World Politics

[jens_attacks]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26424738

However, the captain of one of the threatened warships told Ukrainian TV his men were prepared to fight and would not surrender.

hopefully this won't be the spark

 

[python]

again, it looks like there was no ultimatum but an an intentionally false disinformation by the ukrainian side ...the goal is also rather clear as their military are defecting in droves and they are desperate to start some kind of political process .

an old trick tried by the georgians in 2008 when there was 1 hour tank march left to their capital.

a weapon of weak and cowardly.

 

[RetroActive]

Just what the world needs. I can only shake my head.


North Korea fires two missiles into sea for second time in a week as tensions escalate during U.S.-South Korean military drills

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2571912/Seoul-NKorea-fires-2-suspected-missiles.html

 

[hrotha]

again, it looks like there was no ultimatum but an an intentionally false disinformation by the ukrainian side ...the goal is also rather clear as their military are defecting in droves and they are desperate to start some kind of political process .

Is that like the 600,000 phantom refugees?

 

[RetroActive]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26424738

However, the captain of one of the threatened warships told Ukrainian TV his men were prepared to fight and would not surrender.

hopefully this won't be the spark

Hey, you got your wish:
The US opens a military base in Romania
http://english.irib.ir/analysis/commentaries/item/180432-the-us-opens-a-military-base-in-romania

 

[RetroActive]

Another success story...
Libya relocates parliament in light of violent protests
http://www.albawaba.com/news/libya-parliament-558497

 

[python]

Is that like the 600,000 phantom refugees?

since you put the bait, i will take it - if you have a different numbers or a rational way to deconstruct it - bring it up.

as they say, put up or shut up.

 

[hrotha]

since you put the bait, i will take it - if you have a different numbers or a rational way to deconstruct it - bring it up.

as they say, put up or shut up.

Again, it's Russian misinformation. They even accompanied it with pictures of the Ukrainian-Polish border.

 

[python]

Again, it's Russian misinformation. They even accompanied it with pictures of the Ukrainian-Polish border.

again, you need to deconstruct the misinformation with something more than your own feelings.

take example from my deconstruction of the ukrainian disinformation about an ultimatum a couple of posts ago.

without any tilt, i followed multiple sources. when they turned contradictory, i provided the links to primary sources and made my conclusion of the information being a misinformation. considerably later, the main media confirmed the conclusion i made.

this is not for me to take light, but for you to put up or shut up.

 

[hrotha]

This for starters:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...a3b0be-a21e-11e3-b865-38b254d92063_story.html
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116817/ukraine-news-roundup-march-2-2014

What evidence has Russia provided?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

there seems to be an ultimatum given to all the ukrainian forces in crimeea.
hopefully ukrainian will choose the logical decision and will leave the region. i don't know what was in khruschev's head when he decided to give it to ukraine...vodka i guess.

He was Ukrainian

 

[python]

for starters, what relevance those links have to your counter claims of 600, 000 ? be specific regarding the specific number or stfu.

besides, i never brought the number, never referred to it in any of my post, you did, in a rather trolling manner. thus the responsibility of deconstructing your beliefs or disbelief is on you.

if you said, you are skeptical of the number, that would be fair enough, i'd accept it without any rebuttal, but you chose to troll with it as if it was some kind of proven fact.

again put up or stfu.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

what is this 600 000 number we are talking about? must have missed the conversation/debate

 

[hrotha]

The relevance is that they show the Russian spin to be an outright fabrication. There has been no humanitarian crisis so far. The relevance to the larger discussion is that you're repeating what the Russian media says about defecting Ukrainian units, despite the fact that there's quite a few standoffs (not Mexican - no one's pointing their guns at each other yet) around Ukrainian bases in Crimea.

 

[Netserk]

Lol, almost as charming as Maserati....

 

[python]

The relevance is that they show the Russian spin to be an outright fabrication. There has been no humanitarian crisis so far.

total and utter bs. the pictures and the links show unrelated marching crowds. they have no relevance to your specific number of 600,000 you doubt. again, if you said, this was your opinion it would be fine. but you chose to troll with it.

The relevance to the larger discussion is that you're repeating what the Russian media says about defecting Ukrainian units

, this is an intentional lie. i made several post today. in many still up there i reported a stand off and a significance of the ukrainian reaction. but because you chose to ignore my input at large and to troll a post, you get what you deserve - put up or stfu.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Thanks for that link.

I thought that I shared that excellent Jonathan Steele article yesterday. Must have been somewhere else.

 

[del1962]

Read Steele's article full of so many false assumptions and propganda you almost feel uncle vlad wrote it himself

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I know the_Hitch and myself follow him, but if there anyone else here that is interested in a more reliable (atleast more reliable than the western media) critique of Putin, you should follow the old grand master Kasparov on twitter (albeit as a (rather bad) chess player myself, I have a natural fondness for the guy)

 

[Amsterhammer]

Live from the Security Council - Yanukovich wrote Putin a letter, claiming that all sorts of dire things were happening to ethnic Russians in Ukraine, and more or less asking Putin to restore him to power.

 

[rhubroma]

Live from the Security Council - Yanukovich wrote Putin a letter, claiming that all sorts of dire things were happening to ethnic Russians in Ukraine, and more or less asking Putin to restore him to power.

Pirandello could not have writen a better script.

As usual it is the pawns who are sacrificed first in the chess game. Simulated or otherwise.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Pirandello could not have writen a better script.

As usual it is the pawns who are sacrificed first in the chess game. Simulated or otherwise.

Indeed. History may now add the 'Yanukovich Letter' to Zinoviev's. He claimed that Ukraine was on the brink of civil war, and asked for Russia's assistance in 'restoring the rule of law'. Thus, as the legitimate head of state, Yanukovich's 'request' to G.W.Putin legitimizes Russian actions under the UN Charter.

This is now the official Russian position.

 

[rhubroma]

Indeed. History may now add the 'Yanukovich Letter' to Zinoviev's. He claimed that Ukraine was on the brink of civil war, and asked for Russia's assistance in 'restoring the rule of law'. Thus, as the legitimate head of state, Yanukovich's 'request' to G.W.Putin legitimizes Russian actions under the UN Charter.

This is now the official Russian position.

To complicate matters, though, is the fact that Zinoviev's letter was a forgery.

It rather reminds my of Lorenzo Valla's De falso credita et ementita Constantini donatione declamatio ("Discourse on the Forgery
of the Alleged Donation of Constantine").

Putin shall have a hard time with this, if the only basis.

 

[RetroActive]

Putin should write a letter to the New York Times.

 

[RetroActive]

The Rape of Ukraine: Phase Two Begins
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/03/03/the-rape-of-ukraine-phase-two-begins/

In negotiations last October, the IMF demanded that Ukraine double prices for gas and electricity to industry and homes, that they lift a ban on private sale of Ukraine’s rich agriculture lands, make a major overhaul of their economic holdings, devalue the currency, slash state funds for school children and the elderly to “balance the budget.” In return Ukraine would get a paltry $4 billion.

Before the ouster of the Moscow-leaning Yanukovich government last week, Moscow was prepared to buy some $15 billion of Ukraine debt and to slash its gas prices by fully one-third. Now, understandably, Russia is unlikely to give that support. The economic cooperation between Ukraine and Moscow was something Washington was determined to sabotage at all costs. This drama is far from over. The stakes involve the very future of Russia, the EU-Russian relations, and the global power of Washington, or at least that faction in Washington that sees further wars as the prime instrument of policy.