2013 Cleanest Peloton Ever

[blackcat]

I found a spreadsheet somewhere and apparently Cancellara pedals quick when TTing - like 110+rpm, apparently. Would love to see him on the pursuit circuit. Put some of this "big engine" myth explaining GT performances by autobus card holders to rest.

Ed Clancy's numbers were better than Wiggo.

 

[Racelap]

Record setting TTT.

Cannondale pulls past three other teams like a train to put Sagan up front.

Froome sets an EPO era time up Ax 3.

Hmmm.

 

[johnsiviour]

Power increase

How do you know that he doesn't?

If that statement is an exageration, and Greg only had the 10th or 100th highest MVO2 ever measured, is the point diluted?

(According to this reference, Greg has the fifth highest MVO2 ever measured.)

I am sure that my 30% estimate of additional required power output is off, as well.

Can you provide us with a more precise estimate of how much more power is required to go from 34 to 37 mph?



Dave.

I estimate approximately 19% increase in power.

Drag proportional to speed V squared
Power W proportional to drag
Therefore power proportional to speed squared.

 

[SaxonUK]

Record setting TTT.

Cannondale pulls past three other teams like a train to put Sagan up front.

Froome sets an EPO era time up Ax 3.

Hmmm.

It's not looking good for this years Tour

 

[rata de sentina]

Except for Garmin, who are looking cleaner by each stage.

Dave.

By this measure BMC are ultra clean. Maybe now Gilbert will get the go ahead to hunt stages.

 

[D-Queued]

I estimate approximately 19% increase in power.

Drag proportional to speed V squared
Power W proportional to drag
Therefore power proportional to speed squared.

Works for me.

So, all Lemond needs to do in order to catch up is to increase his MVO2 by 19%, or up to 110.

How much can EPO increase your HCT?

Dave.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I estimate approximately 19% increase in power.

Drag proportional to speed V squared
Power W proportional to drag
Therefore power proportional to speed squared.

It's cubed.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I take back all that sh!t I wrote in my first post on this thread.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I take back all that sh!t I wrote in my first post on this thread.

This one?

I am going to buck the trend and say that I believe this year is probably the cleanest in many years simply because of the attention busting Lance has brought. I think that many riders will question whether it is wise in this atmosphere to dope. Certainly there is doping, but I really believe (on a gut level mind you) that it is cleaner this year.

We'll see if a doping scandal during the Tour changes my mind.

I thought it was reasonable.

 

[Turner29]

Record setting TTT.

Cannondale pulls past three other teams like a train to put Sagan up front.

Froome sets an EPO era time up Ax 3.

Hmmm.

Froome's secret is Thyroid Hormone, amongst a few other gray area drugs and methods>

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323550604578412913149043072.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet

 

[Turner29]

More to come on this. TBF, I don't think Wiggan's absence is due to injury.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

More to come on this. TBF, I don't think Wiggan's absence is due to injury.

I was thinking today how funny it would be for Wiggins to go Landis, but I don't think he has the strength of character to do it.

 

[erader]

I was thinking today how funny it would be for Wiggins to go Landis, but I don't think he has the strength of character to do it.

I think sir wiggins also wants to keep the yellow jersey, positive press and his knighthood (can they revoke the latter?). maybe that explains why skynesto dumped its british TDF champ?

early on wiggins talked a good one when he was anti-doper but he sold out so i'm going with lack of spine and character.

 

[Galic Ho]

More to come on this. TBF, I don't think Wiggan's absence is due to injury.

I've been saying this since the Giro del Trentino.

He knew how far he'd crossed the line and BACKED OFF.

The rest of Sky are too stupid to do that.

Edit to the above two comments from ChewbaccaD and erader: Wiggins won't squeal. Unless they (Sky and British Cycling) throw him under the bus. He goes down ALL British Gold medal winners from last years Olympics look dirty. All of them. Ain't gonna happen by British impetus. Foreigners? Yep, they could do it. ASO are too dirty to. UCI? Who knows. AFLD? Maybe if the French politicians give them a mandate. That is asking a lot.

To go back to May and the Giro! Would be good. CONI actually bust dopers don't they! Same with the RCS! Get your act together France, Italy is winning AGAIN!

 

[Pulpstar]

Back in the 2000s I thought Lance was clean, because well he was in an American team. The sport had had all the Festina stuff in 1998 and it was clearly the 'continental' teams doping. US Postal simply trained harder than anyone else, he'd never failed a test. He was the most tested athlete in sport. He'd come back from surviving cancer - perhaps the cancer drugs had boosted his performance somehow and now he was. Well he was more naturally talented than everyone else and ok so I didn't think he LOOKED like a natural climber (Quite tall probably 70 rather than 60 kg) but he must have an incredible engine, combined with alot of hard work and training. Not like those continental teams who barely train. He's american and america cyclists don't cheat.

Now skip ahead to 2012. David Brailsford has bought in a huge haul of gold medals completely dominating track cycling. We've trained harder than everyone else, specifically peaked for the olympics.
And Wiggins is destroying every other climber on the cols, including Nibali. Ok He doesn't look like a climber (Too tall) but hey he's a Jam fan and has the Rondel on his helmet. He's a mod, and 2012 BBC Sports personality of the year.
Skip forward to 2013 and we have Richie Porte looking like he's not even suffering producing a time faster than all the other climbers in the world after pulling almost the entire climb (Certainly from 7.3 km out). And then there is Froome, he's producing climbing times faster than Armstrong did in 2003, and wasn't far off the 2001 pace after a quickish Pailheres (Did they do that in 2001 ?) in the heat and with a headwind

But Sir David Brailsford, Sir Bradley Wiggins. SIR. Sports personality of the year, and hero to millions. And Chris Froome, one of the nicest guys in the peloton. And he's recovered from Bilharzia. That is a crippling tropical disease.
And British athletes don't cheat - we just don't.

PLUS CA CHANGE PLUS C'EST LA MEME CHOSE.

 

[rata de sentina]

I take back all that sh!t I wrote in my first post on this thread.

Actually I think current events are pretty much proving your point, most people seem to be normal. Unfortunately this probably means they'll take it up again because they can't compete.

 

[Turner29]

I've been saying this since the Giro del Trentino.

He knew how far he'd crossed the line and BACKED OFF.

The rest of Sky are too stupid to do that.

Edit to the above two comments from ChewbaccaD and erader: Wiggins won't squeal. Unless they (Sky and British Cycling) throw him under the bus. He goes down ALL British Gold medal winners from last years Olympics look dirty. All of them. Ain't gonna happen by British impetus. Foreigners? Yep, they could do it. ASO are too dirty to. UCI? Who knows. AFLD? Maybe if the French politicians give them a mandate. That is asking a lot.

To go back to May and the Giro! Would be good. CONI actually bust dopers don't they! Same with the RCS! Get your act together France, Italy is winning AGAIN!

Porte played the game today...

 

[Gugashwill]

I think till the second rest day we'll hear some news about positive sample from tomorrow's stage.

 

[buckle]

Except for Garmin, who are looking cleaner by each stage.

Dave.

I believe Sunday was fixed for Garmin. Keeps the Irish hacks off the scent as well. *** even Kelly was complaining about Saturday. I reckon DB was told by CP that you either rein in Porte or I will.

 

[TourOfTexas]

I suspect that after a rest day and some consumption of the blood bag stash, the playing field will be a little more level in the remaining mountain stages.

I also suspect that Froome peaked a little late and will not be as impressive later in the race.

 

[Franklin]

I'm probably missing some stuff. Please fill it in.

Nice attempt... but you only need to list medical staff and it's a slam dunk case of Omerta.

Hey Dr. Menuet, seems you are still around at cycling?

 

[sniper]

is a certain @jeffvolkmer known around here?
Here he is asking JV what all the talk in the affidavits about a clean peloton post-2006 is supposed to mean.
No answer from JV.

@Vaughters @ScottMercier1 The magical 'clean after 06' just strains at the seams believability. It's awfully convenient that a clean bomb...

@Vaughters @ScottMercier1 ...drops the year LA retires. Also, quite frankly the timeline of LL's affidavit just doesn't add up.

@Vaughters @ScottMercier1 My only pt has always been that if you're going on record w/USADA affidavit why not just go all the way?

 

[hrotha]

Another day of top riders from the same teams having remarkably close performances.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

If a mediocre rider like Froome is able to become so dominant through doping, isn't it a positive sign that the peloton is getting much cleaner?

 

[sniper]

If a mediocre rider like Froome is able to become so dominant through doping, isn't it a positive sign that the peloton is getting much cleaner?

armstrong showed similar dominance and the peloton wasn't exactly clean.