And yet, why do a spanish scholar ask the question:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/charlemagne/2009/03/why_is_spain_so_corrupt
http://www.economist.com/blogs/charlemagne/2009/03/why_is_spain_so_corrupt
It seems to treat them as Heroes.Señor_Contador said:And lastly, it's not that Spain has a tolerant attitude towards doping, it does not treat dopers as criminals. Two diffent things.
good article!Suedehead said:And yet, why do a spanish scholar ask the question:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/charlemagne/2009/03/why_is_spain_so_corrupt
good point!Benotti69 said:It seems to treat them as Heroes.
Spain, the country, does not treat people as anything. SOME Spanish people, the ones I believe you are referring to, may treat their champions like heroes.Benotti69 said:It seems to treat them as Heroes.
If you base your perception of a group of people, Spaniards, Jews, Eritreans, et cetera, on a perception index... WOW.Suedehead said:And yet, why do a spanish scholar ask the question:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/charlemagne/2009/03/why_is_spain_so_corrupt
posted this yesterday somewhere around here, with summary translation.Andynonomous said:
Could you post the link that that post perhaps?sniper said:posted this yesterday somewhere around here, with summary translation.
you're checking in way too sporadically, andynonomous![]()
The article was discussed (or at least posted) in the DelMoral/Marti/Ferrari thread yesterday.Andynonomous said:
Tyler'sTwin said:Found this El Mundo article from 2009.
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2009/11/25/masdeporte/1259142455.html
Google translate says:
Here's a screencap of LGDM's CV that was taken off IMD's site.
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"Asesor Médico de diversos equipos de Fútbol entre los que destaca el Barcelona CF y el Valencia CF."
"Medical Adviser of various football teams most notably FC Barcelona and Valencia CF."
sniper said:The German press is all over it. But they're just jealous of course.
The below is from today, one of the biggest German newspapers, Süddeutsche Zeitung, questioning the Spanish Golden Generation of sports.
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/spaniens-spitzensport-weltliche-hilfe-fuer-die-generation-gold-1.1410286
a snippet of what is very good reading (and long overdue):
TRANSLATION: "the recent developments regarding Armstrong's helpers go well beyond cycling. They concern the whole of Spanish topsports: football, tennis, athletics, cycling. Generation Gold they call it - but there might well be illegal grounds for this remarkable dominance"
sniper said:yeah, sorry about that. time is not on my side, but basically the article says that all three banned doctors have maintained contacts to members/teams of the propeloton up till very recently if not up till today, so that Pat's mantra that the USADA case is supposedly part of the past is really a non-argument.
And e.g. with guys like Contador (Marti's customer) returning from suspension, the USADA case actually very much concerns the future of cycling.
Re: Ferrari: he's now presumably acting from/practicing in Switzerland.
Re: del Moral: until a few days ago, he was a principal representative of a firm that offers cycling training programs online. After the Usada case broke, his name was removed from the website.
Re: del Moral: the article also provides some details on his involvement in tennis and, new to me, that he was hired by FC Barcelona and FC Valencia in the recent past.
.......................sniper said:German press calling BS on Pat's argument that the LA vs. USADA case is "part of the past":
http://www.sportschau.de/weitere/radsport/gesperrtearmstronghelfer100.html
Interesting details on Del Moral:
Sorry, LGDM's CV can actually be found here.Tyler'sTwin said:Here's a screencap of LGDM's CV that was taken off IMD's site.
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