World Championships Bergen 2017 - Road Race U23 (22.09.)

[Dekker_Tifosi]

no, they still had the no WT riders rule then

 

[JoeD1997]

Perhaps they could introduce rules like anyone who has ridden a GT cannot race the U23 Worlds? Or only riders who are in the first year of their neo-pro contact at either WT or PCT can participate with the espoirs. Would even the playing field slightly...

 

[Red Rick]

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no, they still had the no WT riders rule then

So there WAS a rule like that. When did they get rid of that?

 

[Groene Patraaf]

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If you exclude pro riders this competition loses it's complete importance. A really good U23 rider who will become a world class cyclist is almost always already a pro. There are exceptions but most of the time the winner of the U23 WC would become a complete no name rider if you remove all really good U23 riders from the field.

In the six years before they changed the rules the gold and silver medalists included: Matthews, Degenkolb, Ewan, Meintjes, Coquard, Betancur, Demare, Lutsenko and Mohoric. Not exactly no name riders.

But in 2006 (Ciolek), 2007 (Velits) and 2015 (Ledanois) pro riders (non-WT) won the U23 RR.

Ciolek won San Remo, Velits was 3rd at the Vuelta, and Ledanois is only 2nd year pro. For crying out loud :lol:

Agreed. It seems I quoted the wrong post. :lol:

 

[May0maniac]

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Mini-Ulle. What an attack.

Herklotz already got hyped as the new Ulle in the U23 ranks, so Kämna is the new Klöden.

 

[PeterB]

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Inattentive driver!

Thats terrible, which countries car was it?

That's basically a type of accident waiting to happen. A car in the convoy suddenly stops. Car behind abruptly changes direction and probably brakes a bit as well. And a cyclist glued to the back of that car goes to the ground (or through the window). I consider it a miracle it is (fortunately) quite rare in racing. I would not blame just the driver, but in any case hope this unlucky cyclist recovers soon.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

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Mini-Ulle. What an attack.

Herklotz already got hyped as the new Ulle in the U23 ranks, so Kämna is the new Klöden.

Herklotz? He never did a good time trial in his career. So I don't get this hype.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1C2lTh9EI0

 

[DNP-Old]

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Next year probably all favorites are gonna be pro.

Jep, and Bernal is in.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

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Perhaps they could introduce rules like anyone who has ridden a GT cannot race the U23 Worlds? Or only riders who are in the first year of their neo-pro contact at either WT or PCT can participate with the espoirs. Would even the playing field slightly...

Regardless of what happened in the past, you do not create a valid World Championship by removing the best competitors. You end up with the winner of division 2. You don't even out the field by removing the elite if you want to identify the best.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

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Next year probably all favorites are gonna be pro.

Jep, and Bernal is in.

So there is one favorite and a peloton. He will murder this race.

 

[Alexandre B.]

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Next year probably all favorites are gonna be pro.

Jep, and Bernal is in.

So there is one favorite and a peloton. He will murder this race.

I would love a showdown between Bernal and Gaudu.

 

[fauniera]

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Easy win for Bernal.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

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Inattentive driver!

Thats terrible, which countries car was it?

That's basically a type of accident waiting to happen. A car in the convoy suddenly stops. Car behind abruptly changes direction and probably brakes a bit as well. And a cyclist glued to the back of that car goes to the ground (or through the window). I consider it a miracle it is (fortunately) quite rare in racing. I would not blame just the driver, but in any case hope this unlucky cyclist recovers soon.

And it will continue to happen for as long as rules about draughting behind cars are not applied, and that will happen, I fear, only when someone dies or has a life changing accident.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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no, they still had the no WT riders rule then

So there WAS a rule like that. When did they get rid of that?

I think it was last year

 

[Samamba]

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Next year probably all favorites are gonna be pro.

Jep, and Bernal is in.

Lambrecht probably isn't. He said after the race that he hopes to start with the pros next year (knowing that Belgium doesn't have a lot of climbers).

 

[Hakkapelit]

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Inattentive driver!

Thats terrible, which countries car was it?

Spare a thought for Joni Kanerva, resulted in broken collarbone and couple of ribs + cuts.

 

[Billie]

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Mini-Ulle. What an attack.

Herklotz already got hyped as the new Ulle in the U23 ranks, so Kämna is the new Klöden.

Herklotz? He never did a good time trial in his career. So I don't get this hype.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1C2lTh9EI0

incredible how different the weather was the day after

 

[May0maniac]

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Mini-Ulle. What an attack.

Herklotz already got hyped as the new Ulle in the U23 ranks, so Kämna is the new Klöden.

Herklotz? He never did a good time trial in his career. So I don't get this hype.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1C2lTh9EI0

The guy was hyped like crazy when he was just 18, 19 years old, his coaches said that he had the same numbers that Ulle had at that age and people saw him as the next Ullrich.
But you're right about his TT skills, Kämna on the other had has always been a great TT rider, world class in the MJ and U23 ranks, while being rather light (65kg) and a great climber.

 

[Red Rick]

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Next year probably all favorites are gonna be pro.

Jep, and Bernal is in.

For the espoir-elites double?

 

[MADRAZO]

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At least Cosnefroy is only a pro for less than two months. But yes, get the pros out of espoir races.

You can't call it the World Championship for U23s and exclude the best U 23s.

Maybe Lappartient will set up a Worlds B championship for you.

Completely agree, of course all riders under 23 should be allowed to ride a U23 World Championship, and if not that would make the championship completely meaningless and devaluete it, especially now when so many riders becomes pro while they are still U23.

 

[Tonton]

Won his first pro race at Isbergues a few days ago, now undisputed Champion of the Wooooooorld...Benoit Cosnefroy !!! Great winner, if you ask me . I must add, Vive la France .

 

[MatParker117]

Won his first pro race at Isbergues a few days ago, now undisputed Champion of the Wooooooorld...Benoit Cosnefroy !!! Great winner, if you ask me . I must add, Vive la France .

Good year for the future of French cycling, Baby Giro and U23 RR.

 

[Tonton]

Won his first pro race at Isbergues a few days ago, now undisputed Champion of the Wooooooorld...Benoit Cosnefroy !!! Great winner, if you ask me . I must add, Vive la France .

Good year for the future of French cycling, Baby Giro and U23 RR.

L'Avenir last year for Gaudu, destroying Bernal...and I like Bernal, refreshing, really good but (maybe) way overrated .

Maybe not. It's good to see new faces. Benoit did it twice now. Bala 3.0 or GVA 2.0?

 

[RedheadDane]

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Inattentive driver!

Thats terrible, which countries car was it?

That's basically a type of accident waiting to happen. A car in the convoy suddenly stops. Car behind abruptly changes direction and probably brakes a bit as well. And a cyclist glued to the back of that car goes to the ground (or through the window). I consider it a miracle it is (fortunately) quite rare in racing. I would not blame just the driver, but in any case hope this unlucky cyclist recovers soon.

And it will continue to happen for as long as rules about draughting behind cars are not applied, and that will happen, I fear, only when someone dies or has a life changing accident.

That kinda already happened, didn't it? Girdlestone; we all thought he was dead. Though, he does seem pretty determined to not let that stop him.

Next year probably all favorites are gonna be pro.

Jep, and Bernal is in.

For the espoir-elites double?

Pretty sure that's against the rules. You have to do either U23, or the Elite. You cannot do both.

Inattentive driver!

Thats terrible, which countries car was it?

Spare a thought for Joni Kanerva, resulted in broken collarbone and couple of ribs + cuts.

Actually, seeing that video I feared it was much worse...


Anyway; the big question of the day remains:
Why didn't Charles Kagimu start either of the U23 races?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Does anyone know what is up with eurosport's schedule? As far as I can see the men's junior race will be shown on ES2 from 9:30 to 11:30 followed by "Tennis replay". But the riders start at 9:30 and have to race 135km - so they will only show the first half of the race