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If it rains I'm not sure gva and Gilbert are stronger than Aquaman wellens. Actually I'm quite sure they aren't and I think I read somewhere that it rains quite often in BergenSamamba said:Red Rick said:Tim Wellens is going for the WC this year? The Belgians need him for a rainy day.
He wants to, but obv GVA & Gilbert are gonne be the leaders of the team.
Jagartrott said:Sorry del-boy - I'm not ignorant.del1962 said:Did you actually watch the race, Sagan was doing loads of chasing, not much help from those with is, yo come across as a bit ignorant
The groups Sagan encountered were dead meat. Riders shed on such a parcours under these weather conditions are of no use to you, the strongest are in front. So expecting help from them is stupid (no teammates there), and getting frustrated because they try to stay with you is equally stupid. They're there because they were not strong enough to follow, so shed them and concentrate only on minimizing the loss. Ultimately, he would've been riding one against two (Wellens - Dumoulin). Dumoulin also concentrated only on himself in that Giro stage, ignored wheelsuckers, and it won him the race (and my immense respect). Sagan had a 'Flanders' stage upcoming, where he should be better than both Wellens and Dumoulin. It was not impossible.
Dr. Watson said:Screecher said:Sometimes i wish Sagan had the engine of Cancellara but i guess you can´t have it all...
you can buy it though...
Surprised? The last race where he was in top shape was Paris Roubaix.Dekker_Tifosi said:I'm still surprised GVA was not in that final selection. He had Dumoulin's wheel.. he just couldn't follow. On a long climb ok, but this was like 1km at 8%. Hmm
He kinda had a point however. It is hard to not see Sagan trying to "police" the peleton "culture" whenever there seems to be no impetus to race the race.Durden93 said:Yeah, because the advantage of drafting on a mountain and the flat are the same :lol:
He got the puncture just to have an excuse for you :lol:Echoes said:There's always a good excuse.
Yes, today was very flat indeed. How long was Gilbert's solo in RVV?Durden93 said:Jagartrott said:Sorry del-boy - I'm not ignorant.del1962 said:Did you actually watch the race, Sagan was doing loads of chasing, not much help from those with is, yo come across as a bit ignorant
The groups Sagan encountered were dead meat. Riders shed on such a parcours under these weather conditions are of no use to you, the strongest are in front. So expecting help from them is stupid (no teammates there), and getting frustrated because they try to stay with you is equally stupid. They're there because they were not strong enough to follow, so shed them and concentrate only on minimizing the loss. Ultimately, he would've been riding one against two (Wellens - Dumoulin). Dumoulin also concentrated only on himself in that Giro stage, ignored wheelsuckers, and it won him the race (and my immense respect). Sagan had a 'Flanders' stage upcoming, where he should be better than both Wellens and Dumoulin. It was not impossible.
Yeah, because the advantage of drafting on a mountain and the flat are the same :lol:
I think Sagan is getting frustrated on the long run. It's probably not much fun when most riders prefer guaranteed loss in not working with him to small chance while working with him.Jagartrott said:Like I said, I was disappointed by Sagan today.
Because it is the norm. Don't work with Sagan.d-s3 said:Not really saying it's other riders fault...
It's just the feeling I get from some of his outbursts in his native language.
Well, to a degree I think they're stupid at times. Sometimes its tactics to have a chance to win, then it's fine, but sometimes it's so clear that if they won't work they will all loose and they still don't work.
Anyway, their job, their tactics...
Sagan is immensely talented physically, he's great bike handler, ... , I even like his stupid videos, but my opinion is that the extra talent he got is somewhat compensated by simpler mind. Not saying he's stupid, I do not know, but he's no Kwiatko when it comes to cleverness. That's his major weakness.
Durden93 said:Also, great ride by Wellens. Good to see more from him than a late attack.