World Politics

[python]

just in, seems quite significant in light of the turkish ambush of a russian plane:

http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Russia-says-it-fired-warning-shots-at-Turkish-ship-in-Aegean-to-avoid-collision-437172

a military ship firing on a civilian vessel that refused to heed warnings ( i wonder if it was a turkish rate of 10 in 5 minutes ) does not happen that often. Particularly when both vessels were not in their home waters (off greek coast in aegean sea)

 

[Brullnux]

Le Pen finishes with zero(0) regions after today's regional elections in France

 

[python]

isn't it too early to celebrate the french society's mood trend ?

lepenism (not my term) was nothing but a barely legal extreme right fringe a short time ago to suddenly become a cause for celebration when they did not finish first in a particular locale...

looking broader, we need to pay attention to a centre-right indisputable success that undoubtedly - let me be clear , in part - represents a 'respectable' voting choice for those who feel like 'lepenists' but cant quite raise themselves to the uncomfortable (that is, a politically incorrect) tag of being anti-immigrant.

the french as a nation have moved to the right. imo, it's a fact. diminishing le pen isn't going to change it.

sorry for the brutality of my honest opinion, one more of the hideous terror acts and le pen (or her nephew...whoever) will tower over France's right-wing governance...and i am not claiming any affinity to being an oracle. that's the plain historical societal reaction...

 

[Brullnux]

Re:

isn't it too early to celebrate the french society's mood trend ?

lepenism (not my term) was nothing but a barely legal extreme right fringe a short time ago to suddenly become a cause for celebration when they did not finish first in a particular locale...

looking broader, we need to pay attention to a centre-right indisputable success that undoubtedly - let me be clear , in part - represents a 'respectable' voting choice for those who feel like 'lepenists' but cant quite raise themselves to the uncomfortable (that is, a politically incorrect) tag of being anti-immigrant.

the french as a nation have moved to the right. imo, it's a fact. diminishing le pen isn't going to change it.

sorry for the brutality of my honest opinion, one more of the hideous terror acts and le pen (or her nephew...whoever) will tower over France's right-wing governance...and i am not claiming any affinity to being an oracle. that's the plain historical societal reaction...

You're right, but it is still better for Le Pen to come second than first.

 

[blutto]

....find below a reference to a blow Canada recently made against Islamic radicalization in general and ISIS in particular....a blow that is based on an idea not much discussed in the Western press, which concentrates it seems on bombing the crap out of things and ratcheting up the tension....which oddly enough is a great recruiting tool for ISIS and related groups ( which as far as I'm concerned includes everyone who is looking to create problems they can solve with bombs )...this from Mitch Potter of The Toronto Star...
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"Canada as a whole, and not just the new Trudeau government, deserves huge credit for the courageous and heartening scenes this week from Pearson airport. In our collective welcome for the first wave of incoming Syrian refugees, we planted our flag uniquely deep in the heart of the “grey zone,” claiming it in the name of coexistence.

The grey zone — a term that emerged last February in the Islamic State propaganda magazine, Dabiq — denotes that huge and overwhelming swath of Muslims in the West who aren’t interested in what Islamic State is selling. In its quest for a world with two camps — caliphate versus crusaders — Islamic State needs to squeeze co-existence out of the equation.

AuthorLaila Lalami said it best in the New York Times Magazine last month, describing how the attacks in Paris were designed precisely to provoke the hate-stoking political rhetoric that followed, placing every Muslim in the West under suspicion and further diminishing the grey zone. “Every time the gray zone recedes, ISIS gains ground,” wrote Lalami.

Canada’s stand on refugees, I would argue, is winning back some serious grey."

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....and oh this quick overview of the history behind the current Syrian situation....

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-baath-party-as-the-west-doesnt-want-you-to-know-it/5319120

...which contains the following....

"After Hussein’s regime was toppled by the Coalition, the Ba’ath Party was outlawed in Iraq, an act which some suggest helped fuel Sunni elements of the insurgency that followed.

And now, it seems, decision-makers in the West have decided that it is the turn of Syria’s Ba’athists to fall. While many could look at Iraq and say with great confidence that Iraq was a resource grab targeting Iraq’s oil, as well as a money making exercise for mercenary companies, arms manufacturers, mega-corporations like Halliburton and its subsidiaries, and the banking cartels, Syria is different. Syria produces oil, yes, but nowhere near the scale that Iraq does.

Syria’s closeness with Iran and Lebanon’s Hezbollah will obviously stand out as a reason why the US, Israel, the EU, and the GCC want Assad’s government gone. But factoring in the Ba’ath Party’s three objectives of secularism, socialism, and pan-Arab unification, we see more ideological reasons, as well as the motivation for the militias operating under the Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood umbrellas.

Starting with pan-Arab unification, one is reminded of the line “united we stand, divided we fall”. A united Arab people is an idea that is utterly intolerable to the colonialists of the West, who rely on division and playing indigenous peoples off against each other to get their way in the region, allowing the blood to flow while they go about their business."

Cheers

 

[frenchfry]

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Le Pen finishes with zero(0) regions after today's regional elections in France

The success of the FN is rather incredible. I think it is largely due to the distaste for the existing political players, whose distain for actually running the country and desire for power, privilige and cronyism is no longer accepted.

Of course the big problem is that the FN, rather than offering an alternative, is even worse than the traditional parties. The head of the list for the region where I live is a vulgar, self-satisfied, uncultured pig yet she finished an incredibly close third in a virtual tie with the traditional right wing and left wing parties. In towns that have never seen an immigrant in their history she finished with over 50%, with the other 2 parties splitting the difference. As in the US, fear sells and that is basically all the FN knows how to do.

As to the movement of France to the right, you have to consider that even the tradional right party here would be considered extreme left in the US.

 

[Echoes]

The problem with the French is that they are too conformist. With a two round election, they would massively abstain in the first round and massively vote in the 2nd one. The exact opposite of what I would have done if I were one (thank God I ain't any ). It's beyond comprehension. Let us remember how big the abstention rate was at the last US Presidential elections. Wasn't it 60%? I've often been critical of the US but never of its people who are very pious and traditional (except on both coasts). That's a people that refuses to approve of imperialism and liberal-libertarian/globalist policies.

But it's all a confirmation of my theories. The FN has never gained any voters, they are only retaining their voters when "traditional parties" are losing them. The massive abstention of the first round boosted the FN and the massive participation of the 2nd round contained it.

The terrorist attacks obviously played no role in that. Many analysts predicted an FN win prior to the attacks and it did not happen. The migrant crisis might have helped the FN more than the attacks but even that did not help the FN.

As a matter of fact since the daughter took over from her father, the party dramatically changed. The daughter Le Pen is an unbearable secularist, Islamophobic, defending the secular school system despite its huge failure (shown by the recent attacks), in favour of veil ban against Muslims, support for Israel, etc. For all these reasons, she's red-baited by genuinely right-wing dissident movements in the French "underground". Because Islamophobia is what ALL traditional political parties in Europe and in the US have in common at this moment. ALL OF THEM! The Left insists on the defence of "secularism" and the pseudo-right insists on Islam being foreign to French traditions (while it's much closer to Christianity than "secularism" is). Her Islamophobia has nothing to do with her being far-right (which she's not) but with her being recentered in the midst of the political spectrum. That's why she's invited by all MSM.

Besides, she's wishy-washy about the European Union and absolutely unreliable when she advocate for Eurozone exit because she never advocate for European Union exit via article 50 of the TFEU, the only legal way to exit the Eurozone. She even clearly said during the last Presidential elections that a unilateral exit of the Eurozone had never been her project. It's quite clear. For that reason, François Asselineau of the UPR (anti-EU party) constantly trashes her, rightly so. Even with regards to NATO, she's wishy-washy while Asselineau clearly said his project was to exit NATO via art. 13 of the North Atlantic Treaty.

 

[rhubroma]

Re: Re:

Le Pen finishes with zero(0) regions after today's regional elections in France

The success of the FN is rather incredible. I think it is largely due to the distaste for the existing political players, whose distain for actually running the country and desire for power, privilige and cronyism is no longer accepted.

Of course the big problem is that the FN, rather than offering an alternative, is even worse than the traditional parties. The head of the list for the region where I live is a vulgar, self-satisfied, uncultured pig yet she finished an incredibly close third in a virtual tie with the traditional right wing and left wing parties. In towns that have never seen an immigrant in their history she finished with over 50%, with the other 2 parties splitting the difference. As in the US, fear sells and that is basically all the FN knows how to do.

As to the movement of France to the right, you have to consider that even the tradional right party here would be considered extreme left in the US.

The end of the Cold War and the one-thought idea of liberalism has taken the lymph out the left. This means that the "center" is merely varying degrees to the right of the political meridian. This has taken place throughout Western democracy, in the US just as in Europe, with the relative differences that the latter's social democracies have in respect to the former's hyper-individualism and privatization model.

Why in Italy Matteo Renzi is the latest reincarnation of Berlusconi! Renzi should, however, make a rigorous self-reflection to ascertain (first and foremost if himself), who brought up for the enth time this nonsense of the "Partito della Nazione." This slips out every now and again (injudiciously one might say) in the interviews.

But if there is one way to disorient the left's voters who gave Renzi their trust, a little or a lot doesn't matter; if there's a full proof system to give reason to those who say that renzism is so post-ideological as to have eviscerated the left of what still remains of the left, purged of its ideological poisons but still strong in its presupposed ideals; if there is a direct way to attribute not only as inevitability, but even with good reason, another scism (or refoundation front, or minority movement) which have been the left's ruin in Italy (and not only Italy it's infirmness and disunity before the rights appalling ideological fanaticism); if there is a sure way to nurish the many voices, those very partisan and those not, who blame renzism for being absorbing and under the surface, authoritarian; if there's a sure way to increase 5 Stelle's votes, which has thrived on being the anti-party party and that in a hyperparty would find its ideal target for its hyper-populism; if, in the end, there's a name that sounds invented precisely to emulate the two-cent communication artifice that Forza Italia personified; well, that is the Partito della Nazione.

As I said in the US Politics thread, the strong devide that once gave form and substance to the two politcal oppositions, has given way to a monolithic business party - or, where that has failed (now apparently everywhere), up rise the populists and the new fascists.

 

[blutto]

.....more stuff from the igloos of Soviet Canuckistan....this from a curmudgeon of legend , Rick Salutin...
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"Where did radicalization come from? The word, that is. Who makes the decision to drop these terms suddenly, like bombs, so that they decimate the political landscape and dominate all discussion? It also happened with “homeland.” Before 9/11, it had been widely deployed only in Nazi Germany.

What’s the problem with “radicalization”? I better sit down for this, it’ll take awhile. But it amounts to a misleading stress on process. It’s the izing emphasis that’s vacuous. “The two San Bernardino shooters were radicalized at least two years ago … FBI officials had previously said that the couple had been radicalized for ‘quite some time.’” Who cares when it happened — whatever “it” is, since that’s not defined — or even why. If you could date and time-stamp it, would it matter? It’s busy work that lets you avoid the crucial issue — which I’ll get to.

Why’s it pointless? Because the process that leads to radical outcomes — whatever they are — is various and malleable. Their experience radicalizes people — or doesn’t. What radicalized Palestinians? Their lives. Try talking to someone from Gaza about what they’ve lived through. What radicalized the civil rights generation in the U.S. or the kids in Soweto who went into the streets ready to die, day after day, till apartheid fell? Or the people at a Trump rally? It varies with the lives lived.

Yet Muslim radicalization discourse assumes there’s a single entity, like a virus, operating. As if you could isolate it in a lab, then develop an antidote to immunize the world (or the Mideast or Muslims). That’s crazy thinking.

At most, you can make broad, impractical generalizations: among youth, for instance, two routes stand out. There’s the social justice narrative. They’ve just emerged from the dependence of childhood and are keenly aware of power imbalances. And there’s the search for meaning. It needn’t be religious — it can be political, artistic etc. — but it involves sweeping answers to the puzzles of existence. Often, the two paths blend. The young are usually drawn to “radical” solutions since — things like the complexity of life aside — those make most sense."

...and....

"The real horror of this horror is that all other outlets for their impulses have been smothered, strangled and obliterated in the Mideast over generations. Alternatives like nationalism (Nasser), liberalism (Mosaddegh in Iran), secularism (the PLO) and socialism (the Ba’ath Party) were suppressed or overthrown by military tyrants (Egypt) and feudal monarchies (Saudi Arabia), often with Western complicity. Primitive religious movements were promoted as preferable. Israel aided the rise of Hamas; the U.S. backed jihadis in Afghanistan. When ISIS arrived, it stepped into a near vacuum. In many ways, this is a Pogo moment: we meet the enemy and it is (at least substantially enabled by) us."

....the rest here... http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/12/11/dont-waste-time-examining-radicalization-salutin.html

Cheers

 

[frenchfry]

Only one example, but a teacher was attacked by a crazy with a cutter that he found in the classroom. The teacher has superficial wounds.

Maybe the crazy didn't have easy to access to guns, like in another country, and therefore the damage was limited;

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/12/14/01016-20151214ARTFIG00126-aubervilliers-un-enseignant-attaque-a-l-arme-blanche-son-agresseur-invoque-daech.php

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

As I said in the US Politics thread, the strong devide that once gave form and substance to the two politcal oppositions, has given way to a monolithic business party - or, where that has failed (now apparently everywhere), up rise the populists and the new fascists.

no different in Australia. there are only very slight cosmetic changes. the motherhood bromide will inevitably appeal to a different side, a putative "left" or the putative "right". tho in essence, SSDD.

 

[Echoes]

Looool the so-called terrorist attack mentioned above has never existed.

The teacher mutilated himself. http://www.actualite-france.com/actualite/Agression-imaginaire-a-Aubervilliers-L-enseignant-s-est-auto-mutile-2015-12-14_706400.html

Islamophobia can get very far indeed.

Must be the "cowboy of Aubervilliers"

 

[Brullnux]

Looool the so-called terrorist attack mentioned above has never existed.

The teacher mutilated himself. http://www.actualite-france.com/actualite/Agression-imaginaire-a-Aubervilliers-L-enseignant-s-est-auto-mutile-2015-12-14_706400.html

Islamophobia can get very far indeed.

Must be the "cowboy of Aubervilliers"

I believe this is, through no better way of putting it, just being a complete and utter imbecile.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Looool the so-called terrorist attack mentioned above has never existed.

The teacher mutilated himself. http://www.actualite-france.com/actualite/Agression-imaginaire-a-Aubervilliers-L-enseignant-s-est-auto-mutile-2015-12-14_706400.html

Islamophobia can get very far indeed.

Must be the "cowboy of Aubervilliers"

Hilarious. But where did the post above mention terrorist attack? I think the wording used was crazy. Maybe it was in reference to another post?

 

[frenchfry]

Looool the so-called terrorist attack mentioned above has never existed.

The teacher mutilated himself. http://www.actualite-france.com/actualite/Agression-imaginaire-a-Aubervilliers-L-enseignant-s-est-auto-mutile-2015-12-14_706400.html

Islamophobia can get very far indeed.

Must be the "cowboy of Aubervilliers"

Hilarious. But where did the post above mention terrorist attack? I think the wording used was crazy. Maybe it was in reference to another post?

In fact I posted this news as a illustration of the consequences of a country without guns vs country with guns. No mention of terrorists or muslims. Echoes managed to turn this into an anti athiest, pro islam rant. Can't be easy living with so much hate for so many people.

Must admit the story sounded suspicious, after all what self respecting terrorist is up and attacking at 7am.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Looool the so-called terrorist attack mentioned above has never existed.

The teacher mutilated himself. http://www.actualite-france.com/actualite/Agression-imaginaire-a-Aubervilliers-L-enseignant-s-est-auto-mutile-2015-12-14_706400.html

Islamophobia can get very far indeed.

Must be the "cowboy of Aubervilliers"

Hilarious. But where did the post above mention terrorist attack? I think the wording used was crazy. Maybe it was in reference to another post?

In fact I posted this news as a illustration of the consequences of a country without guns vs country with guns. No mention of terrorists or muslims. Echoes managed to turn this into an anti athiest, pro islam rant. Can't be easy living with so much hate for so many people.

Must admit the story sounded suspicious, after all what self respecting terrorist is up and attacking at 7am.

Very true. Goats get up early you know.
Its a pattern with some.

 

[Brullnux]

In echoes' defence it was immediately reported on the BBC as an "attack by a man who claimed to support ISIS", as the self-multilating danger to humanity and children said that it was an Islamic extremist, prior to admitting that his imagination got the better of him. I'm not sure if it was islamophobia or just him having a perverted craving for being in the media for being subjected to a terrorist attack, but one thing is certain: this man is one crazy bastard.

 

[python]

as so often the guardian is on the top of the news about the glorious revolution i could find nowhere else in the western media...
Ukrainian minister throws water in Odessa governor's face
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/15/ukrainian-minister-throws-water-in-odessa-governors-face

Chaos broke out at a Ukrainian government meeting on Monday after the interior minister threw water in the face of Mikheil Saakashvili, formerly president of Georgia and now governor of Ukraine’s Odessa region. Arsen Avakov wrote on Facebook that Saakashvili had been “hysterical” during the meeting of the National Reform Council, and was screaming insults at him. “I refrained from hitting him, and just threw water in his face,” the minister wrote. “It’s a long time since I’ve seen such a bonkers populist. Nobody could get a word in edgeways, he was interrupting everyone including the president.”

in addition to the 'wetting' received from the all-powerful ukrainin head of police and security apparatus, the 'corruption fighter' also received some 'sweat' treatment of ukrain'e no.2 - the prime-minister

The prime minister called me a visiting performer, told me to get out of the country, and I’m not even going to repeat the other filth he said. I have seen a lot of prime ministers and presidents, and in an informal setting anything goes.

who is the poor chap ? the article gives a good summary:

During his time in charge of Georgia, he introduced a number of reforms, but also lost a war to Russia over South Ossetia, and was accused of having authoritarian tendencies. Saakashvili took Ukrainian citizenship to take up the Odessa post, and this month was stripped of his Georgian citizenship. He is wanted on various charges in Georgia

i can only add from memory, that saakashvili was shown on the telle (youtube clips are prolly still there)chewing his tie after vlad has allegedly swore to drown saaka in a public toilet face down for his invasion.

 

[rhubroma]

To use one's vote as a sandbag in front of the door to stop the flood from inundating one's house, and not to build something new and more beautiful, but to prevent loosing everything, is precisely what the French did to keep back the assault of Front National. But how many years can France remain like this? How long that is can the left continue to pinch their noses shut and vote not because they believe that change is possible, but to prevent from taking over the polis those who know nothing about the polis?

Choosing the least bad isn't something of little consequence in the long run, especially if in the mix is a chauvinist, populist, racist, fascist ballot, which is Front National. But for too many years, and not only in France (hence the US), the spirit of democracy seems to raise its voice only in the presence of a mortal danger and for the rest of the time exists in a mediocre routine: succubus to economic mechanisms conceived elsewhere, churning out - when it can - modest "reforms" that for the simple fact of having come into the world are touted as sensational. In fact politics have habituated us to a sterile chronicle. If the only moment of passion arises from wanting to defeat a Le Pen or the Donald, this should cause reflection upon how much democracy is aging, and poorly.

 

[Echoes]

Re:

In echoes' defence it was immediately reported on the BBC as an "attack by a man who claimed to support ISIS", as the self-multilating danger to humanity and children said that it was an Islamic extremist, prior to admitting that his imagination got the better of him. I'm not sure if it was islamophobia or just him having a perverted craving for being in the media for being subjected to a terrorist attack, but one thing is certain: this man is one crazy bastard.

Thank you. Exactly and that's what the poster above mentioned in his own post despite denying it:

[...] aubervilliers-un-enseignant-attaque-a-l-arme-blanche-son-agresseur-invoque-daech.php

He probably forgot about the fact I speak French. Unless he accepts what I've always said: ISIL is not Islamic, but a bunch of mercenaries paid, trained and armed by the USA who retrained them in an Iraki prison camp while they were coming from the secular Baathist administration of Saddam Hussein. But I'm not sure that this truth is accepted by MSM brainwashed people.

Anyway the advocates of gun control still need to explain to me why the criminality rate in Switzerland is not higher than in countries in which gun control laws exist, far from that, actually ... But they won't do it because there's no way to explain it from their viewpoint.

 

[blutto]

Re:

as so often the guardian is on the top of the news about the glorious revolution i could find nowhere else in the western media...
Ukrainian minister throws water in Odessa governor's face
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/15/ukrainian-minister-throws-water-in-odessa-governors-face

Chaos broke out at a Ukrainian government meeting on Monday after the interior minister threw water in the face of Mikheil Saakashvili, formerly president of Georgia and now governor of Ukraine’s Odessa region. Arsen Avakov wrote on Facebook that Saakashvili had been “hysterical” during the meeting of the National Reform Council, and was screaming insults at him. “I refrained from hitting him, and just threw water in his face,” the minister wrote. “It’s a long time since I’ve seen such a bonkers populist. Nobody could get a word in edgeways, he was interrupting everyone including the president.”

in addition to the 'wetting' received from the all-powerful ukrainin head of police and security apparatus, the 'corruption fighter' also received some 'sweat' treatment of ukrain'e no.2 - the prime-minister

The prime minister called me a visiting performer, told me to get out of the country, and I’m not even going to repeat the other filth he said. I have seen a lot of prime ministers and presidents, and in an informal setting anything goes.

who is the poor chap ? the article gives a good summary:

During his time in charge of Georgia, he introduced a number of reforms, but also lost a war to Russia over South Ossetia, and was accused of having authoritarian tendencies. Saakashvili took Ukrainian citizenship to take up the Odessa post, and this month was stripped of his Georgian citizenship. He is wanted on various charges in Georgia

i can only add from memory, that saakashvili was shown on the telle (youtube clips are prolly still there)chewing his tie after vlad has allegedly swore to drown saaka in a public toilet face down for his invasion.

....ahhhh.....the glorious revolution and Mikhail Saakashvili, gifts that just never stop giving....how and why the Merikans and the poodles in their circle continue to take these clowns seriously will be a subject of some debate among historians for eons to come, nay the end of time...

....like wtf, the clown car wasn't clownish enough so they had to reach out and bring in a case hardened Exceptionally approved pro....

...and while I have the floor, would like to add that Ms Clinton is on absolutely on board with this crew, because they represent something or other....go team....yay apple pie....

Cheers

 

[frenchfry]

Re: Re:

Anyway the advocates of gun control still need to explain to me why the criminality rate in Switzerland is not higher than in countries in which gun control laws exist, far from that, actually ... But they won't do it because there's no way to explain it from their viewpoint.

There is a handy expression: the exception that confirms the rule.

The average Swiss IQ is probably about 1,000 X that of the average gun-toting American's.

 

[python]

Re: Re:

as so often the guardian is on the top of the news about the glorious revolution i could find nowhere else in the western media...
Ukrainian minister throws water in Odessa governor's face
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/15/ukrainian-minister-throws-water-in-odessa-governors-face

Chaos broke out at a Ukrainian government meeting on Monday after the interior minister threw water in the face of Mikheil Saakashvili, formerly president of Georgia and now governor of Ukraine’s Odessa region. Arsen Avakov wrote on Facebook that Saakashvili had been “hysterical” during the meeting of the National Reform Council, and was screaming insults at him. “I refrained from hitting him, and just threw water in his face,” the minister wrote. “It’s a long time since I’ve seen such a bonkers populist. Nobody could get a word in edgeways, he was interrupting everyone including the president.”

in addition to the 'wetting' received from the all-powerful ukrainin head of police and security apparatus, the 'corruption fighter' also received some 'sweat' treatment of ukrain'e no.2 - the prime-minister

The prime minister called me a visiting performer, told me to get out of the country, and I’m not even going to repeat the other filth he said. I have seen a lot of prime ministers and presidents, and in an informal setting anything goes.

who is the poor chap ? the article gives a good summary:

During his time in charge of Georgia, he introduced a number of reforms, but also lost a war to Russia over South Ossetia, and was accused of having authoritarian tendencies. Saakashvili took Ukrainian citizenship to take up the Odessa post, and this month was stripped of his Georgian citizenship. He is wanted on various charges in Georgia

i can only add from memory, that saakashvili was shown on the telle (youtube clips are prolly still there)chewing his tie after vlad has allegedly swore to drown saaka in a public toilet face down for his invasion.

....ahhhh.....the glorious revolution and Mikhail Saakashvili, gifts that just never stop giving....how and why the Merikans and the poodles in their circle continue to take these clowns seriously will be a subject of some debate among historians for eons to come, nay the end of time...

....like wtf, the clown car wasn't clownish enough so they had to reach out and bring in a case hardened Exceptionally approved pro....

...and while I have the floor, would like to add that Ms Clinton is on absolutely on board with this crew, because they represent something or other....go team....yay apple pie....

Cheers

here's more hilarious entertainment from the revolutionary clowns...this happened just 2 days before the saakashviiy was 'handled' by the prime-minister and his chief cop, except this time it was the prime-minister himself 'handled roughly' right in front of cameras during his speech in parliament.

...some opposition mp comes up to a revolutionary prime-minister, hands him a beautiful bunch of flowers, and then... suddenly grabs him by the balls - literally - and hurls him up in the air. the ensuing brawl of the clowns is almost boring in comparison. see for yourself:

Balls & Brawls: Big fight in Ukraine parliament after opposition MP goes for PM Yatsenyuk’s crotch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zgTl6-KWqg

it's hard to imagine even as a screen idea for a funky film

 

[blutto]

Re: Re:

as so often the guardian is on the top of the news about the glorious revolution i could find nowhere else in the western media...
Ukrainian minister throws water in Odessa governor's face
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/15/ukrainian-minister-throws-water-in-odessa-governors-face

Chaos broke out at a Ukrainian government meeting on Monday after the interior minister threw water in the face of Mikheil Saakashvili, formerly president of Georgia and now governor of Ukraine’s Odessa region. Arsen Avakov wrote on Facebook that Saakashvili had been “hysterical” during the meeting of the National Reform Council, and was screaming insults at him. “I refrained from hitting him, and just threw water in his face,” the minister wrote. “It’s a long time since I’ve seen such a bonkers populist. Nobody could get a word in edgeways, he was interrupting everyone including the president.”

in addition to the 'wetting' received from the all-powerful ukrainin head of police and security apparatus, the 'corruption fighter' also received some 'sweat' treatment of ukrain'e no.2 - the prime-minister

The prime minister called me a visiting performer, told me to get out of the country, and I’m not even going to repeat the other filth he said. I have seen a lot of prime ministers and presidents, and in an informal setting anything goes.

who is the poor chap ? the article gives a good summary:

During his time in charge of Georgia, he introduced a number of reforms, but also lost a war to Russia over South Ossetia, and was accused of having authoritarian tendencies. Saakashvili took Ukrainian citizenship to take up the Odessa post, and this month was stripped of his Georgian citizenship. He is wanted on various charges in Georgia

i can only add from memory, that saakashvili was shown on the telle (youtube clips are prolly still there)chewing his tie after vlad has allegedly swore to drown saaka in a public toilet face down for his invasion.

....ahhhh.....the glorious revolution and Mikhail Saakashvili, gifts that just never stop giving....how and why the Merikans and the poodles in their circle continue to take these clowns seriously will be a subject of some debate among historians for eons to come, nay the end of time...

....like wtf, the clown car wasn't clownish enough so they had to reach out and bring in a case hardened Exceptionally approved pro....

...and while I have the floor, would like to add that Ms Clinton is on absolutely on board with this crew, because they represent something or other....go team....yay apple pie....

Cheers

here's more hilarious entertainment from the revolutionary clowns...this happened just 2 days before the saakashviiy was 'handled' by the prime-minister and his chief cop, except this time it was the prime-minister himself 'handled roughly' right in front of cameras during his speech in parliament.

...some opposition mp comes up to a revolutionary prime-minister, hands him a beautiful bunch of flowers, and then... suddenly grabs him by the balls - literally - and hurls him up in the air. the ensuing brawl of the clowns is almost boring in comparison. see for yourself:

Balls & Brawls: Big fight in Ukraine parliament after opposition MP goes for PM Yatsenyuk’s crotch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zgTl6-KWqg

it's hard to imagine even as a screen idea for a funky film

....too funny....nice example of a classic bouncer move that ( ....though to be honest wasn't actually fully executed....because after you reach under to grab the belt, not his Johnson, you then grab the uhhh, client by the collar...you then have the client under control and you proceed to drive/carry/haul said client to an exit....upon reaching exit you use client's head to open exit....repeat until exit opens or client loses consciousness...close exit immediately after client leaves the premises...)....lovely move, works like a charm...

......that definitely goes in the words fail me file...

Cheers

 

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Anyway the advocates of gun control still need to explain to me why the criminality rate in Switzerland is not higher than in countries in which gun control laws exist, far from that, actually ... But they won't do it because there's no way to explain it from their viewpoint.

There is a handy expression: the exception that confirms the rule.

The average Swiss IQ is probably about 1,000 X that of the average gun-toting American's.

Also I think the reason Swiss have guns is because of a lot of villages in the mountains' main source of income is agriculture and without it they would be in poverty so the guns are used to shoot any wild animals (not including humans) that go in the farmers' land.