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World Championships Bergen 2017 - Road Race U23 (22.09.)

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Perhaps they could introduce rules like anyone who has ridden a GT cannot race the U23 Worlds? Or only riders who are in the first year of their neo-pro contact at either WT or PCT can participate with the espoirs. Would even the playing field slightly...
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Groene Patraaf said:
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If you exclude pro riders this competition loses it's complete importance. A really good U23 rider who will become a world class cyclist is almost always already a pro. There are exceptions but most of the time the winner of the U23 WC would become a complete no name rider if you remove all really good U23 riders from the field.
In the six years before they changed the rules the gold and silver medalists included: Matthews, Degenkolb, Ewan, Meintjes, Coquard, Betancur, Demare, Lutsenko and Mohoric. Not exactly no name riders.
But in 2006 (Ciolek), 2007 (Velits) and 2015 (Ledanois) pro riders (non-WT) won the U23 RR.
Ciolek won San Remo, Velits was 3rd at the Vuelta, and Ledanois is only 2nd year pro. For crying out loud :lol:
Agreed. It seems I quoted the wrong post. :lol:
 
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Thats terrible, which countries car was it?
That's basically a type of accident waiting to happen. A car in the convoy suddenly stops. Car behind abruptly changes direction and probably brakes a bit as well. And a cyclist glued to the back of that car goes to the ground (or through the window). I consider it a miracle it is (fortunately) quite rare in racing. I would not blame just the driver, but in any case hope this unlucky cyclist recovers soon.
 
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JoeD1997 said:
Perhaps they could introduce rules like anyone who has ridden a GT cannot race the U23 Worlds? Or only riders who are in the first year of their neo-pro contact at either WT or PCT can participate with the espoirs. Would even the playing field slightly...

Regardless of what happened in the past, you do not create a valid World Championship by removing the best competitors. You end up with the winner of division 2. You don't even out the field by removing the elite if you want to identify the best.
 
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PeterB said:
del1962 said:
AQETUYIOI said:


Thats terrible, which countries car was it?
That's basically a type of accident waiting to happen. A car in the convoy suddenly stops. Car behind abruptly changes direction and probably brakes a bit as well. And a cyclist glued to the back of that car goes to the ground (or through the window). I consider it a miracle it is (fortunately) quite rare in racing. I would not blame just the driver, but in any case hope this unlucky cyclist recovers soon.

And it will continue to happen for as long as rules about draughting behind cars are not applied, and that will happen, I fear, only when someone dies or has a life changing accident.
 
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Mini-Ulle. What an attack.
Herklotz already got hyped as the new Ulle in the U23 ranks, so Kämna is the new Klöden. :D

Herklotz? He never did a good time trial in his career. So I don't get this hype. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1C2lTh9EI0

:cool:
The guy was hyped like crazy when he was just 18, 19 years old, his coaches said that he had the same numbers that Ulle had at that age and people saw him as the next Ullrich.
But you're right about his TT skills, Kämna on the other had has always been a great TT rider, world class in the MJ and U23 ranks, while being rather light (65kg) and a great climber.
 
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At least Cosnefroy is only a pro for less than two months. But yes, get the pros out of espoir races.

You can't call it the World Championship for U23s and exclude the best U 23s.

Maybe Lappartient will set up a Worlds B championship for you.

Completely agree, of course all riders under 23 should be allowed to ride a U23 World Championship, and if not that would make the championship completely meaningless and devaluete it, especially now when so many riders becomes pro while they are still U23.
 
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Won his first pro race at Isbergues a few days ago, now undisputed Champion of the Wooooooorld...Benoit Cosnefroy :) !!! Great winner, if you ask me :) . I must add, Vive la France :cool: .

Good year for the future of French cycling, Baby Giro and U23 RR.

L'Avenir last year for Gaudu, destroying Bernal...and I like Bernal, refreshing, really good but (maybe) way overrated ;) .

Maybe not. It's good to see new faces. Benoit did it twice now. Bala 3.0 or GVA 2.0?
 
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Armchair cyclist said:
PeterB said:
del1962 said:
AQETUYIOI said:


Thats terrible, which countries car was it?
That's basically a type of accident waiting to happen. A car in the convoy suddenly stops. Car behind abruptly changes direction and probably brakes a bit as well. And a cyclist glued to the back of that car goes to the ground (or through the window). I consider it a miracle it is (fortunately) quite rare in racing. I would not blame just the driver, but in any case hope this unlucky cyclist recovers soon.

And it will continue to happen for as long as rules about draughting behind cars are not applied, and that will happen, I fear, only when someone dies or has a life changing accident.

That kinda already happened, didn't it? Girdlestone; we all thought he was dead. Though, he does seem pretty determined to not let that stop him.


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DNP-Old said:
Samamba said:
Next year probably all favorites are gonna be pro.
Jep, and Bernal is in.

For the espoir-elites double?

Pretty sure that's against the rules. You have to do either U23, or the Elite. You cannot do both.


Hakkapelit said:
del1962 said:
AQETUYIOI said:


Thats terrible, which countries car was it?
Spare a thought for Joni Kanerva, resulted in broken collarbone and couple of ribs + cuts.

Actually, seeing that video I feared it was much worse... :(


Anyway; the big question of the day remains:
Why didn't Charles Kagimu start either of the U23 races?
 
Does anyone know what is up with eurosport's schedule? As far as I can see the men's junior race will be shown on ES2 from 9:30 to 11:30 followed by "Tennis replay". But the riders start at 9:30 and have to race 135km - so they will only show the first half of the race :confused: