti levels. They are way to strong.

 

[AQETUYIOI]

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Nice to see an attacker win ! Hopefully a good omen for sunday.
And yeah, nice assist by the motorbike in the descent :razz:

The moto was also a hindrance at times.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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At least Cosnefroy is only a pro for less than two months. But yes, get the pros out of espoir races.

You can't call it the World Championship for U23s and exclude the best U 23s.

Yes you can and in fact that's been the norm. Just as you can have senior national or world championships that exclude pros if you want to (and as has been done in many sports and at times in cycling - never wonder why Sean Kelly was never Irish champion?)

U23 racing in cycling is for espoirs. Pros have their own races and have no business beating up kids who have yet to go pro.

 

[LeChuck]

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Disappointing winner

Why Disappointing ?

 

[HelloDolly]

Is that the exact same finish for the elite men on Sunday....not a bad course ?

 

[Samamba]

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Disappointing winner

Why Disappointing ?

Cause I was hoping for a big name. Cosnefroy is a descent rider, but I don't think he's gonna be a top pro one day.

 

[Gigs_98]

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At least Cosnefroy is only a pro for less than two months. But yes, get the pros out of espoir races.

You can't call it the World Championship for U23s and exclude the best U 23s.

Maybe Lappartient will set up a Worlds B championship for you.

You can already give the rainbow jersey to Bernal in 2018. Who will never wear it for a year.

There is no need in letting pro riders from WT teams contest with pro conti levels. They are way to strong.

If you exclude pro riders this competition loses it's complete importance. A really good U23 rider who will become a world class cyclist is almost always already a pro. There are exceptions but most of the time the winner of the U23 WC would become a complete no name rider if you remove all really good U23 riders from the field. And I think the reason why we even have a U23 worlds is because we want to see the stars of the future already competing against each other.

 

[RedheadDane]

Well, it is called U23 World Championships, not espoir World Championships. It's for riders who're under 23 years old; both Cosnefroy and Kämna fit that bill...
You might not consider it 100% fair, but there's nothing in the term U23 stating that a WT rider who's young enough can't participate.

 

[del1962]

Would have been nice for Kamna to win not withstanding his pro tour status, incredible to think he has only just turned 21.

Still wondering why Scott Davies pulled the peloton when no break after penultimate climb, he would have been more use to his teamates in the end by saving energy

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Seems like the GP d'Isbergues is becoming THE main indicator for the U23 worlds:

2016 GP d'Isbergues: 1. Kristoffer Halvorsen
2016 U23 Worlds: 1. Kristoffer Halvorsen
2017 GP d'Isbergues: 1. Benoit Cosnefroy
2017 U23 Worlds: 1. Benoit Cosnefroy

 

[Brullnux]

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At least Cosnefroy is only a pro for less than two months. But yes, get the pros out of espoir races.

You can't call it the World Championship for U23s and exclude the best U 23s.

Maybe Lappartient will set up a Worlds B championship for you.

You can already give the rainbow jersey to Bernal in 2018. Who will never wear it for a year.

There is no need in letting pro riders from WT teams contest with pro conti levels. They are way to strong.

If you exclude pro riders this competition loses it's complete importance. A really good U23 rider who will become a world class cyclist is almost always already a pro. There are exceptions but most of the time the winner of the U23 WC would become a complete no name rider if you remove all really good U23 riders from the field. And I think the reason why we even have a U23 worlds is because we want to see the stars of the future already competing against each other.

You seem to be suggesting that this race had no significance until last year

 

[Parker]

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If you exclude pro riders this competition loses it's complete importance. A really good U23 rider who will become a world class cyclist is almost always already a pro. There are exceptions but most of the time the winner of the U23 WC would become a complete no name rider if you remove all really good U23 riders from the field.

In the six years before they changed the rules the gold and silver medalists included: Matthews, Degenkolb, Ewan, Meintjes, Coquard, Betancur, Demare, Lutsenko and Mohoric. Not exactly no name riders.

 

[Groene Patraaf]

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If you exclude pro riders this competition loses it's complete importance. A really good U23 rider who will become a world class cyclist is almost always already a pro. There are exceptions but most of the time the winner of the U23 WC would become a complete no name rider if you remove all really good U23 riders from the field.

In the six years before they changed the rules the gold and silver medalists included: Matthews, Degenkolb, Ewan, Meintjes, Coquard, Betancur, Demare, Lutsenko and Mohoric. Not exactly no name riders.

But in 2006 (Ciolek), 2007 (Velits) and 2015 (Ledanois) pro riders (non-WT) won the U23 RR.

 

[Samamba]

Next year probably all favorites are gonna be pro.

 

[del1962]

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If you exclude pro riders this competition loses it's complete importance. A really good U23 rider who will become a world class cyclist is almost always already a pro. There are exceptions but most of the time the winner of the U23 WC would become a complete no name rider if you remove all really good U23 riders from the field.

In the six years before they changed the rules the gold and silver medalists included: Matthews, Degenkolb, Ewan, Meintjes, Coquard, Betancur, Demare, Lutsenko and Mohoric. Not exactly no name riders.

But in 2006 (Ciolek), 2007 (Velits) and 2015 (Ledanois) pro riders (non-WT) won the U23 RR.

Monument winner, GT Podium and career still to be defined

 

[Valv.Piti]

Seemed like it has been an underwhelming race. Worth watching the last couple of laps?

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

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Seemed like it has been an underwhelming race. Worth watching the last couple of laps?

The last lap was actually very nice, I only turned in the last lap myself, don't know if it was any good before that.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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If you exclude pro riders this competition loses it's complete importance. A really good U23 rider who will become a world class cyclist is almost always already a pro. There are exceptions but most of the time the winner of the U23 WC would become a complete no name rider if you remove all really good U23 riders from the field.

In the six years before they changed the rules the gold and silver medalists included: Matthews, Degenkolb, Ewan, Meintjes, Coquard, Betancur, Demare, Lutsenko and Mohoric. Not exactly no name riders.

But in 2006 (Ciolek), 2007 (Velits) and 2015 (Ledanois) pro riders (non-WT) won the U23 RR.

Ciolek won San Remo, Velits was 3rd at the Vuelta, and Ledanois is only 2nd year pro. For crying out loud :lol:

 

[AQETUYIOI]

Inattentive driver!

 

[del1962]

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Inattentive driver!

Thats terrible, which countries car was it?

 

[Red Rick]

Was Quintana was eligible to ride in 2013?