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Alpe d'Huez said:
I live in Portland, not Seattle. We are a large and diverse city,......

Thank you for that very interesting and illuminating thumbnail of Portland. I had no idea. I now also understand where you were coming from with your original comments.

gregod said:
i can't answer for hamsterhammer
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, but as for me, you suspect wrong.

That's very cute, gregod. In truth, my facial adornment is more walrus than rodent like.:D

You suspected wrong about me too, Scott. Though there is one significant 'free speech' difference between many European countries and the US as regards what you may legally say about the Holocaust. I don't want to get into an argument regarding the possible rights or wrongs of this, I'm merely pointing out that free speech is not an absolute, and that, for example, US neo-nazis can legally get away with saying things for which they would be prosecuted in many European countries.


Holocaust denial is illegal in a number of European countries.[1] Many countries also have broader laws that criminalize genocide denial. In addition, the European Union has issued a directive to combat racism and xenophobia, which makes provision for member states criminalising Holocaust denial, with a maximum prison sentence of between one and three years. Also, the Council of Europe's 2003 Additional Protocol to the Convention on Cyber Crime, concerning the prosecution of acts of a racist and xenophobic nature committed through computer systems includes an article entitled Denial, gross minimisation, approval or justification of genocide or crimes against humanity, although this does not have the status of law. Of the countries that ban Holocaust denial, a number (Austria, Germany, Hungary, and Romania) were among the perpetrators of the Holocaust, and many of these also ban other elements associated with Nazism, such as Nazi symbols.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial
 
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rhubroma said:
You see Scott, and I believe I can speak for Amster in this case, I have no poblem with providing the necessary heigenic facilities for your nut jobs in the Tea Party movement at public expense, and believe, in principle, that not only does every voice have a right to be heard, but that it is the state's civic duty to accomodate such gatherings in the most civil and humane way possible. This is what living in an advanced democracy means to me. But you still seem to be living in a primordial and embrionic one, at least in your own noggin. Perhaps the greatest demonstration of a country's civility, is in how humanely it deals with the voices of potest and disent.

Thanks Rhub, I certainly agree with the above, most particularly your last sentence.
 
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I had read somewhere last week that the Solyndra scandal may eventually do serious damage to the Obama administration. Sorry, no link.

But then there's this;

The so-called 1705 Loan Guarantee Program and the 1603 Grant Program channeled billions of dollars to all sorts of energy companies. The grants were earmarked for alternative-fuel and green-power projects, so it would not be a surprise to learn that those industries were led by liberals. Furthermore, these were highly competitive grant and loan programs—not usually a hallmark of cronyism. Often fewer than 10 percent of applicants were deemed worthy.

Nevertheless, a large proportion of the winners were companies with Obama-campaign connections. Indeed, at least 10 members of Obama’s finance committee and more than a dozen of his campaign bundlers were big winners in getting your money. At the same time, several politicians who supported Obama managed to strike gold by launching alternative-energy companies and obtaining grants. How much did they get? According to the Department of Energy’s own numbers ... a lot.


In the 1705 government-backed-loan program, for example, $16.4 billion of the $20.5 billion in loans granted as of Sept. 15 went to companies either run by or primarily owned by Obama financial backers—individuals who were bundlers, members of Obama’s National Finance Committee, or large donors to the Democratic Party. The grant and guaranteed-loan recipients were early backers of Obama before he ran for president, people who continued to give to his campaigns and exclusively to the Democratic Party in the years leading up to 2008. Their political largesse is probably the best investment they ever made in alternative energy. It brought them returns many times over.


These government grants and loan guarantees not only provided access to taxpayer capital. They also served as a seal of approval from the federal government. Taxpayer money creates what investors call a “halo effect,” in which a young, unprofitable company is suddenly seen to have a glowing future. The plan is simple. Invest some money, secure taxpayer grants and loans, go public, and then cash out. In just one small example, a company called Amyris Biotechnologies received a $24 million DOE grant to build a pilot plant to use altered yeast to turn sugar into hydrocarbons.

The investors included several Obama bundlers and fundraisers. With federal money in hand, Amyris went public with an IPO the following year, raising $85 million. Kleiner Perkins, a firm that boasts Obama financier John Doerr and former vice president Al Gore as partners, found its $16 million investment was now worth $69 million. It’s not clear how the other investors did. Amyris continues to lose money. Meanwhile, the $24 million grant created 40 jobs, according to the government website recoverys.gov.


These quotes are excerpts from Peter Schweizer's book "Throw them all out" and it goes on.

Two things, why have we not heard more of this from journalists? Bias? I think so.

Secondly, how would the coverage of this be different if it was, oh I dunno, Bush doling out Billions to his political supporters?

One last thing.... This will certainly be a campaign issue if not something more damaging to BO.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/11/13/how-obama-s-alternative-energy-programs-became-green-graft.html
 
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Thank you for that very interesting and illuminating thumbnail of Portland. I had no idea.

+1. Though I did already know that Pink Martini and Chuck Palahniuk came out of Portland. Say no more... :)
 
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Being called the Nutty Pof from you is a real compliment I'm sure. :p

I've probably been to more protests and paticipated in more activist initiatives than you've even heard of. ;)

Hey did Amsterhammer give you carte blanche?

I was only making jabs at you rhubroma. I did not need to know that you was some type of 60’s era has been protester. That does help me to understand why you give such long posts. Maybe you read to much Noam ChumpSki? :D
 
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Scott SoCal said:
I had read somewhere last week that the Solyndra scandal may eventually do serious damage to the Obama administration. Sorry, no link.

But then there's this;












These quotes are excerpts from Peter Schweizer's book "Throw them all out" and it goes on.

Two things, why have we not heard more of this from journalists? Bias? I think so.

Secondly, how would the coverage of this be different if it was, oh I dunno, Bush doling out Billions to his political supporters?

One last thing.... This will certainly be a campaign issue if not something more damaging to BO.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/11/13/how-obama-s-alternative-energy-programs-became-green-graft.html


Hey what is Solyndra:confused::D

Seriously that will be buried by the upcoming election campaign.

NewtG on the rise...WTF this cannot be happening! Republican party has some trouble and the party better get out and find a real candidate before they lose another election.
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
Hey did Amsterhammer give you carte blanche?

I was only making jabs at you rhubroma. I did not need to know that you was some type of 60’s era has been protester. That does help me to understand why you give such long posts. Maybe you read to much Noam ChumpSki? :D

WTF do I have to do with this?:confused:

You did really well for a couple of days there, Glenn. Sadly though, your posts are lapsing back into the usual incomprehensible gibberish.
 
Alpe d'Huez said:
I live in Portland, not Seattle. We are a large and diverse city, but the closer to the core you get, we're like Leningrad compared to Seattle. George Bush Sr. called Portland "Little Beirut" when people here protested the first Gulf war. We have an openly gay mayor who is a total patsy. The woman who is most likely to succeed him is an owner of a health food store chain. I'm telling you, we're left of San Francisco. That city has much more money, and the bourgeois class Rhum speaks of hardly exists here. People like Scott probably think of me as being center-left, most of you might. But in this city, I'm like Rush Limbaugh compared to most people.

As to the port-a-poties. First, the park did have public restroom, that was quickly overused and overflowed. The city fixed it, and then did put port-a-poties in. And they got overfilled. The city paid to have them cycled. The city also paid for extra police OT as there were fights and drugs and people ODing in the park. It ran up a huge bill - not including the now massive clean-up. Guess who's paying for it? And in case you weren't certain, just like many other cities in the US, Portland is flat broke, and by law cannot go into debt. The money is going to have to come from somewhere else.

I should also note that we're not Oakland. The police here didn't use tear gas, nothing like that. There were a handful of arrests, and two protesters and one police officer received minor injuries. That's it.

Look, I'm definitely part of the 99%, and I have no problem with protesting. But the occupy movement in my town went way beyond reason. It wasn't protesting anymore, it was obstinate and intransigent for a lost point. The people occupying were not representing the 99% and had not for weeks. Compounding that, they at this point were damaging their cause, any cause, and pushing themselves to their own 1%, and pushing the people in the general "left" away from them. It was doing more good for conservative causes than not.

If these people were wise, they'd follow similar paths to the Tea Party and repeatedly protest, march and find new ways to draw attention to their cause, without piissing everyone off who doesn't share their extreme mindset. Because that's exactly what was happening, even in this very liberal city.

My points were initially directed at your reaction to the protest and, in spite of my mistaken locality, my general impressions stand. I can imagine that, by the standards of Portlanders you so knowingly frame, that you would be perceived by some as the "Rush Limbaugh" of the community, though this is only because I know you are basically a conservative with a heart though, which is why I respect you. And why I'm not so prideful, nor arrogant enough to not admit when I've made errors in judgment, as I did regarding the details of what actually went on.

This is admittedly because of my ignorance over these specifics so thanks for correcting me. However, the general impression I get is one of beforehand intolerance to such a protest. I may be wrong, though this was my impression.

Basically, though, I'm perhaps more unperturbed by dirty and unpleasant controversy that rattles a certain type of society to the core by giving into an access to rebellion, when something just demands to be said and done. As in times like these. While I don't agree at all with the opinions of analysts like Friedmen I quoted from the NY Times above, who categorically dismissed the OWS protesters as either want-to-bes or irrelevant.

While it is a shame about the befouling of your beloved park, the bottom line is that financial capitalism and the banks have ruined today's democracy, set a horrendous paradigm for individual wealth and social cohesion, because of a conflict of interests between finance and the political establishment. This is why when the stock market collapsed, the public was called into to assume the onerous burden of saving the financial institutions, without question, as if by a moral imperative, because some banks "are just too big to fail."

No institution in a free-market, democratic society should be too big to fail. This represents a concentration of power that can only be unhealthy to that same free-market and democratic society. The public is beginning to wake up to this reality and this is why the protesters have relevance. Simply dismissing them because you don't like their methods, or look, or that they won't change the system, does not mean that their cause is entirely useless. For if it is, then our civilization really is a lost cause.

I was reading today in the newspaper an article about how the banks and financial transactions are international, whereas politics is still regional and what consequences this has for our daily lives. This is particularly devastating to the European Union in this moment.

At any rate, I would hope that there will be more protests so that perhaps we can at least get a Tobin tax, or any other measure to have some of the wealth generated by finance to be redirected into society, not all to tenuously by market forces, but social principle as a fiscal responsibility.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
I had read somewhere last week that the Solyndra scandal may eventually do serious damage to the Obama administration. Sorry, no link.
Nah. It's a fishing expedition. There's nothing there. Besides, should we also investigate the loans made to companies in Republican districts? There were 62 of them. Issa and Upton wrote to Chu in support of green companies in their districts - should we look deeper into Issa's connection with Aptera Motors? Request all of their email exchanges, see what kind of strings were pulled to get Issa to write that letter to Chu? Besides, Solyndra was first approved for the loan in 2007 under the Bush administration as one of the 16 initial projects. It's also a drop in the bucket - only 1.3% or something like that of the total loans guaranteed by the DOE and the only project that has failed.
 
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...gonna go back to another, though related topic, the EU financial issue...find below an article that presents an interesting read...and from a fairly right wing institution/publication, which is to say the truth may be far uglier...

...the money quote...

Though Monti, a former advisor to Goldman Sachs, is heavily championed by the country's respected president, many in parliament have spent the week whispering that Berlusconi's ouster amounts to a "banker's coup." "Yesterday, in the chamber of deputies we were bitterly joking that we were going to get a Goldman Sachs government," says a parliamentarian from Berlusconi's government, who asked to remain anonymous citing political sensitivity.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2099350,00.html#ixzz1dn80LkbB

...kinda sounds a bit like airlifting Karzai in to steer the Pipelanistan...errr...Afghanistan situation in the right direction....

Cheers

blutto
 
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blutto said:
...gonna go back to another, though related topic, the EU financial issue...find below an article that presents an interesting read...and from a fairly right wing institution/publication, which is to say the truth may be far uglier...

...the money quote...

Though Monti, a former advisor to Goldman Sachs, is heavily championed by the country's respected president, many in parliament have spent the week whispering that Berlusconi's ouster amounts to a "banker's coup." "Yesterday, in the chamber of deputies we were bitterly joking that we were going to get a Goldman Sachs government," says a parliamentarian from Berlusconi's government, who asked to remain anonymous citing political sensitivity.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2099350,00.html#ixzz1dn80LkbB

...kinda sounds a bit like airlifting Karzai in to steer the Pipelanistan...errr...Afghanistan situation in the right direction....

Cheers

blutto

It's what we had in Greece. No democracy (no referendum), no political leadership (Papandreu), instead dictate of capital.
 
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An official Norwegian report was published last week called the "Pawns of Peace" about the peacekeeping tasks in Sri Lanka. I have great respect for the country to undertake a near impossible task.

Firstly, I have to stress that there were very legitimate reasons for Sri Lankan Tamils to be outraged and Velupillai Prabhakaran founded the Tamil Students' Movement for reasons that are discusssed here. Unfortunately, the movement (the Tamil students movement not the Tamil movement in general) went underground and in 1975, the Tamil New Tigers (a splinter group founded by Prabhakaran) shot dead the (Tamil) mayor of Jaffna, Alfred Duraiappah. Page 2 in the link will illuminate reasons why the tensions escalated (posting them here will make it unbelievably large). All these issues finally boiled over and the final spark was the Four Four Bravo ambush by Tamil separatists (resulting in the deaths of 13 soldiers), which led to the Black July riots in 1983. There are conflicting reports as to when the LTTE in its final avatar was founded but it was around this period.

India got involved in peace talks in '85 with the Thimpu talks which involved the LTTE amongst other groups which had the postulates mentioned here. During this time the LTTE was systematically weakening groups like the Eelam People's revolutionary Liberation Front (EPRLF) and the Tamil Eelam Liberation Organisation (TELO). The major involvement by India in peacekeeping though was in 1987 when the then PM Rajiv Gandhi got actively involved in the '87 Indo Sri Lanka accord. The postulates of this accord are here. Paragraphs 2.9, which resolved that militant groups must surrender arms, and the fact that India would send a peacekeeping force (IPKF) to Sri Lanka never augered well for the LTTE and resulted (as circumstances had it) in quite a few flare ups between the IPKF and the LTTE. This regrettably later led to his assassination in 1994.
 
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Now, to the report, which seems like a 200 page whinge on why the Norwegian Peacekeeping efforts failed. Some parts of the report are true but some parts are way off target.

My main bones of contention are-
The initial First-Past-The-Post system generated winner-takes-all outcomes, with a marginal place for Tamil parties. The UNP and SLFP alternated with sweeping victories and avoidance of political compromise. The introduction of Proportional Representation (PR) in 1978 – paralleled by the creation of an Executive Presidency – dampened the alternating victories of the two mainstream parties, but also led to more unstable coalition governments.

The first past the post is a good system of election when the govt is led by a responsible party. The main parties in Sri Lanka weren't really involved with the inclusion of Tamil Society. It's still in use in India and stability has been the norm and all sections of society have developed to an extent.

On page 54 the report there are suggestions of peace talks with the LTTE (which later took place).
The LTTE had proven itself a terrorist organisation which had assassinated both the President of Sri Lanka and the Prime Minister of India. If this was a President or PM of a NATO/EU nation, would the mediators be negotiating with the killers or as has happened in the past decade go to other countries and invade them?

"The Norwegian delegation makes it clear that a solution needs to be sought within a united Sri Lanka. The LTTE insists on their de-proscription48 by the government and a ceasefire prior to commencing talks, but President Kumaratunga argues these measures must be conditional on actual progress during peace talks. In her own account49, the president tells the LTTE: ‘I will only give you a ceasefire when talks proceed effectively. Not like before [1995], when you made me look like a fool.’ On the humanitarian front progress is made, however, with the signing of an ‘Agreement following an understanding on humanitarian measures’."

Why should she not have a tough bargain stance when the peace process in the past has proven in the past to be a period of recuperation for the rebels. She herself could have easily been killed

It identifies India and the US as the main players and gets their concurrence. In meetings in Delhi with the Indian Foreign Secretary, the National Security Advisor and the intelligence agency (RAW), it becomes clear that India will keep an arm’s length approach and will not take an active role in the process. The US is slightly more amenable, but with the American designation of the LTTE as a terrorist group, Washington’s role in bringing about constructive dialogue is limited.

Similar reason to above. Tamil groups should have been involved in peace talks not terrorists. India needs to be closer to the peace process? the last time that happened our Prime Minister was killed.

Compromises are made on naval issues and the nature of the monitoring mission. The agreement bans offensive naval operations, but does not acknowledge the existence of the Sea Tigers, neither does it regulate vessel positions and movements or modalities for monitoring them. The Sea Tigers and maritime shipments are vital for the LTTE, but it is difficult for the government to accept a compromise on the sea. Moreover, the navy, Kumaratunga and India are very sceptical about this issue, so the clause on this is deliberately kept woolly.

How can navy offensive operations be be banned if the Sea Tigers' existence itself isn't acknowledged. Reeks of double standards in my opinion.

The parties and India insist that the Sri Lanka Monitoring Mission (SLMM) should be a small, unarmed mission with a weak mandate. They oppose the involvement of any major regional player or an EU or (a second) NATO member and prefer a solely Norwegian mission.

Of course a second NATO member or EU nation is unnecessary. The NATO EU diplomacy has been proven to be flawed and awful (at times) and has on many occasions openly supported separatist forces when it was in their geopolitical or religious interests.

General Fonseka (then commander of Jaffna) draws up a phased ‘de-escalation plan’, which links the easing of the High Security Zones to LTTE disarmament and decommissioning of long-range weapons. The terms and phrasing of Fonseka’s plan – persistently calling the LTTE ‘terrorists’ – meet an angry LTTE response and the insurgents terminate the SDN.
There's nothing wrong in his terminology, a group which kills the head of govt of two countries is nothing but a terrorist group. Taking in consideration the peace process though, his nomenclature of the group as terrorists could have been avoided.

The SLMM leader, retired Major General Trygve Tellefsen, adds fuel to the fire when trying to resolve the continued naval tension. His discussions with the LTTE to create a firing practice zone for the Sea Tigers off the north-eastern coast causes severe irritation with the government. When a subsequent leakage of Sri Lankan Navy intelligence by the monitors enables the escape of an LTTE shipment, President Kumaratunga has Tellefsen removed from his post.

The work of a responsible peacekeeping force with no interests in the issue.:rolleyes: Issues such as this was the reason that many in the Sinhalese community lost confidence in the Norwegian peacekeeping force's aims.


All this crap and still more than 100 pages of the report to go.
 
blutto said:
...gonna go back to another, though related topic, the EU financial issue...find below an article that presents an interesting read...and from a fairly right wing institution/publication, which is to say the truth may be far uglier...

...the money quote...

Though Monti, a former advisor to Goldman Sachs, is heavily championed by the country's respected president, many in parliament have spent the week whispering that Berlusconi's ouster amounts to a "banker's coup." "Yesterday, in the chamber of deputies we were bitterly joking that we were going to get a Goldman Sachs government," says a parliamentarian from Berlusconi's government, who asked to remain anonymous citing political sensitivity.


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2099350,00.html#ixzz1dn80LkbB

...kinda sounds a bit like airlifting Karzai in to steer the Pipelanistan...errr...Afghanistan situation in the right direction....

Cheers

blutto

Berlusconi has done more damage to the social, economic and political outlook of Italy since the days of fascism. He has also left Italy in a state of dishonorable repute, which, unfortunately, many Italians (who never supported him) don't justly deserve. His victims are extremely numerous in this regard though.

It's not every Italian government that falls with the uncorking of champagne bottles in the streets and squares, an indication of an inner passion that was directly proportionate to that sense of horror, disgust and humiliation that was the soul of so called "antiberlusconismo" in this country for 17 years.

Italy is in the midst of a tempest and has chosen Professor Monti for his knowledge of the markets and political respectability in the EU, having been an EU financial deputy in Brussels. Having also worked for Goldman Sachs, however, he is not the ideal candidate that people among the left want. Yet he might just be the only man in Italy who can convince all parties to sit down at the table and make a compromise to pass the necessary motions, that will reestablish the nation's market confidence and resolve Italy's debt crisis. He also in 2004 succeeded to make Bill Gates pay a fine of 500 million euro in a anti-trust lawsuit against Microsoft, so he has some merits.

Politics is, of course, the art of compromise and Mario Monti if anything seems to ofter at least a chance that a compromise will be reached. Plus in his sobriety and for his decorous manner, he is the antithesis of the brutta figura of Berlusconi, which is another reason why he has been called up to present Europe with a different image of Italy.
 
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Former Treasury official Powell eyed for Fed board

Jerome Powell, 58, worked on Wall Street before joining the Treasury in 1990 and eventually became undersecretary for domestic finance. After leaving the Treasury in 1993, he was, among other things, a partner at private-equity firm Carlyle Group for eight years.‬ Republican Gets Serious Look for Fed Board Spot

why him?

The nomination of a former Republican political appointee and business executive appears aimed at mollifying Senate Republicans, who blocked an earlier candidate of President Barack Obama for the Fed, Peter Diamond, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist. GOP lawmakers argued Diamond -- who won a Nobel prize for economics in 2010 -- was not qualified for the job and that he was too sympathetic to government intervention in the economy.

Wall Street Banker or Nobel Prize Winner for Economics...

It's part of the new jobs creation program; hire a banker who'll create such a mess that it requires an additional 3 new bankers to solve his problems.
 
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ramjambunath said:
An official Norwegian report was published last week called the "Pawns of Peace" about the peacekeeping tasks in Sri Lanka. I have great respect for the country to undertake a near impossible task.

When is the Lessons Learned and reconciliation report due?
 
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Bala Verde said:
When is the Lessons Learned and reconciliation report due?

That may well be never.:D
I'm unaware of the report's release date but if it would indict the Sri Lankan of human rights violations (considering what's happening elsewhere in the world for far smaller threats), I would be cross (and I'm an Indian tamilian) and if it's as bad as the Norwegian report about their peacekeeping mission, it won't be worth reading.
 
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Amsterhammer said:
WTF do I have to do with this?:confused:

You did really well for a couple of days there, Glenn. Sadly though, your posts are lapsing back into the usual incomprehensible gibberish.

Cool down amsterhammer. Upthread Rubroma said “You see Scott, and I believe I can speak for Amster in this case” that was on post #11712 so I said…Did amsterhammer give him carte blanche? That was all.

The other stuff was just about rubroma being the expert on protesting and stuff of that nature.
 
Glenn_Wilson said:
Cool down amsterhammer. Upthread Rubroma said “You see Scott, and I believe I can speak for Amster in this case” that was on post #11712 so I said…Did amsterhammer give him carte blanche? That was all.

The other stuff was just about rubroma being the expert on protesting and stuff of that nature.

My cousin Daniel, my dreamer, who was exactly my age, introduced me to to the world of protesting. We had parted 20 years before, when he left the bording school and went to Belgium with his parents, but we never severed our contact. His marriage, which I must admit I first regarded with misgiving, actually depended on our friendship, which had nothing to do with our being realted to eachother, a fact that neither of us considered impotant. I have often visited Brussels. I stayed there during my first journey to London, and since then I have always gone over to Brussels when I was staying in Paris. When I stayed with him and his wife they took me out into the country near Brussels to visit their Belgian friends, and also to Ostend. They introduced me to the art of Esnor and Delvaux, and the fine country houses near Brussels. But chiefly I remember spending whole nights with Daniel, sitting with him in his study while he set the world to rights, as they say. During these nocturnal sessions, Daniel the philosopher would paint his philosophical picture in my head, and for weeks afterward I would be obsessed by it. I went for walks with him in Brussels and visited his friends, who all lived in reduced circumstances, virtually destitute, and came from various countries, chiefly Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Romania--East Europeans who had fled from their national regimes into Daniel's arms, as it were. His first conatact with these political refugees was next to the Gare Luxembourg at Ixelles, where he offered to protect them against arrest and imprisonment, to which they were liable as illegal immigrants. In other words, he set himself the task of helping the political refugees, and was well qualified to perform it. No sooner had they realized that he genuinely wished to help them, prompted solely by his excellent character, than he was snowed under, as they say.

The people he associated with often called him a fool, finding him too natural, unable to take their formalities seriously, though he did not hate them, as I did. Daniel's cast of mind is admittedly hard to understand, above most people's heads, and calls for ruthless intellectual probity. I was never equal to such intellectual probitity, I thought, and was invariably worsened. My visits to Brussels, agreeable though they were, always resulted in spiritual discomfiture.
 
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ramjambunath said:
There's nothing wrong in his terminology, a group which kills the head of govt of two countries is nothing but a terrorist group. Taking in consideration the peace process though, his nomenclature of the group as terrorists could have been avoided.



The work of a responsible peacekeeping force with no interests in the issue.:rolleyes: Issues such as this was the reason that many in the Sinhalese community lost confidence in the Norwegian peacekeeping force's aims.

Norway was seen to be acceptable a) by the government as an independent country, b) by the LTTE as Norway seemed to treat them as "freedom fighters" rather than terrorists. Indeed, as you say, this together with the actions of the Norwegian commander with regard to the Sea Tigers, has lead to distrust of the Norwegians from the Sinhalese community.

From what you say (and what I've read) moderate Tamils have not really been involved in the peace process (have they been ignored or are they not voicing their opinions loud enough?).

As for dealing with leaders of terrorist groups, it's a very fine line. For example, with regard to Northern Ireland the Tories took a firm line of not dealing with them (particularly Thatcher). However that policy led to a standoff. The Labour government hid the fact that lines of communication were open, while talking to Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness (moderates like Trimble were also involved in the procedure). Helped by the fact that moderates became more vocal in their demands for peace and an agreement, this approach bore more fruit (although of course tension remains).

In the end, peace keeping is not about uniformed guys patrolling with sub-machine guns (if there's nothing else, they could stay there forever without bringing peace), it's about developing ground-level movements of those from both sides wishing to find a solution and get them to talk together. Easier said than done, but peace cannot be imposed. The peace keepers should seen to be facilitators of communication rather than decision makers (but without remaining passive, i.e. not an easy job).
 
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National Guard yet?


""Update: 'Occupy' crackdowns coordinated with federal law enforcement officials.

Over the past ten days, more than a dozen cities have moved to evict "Occupy" protesters from city parks and other public spaces. As was the case in last night's move in New York City, each of the police actions shares a number of characteristics. And according to one Justice official, each of those actions was coordinated with help from Homeland Security, the FBI and other federal police agencies.

The official, who spoke on background to me late Monday evening, said that while local police agencies had received tactical and planning advice from national agencies, the ultimate decision on how each jurisdiction handles the Occupy protests ultimately rests with local law enforcement.

According to this official, in several recent conference calls and briefings, local police agencies were advised to seek a legal reason to evict residents of tent cities, focusing on zoning laws and existing curfew rules. Agencies were also advised to demonstrate a massive show of police force, including large numbers in riot gear. In particular, the FBI reportedly advised on press relations, with one presentation suggesting that any moves to evict protesters be coordinated for a time when the press was the least likely to be present. The FBI has so far failed to respond to requests for an official response, and of the 14 local police agencies contacted in the past 24 hours, all have declined to respond to questions on this issue.

But in a recent interview with the BBC," Oakland Mayor Jean Quan mentioned she was on a conference call just before the recent wave of crackdowns began.""

http://www.examiner.com/top-news-in-minneapolis/were-occupy-crackdowns-aided-by-federal-law-enforcement-agencies
 
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Tank Engine said:
Norway was seen to be acceptable a) by the government as an independent country, b) by the LTTE as Norway seemed to treat them as "freedom fighters" rather than terrorists....

...In the end, peace keeping is not about uniformed guys patrolling with sub-machine guns (if there's nothing else, they could stay there forever without bringing peace), it's about developing ground-level movements of those from both sides wishing to find a solution and get them to talk together. Easier said than done, but peace cannot be imposed. The peace keepers should seen to be facilitators of communication rather than decision makers (but without remaining passive, i.e. not an easy job).

True, Norway was agreed upon by the parties because they weren't in the region (after the eventual failure of the Indo-Lanka accord '87) and as pointed out, they never used the word terrorist for describing the LTTE. This is something which, as is obvious from previous posts, I disapprove of considering the number of major assassinations and suicide attacks among other attacks they orchestrated.

I don't believe the LTTE was ever the voice of the Tamilians and gained a hegemony over the peace process after significantly weakening other Tamil groups with targeted killing of other leaders.

With regards to the IRA, as you point out, the moderates got vocal about their demands which is pretty much diametrically opposite to what happened here. The IRA (while a heinous group), I don't believe, were involved in the levels of terrorism that LTTE were involved in (300 suicide bombs in 20 years, 106 major assassinations and a multitude of other attacks). It also should be noted that the LTTE was running a pseudo military and had an organised army (with a lot of child soldiers), a pretty strong navy and also, astonishingly, an airforce. 20 years of talks were derailed by, on most occasions, the LTTE excesses committed during the ceaasefire period.

As you say, finally peace will only be reached once the soldiers in uniform recede and proper governance is achieved. This was one of the major problems with the LTTE during their reign of terror from the '80s to 2009. The govt as yet hasn't achieve proper development yet but maybe with some time they can set right the wrongs committed to the Tamils in the past.
 
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Obama is in town and now that is the only thing on the news with live coverage (and commerical free) of his press conference. On Monday his 200 secret service goons, and the 13 car Presidential cavalcade arrived in the country.
 
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