2013 Critérium du Dauphiné Stage 5: Grésy-sur-Aix Valmorel (139 km)

[Miburo]

Not really

"Critérium du Dauphiné 2013, stage five: Chris Froome blows Alberto Contador away to take overall lead

Team Sky's Chris Froome delivered Alberto Contador a devestating blow on Thursday after the Briton won stage five of Critérium du Dauphiné to take the overall lead in the eight-day race."

"The Kenyan-born rider, who currently leads the Critérium du Dauphiné after crushing his "biggest threat" Alberto Contador in Thursday's fifth stage, received another boost last week when Wiggins was forced to pull out of Team Sky's nine-man Tour outfit."

Though, to be fair, it is the same guy who wrote those two articles. I guess he's a bit of a fanboy

Let them talk, i hope the spanish press are writing Contador sucks, i hope. Champions drive on that, get better. Look how he got destroyed on the galibier 2 years ago and what he did the day after.

The more sh!t they talk the better, show him no respect, claim that Froome already won the tour.

 

[airstream]

It isnt. Its better. But I doubt Contador will be able to reach his former 100% level.

How you came to that? I'd like to know your way of reasoning on the matter.

 

[JimPanzen]

How you came to that? I'd like to know your way of reasoning on the matter.

Seriously, you should stop asking everybody to reason their arguments when you make weak assumptions in every other post.

 

[movingtarget]

Question marks from me too. Last year they always controled the pace in the peloton with their steady rhythm obviously because they had the yellow jersey and because no one else wanted to (sometimes probably couldn't). Today Movistar assumed control on the final climb and probably because of their pace Kiryienka and Thomas dropped rather early. Except Porte i don't see anyone sticking with Froome until the final kilometres. Team Sky 2012 had Rogers, Porte, Froome and Wiggins. Now they have Porte and Froome.

When the front group has only a dozen or so riders and two of them are Sky riders what is wrong with that ? There was no need for Froome to attack earlier as Dennis was dropped. All year Contador has been attacking and getting caught before the finish. Contador is the one over three minutes behind. I thought Rogers looked good and Contador rode well even though he was outsprinted. Movistar did a lot of work but for no gain. Valverde tried hard and rode well. Rodriguez and VDB were poor and Sanchez is now not riding the Tour which is probably wise. Poor Busche. I hoped he would hang on but Contador's attack ruined his day.

 

[airstream]

Seriously, you should stop asking everybody to reason their arguments when you make weak assumptions in every other post.

Your assumptions are better?

 

[Cimber]

How you came to that? I'd like to know your way of reasoning on the matter.

Following the sport for 20+ year and comparing the best I have seen from Froome and from Contador over the years.

I know you will disagree, but that doesn't weight for much since you will notoriously disagree with any one who has anything positive to say about Contador. But if its any consolation for you, I also think the old Andy at 100% would outclimb Froome (but of course lose way to much on the TTs)

 

[JimPanzen]

Your assumptions are better?

Not at all, but also I don't act like I'm posting facts and others just post stupid bs

 

[shinoda13]

When the front group has only a dozen or so riders and two of them are Sky riders what is wrong with that ?

Today it was fine for them. But at the Tour there will be Valverde with Quintana, Contador with Rogers, Kreuziger and Roche, Moreno1 with Moreno2 and so on. When attacks come left, right and centre Porte and Froome will be under pressure.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Today it was fine for them. But at the Tour there will be Valverde with Quintana, Contador with Rogers, Kreuziger and Roche, Moreno1 with Moreno2 and so on. When attacks come left, right and centre Porte and Froome will be under pressure.

Presume Roche is a typo.

In the tour, he won't be climbing any better than Kyrienka & Lopez.

 

[Cimber]

Today it was fine for them. But at the Tour there will be Valverde with Quintana, Contador with Rogers, Kreuziger and Roche, Moreno1 with Moreno2 and so on. When attacks come left, right and centre Porte and Froome will be under pressure.

Especially if they manage to break up the SKy train early and attack on descents and/or on 2nd last climb etc etc. If they w8 till the last 5km it will be difficult. They need to be willing to risk losing 20mins if they fail. All or nothing. Contador is known to make such moves since 2nd place means nothing for him. If others are also willing to risk it all it could be interesting indeed.

 

[airstream]

Following the sport for 20+ year and comparing the best I have seen from Froome and from Contador over the years.

I know you will disagree, but that doesn't weight for much since you will notoriously disagree with any one who has anything positive to say about Contador. But if its any consolation for you, I also think the old Andy at 100% would outclimb Froome (but of course lose way to much on the TTs)

Have you seen attacking Froome at 100%?

 

[Cimber]

Presume Roche is a typo.

In the tour, he won't be climbing any better than Kyrienka & Lopez.

Apple and oranges. Kyrienka is a beast for those long and steady speed pulls that slowly drains every one. TST will not be doing that since what would only be paying the Sky game. What they need to do is select their moments and then pull so hard that it all explodes in a few minutes.

 

[spalco]

What is funny is that the other day on velorooms we were discussing Alberto. I didn't agree, but quite a lot of knowledgeable posters seemed to agree that another tour win wouldn't add as much to his palmares as say a LBL win.

In other words. He has already won so many stage races, a 2nd place wouldn't add anything and even another tour win wouldn't add that much.

I think another Tour win would add tremendously to Contador's palmares, since technically he hasn't won the Tour since 2009, so another win would be a sort of comeback.

 

[Ruby United]

Is it counted as Contador got dropped by Froome or Contador managed to stay with froome.

 

[JimPanzen]

Have you seen attacking Froome at 100%?

When we talk about percentages here, not only referred to this topic/post, but in general, the question for me always is...85, 90, 95, 100%...off what? 100% effort, 100% off his best form he ever had, 100% off the form he could reach in his current state? I think a lot of those numbers are getting mixed up during discussions, and I'm not even talking about if a forum poster on here is even able to estimate any of those numbers.

 

[shinoda13]

Presume Roche is a typo.

In the tour, he won't be climbing any better than Kyrienka & Lopez.

With a proper preparation i rate Roche higher in climbing ability than any other Sky rider for this tour except Porte and Froome.

 

[Cimber]

Have you seen attacking Froome at 100%?

I am pretty sure he was 100% last Tour and he made one genuine attack then. I also think he wasn't far off this spring. Of course no one can tell when a rider has shown his all time best. But following your line of argument then in theory there is even a slight possibility that Contador hasn't shown his 100% yet.

WE can never be sure, and no one can bring u the proof you are looking for. But what I can give you is my best shot based on experience and what I have seen. Feel free to draw other conclusions, but you wont be able to bring 100% proof of the opposite either. You can either agree with my assessment or u can disagree, but you cant play you enjoy so much regarding demanding 100% factual proof.

 

[gooner]

Have you seen attacking Froome at 100%?

But what tells you Froome could stay with a Contador at 100%?

And I'm talking about Verbier, Etna and Plateau de Beille where he was even quicker than Armstrong's previous on.

The Contador now is even a pale significant of the one we saw in the Vuelta and his performances there were nowhere near the ones mentioned above. Take Arrate this year where he didn't even attack once and didn't show any inclination of doing so either. Well over a minute slower than his one in the Vuelta last year. Today he couldn't even make an attack from just over a km out stick.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I think another Tour win would add tremendously to Contador's palmares, since technically he hasn't won the Tour since 2009, so another win would be a sort of comeback.

I agree but many don't lol also 3 wins sounds way better than 2 wins

 

[Miburo]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-away-to-take-overall-lead.html#disqus_thread

Reading these articles i really don't care if it's Contador that's gonna crush them, aslong as someone does it. ****ing brits...Last year they were mad cause people said it would be a different tour with Contador and now they can't pass any chance celebrating froome is crushing him

I guess it's normal but damn it's annoying

 

[Christian]

Gutted for Matty Bouché, that was a great ride and he woud have deserved the win! Close but no cigar....

 

[Cimber]

This is interesting. Statements after the stage:

Froome: "This is super. I couldn't be in better form"

Contador: "I am happy I was a little - but only a little - better than yesterday. I know this time of year is not the best for my due to my allergy, but I get better day by day".

http://www.feltet.dk/nyheder/froome_efter_sejr_formen_kunne_ikke_vaere_bedre/
http://www.feltet.dk/nyheder/optimistisk_contador_formen_bliver_bedre/

There is a risk the journalist misinterpreted or translated the Froome part badly, but still somewhat interesting. At least it indicates that Froome feels closer to his 100% than Bertie does.

 

[maltiv]

This is getting totally out of hand, every single headline I've read about today's stage has made it sound as if Froome put 2 minutes into Contador and the rest of the field...

Winning a MTF by 4 seconds is not a "crushing blow" or "devastating victory" or whatever they are writing. "Froome could not drop Contador" or "Froome outsprints Contador" would be more suiting headlines.

 

[Miburo]

This is getting totally out of hand, every single headline I've read about today's stage has made it sound as if Froome put 2 minutes into Contador and the rest of the field...

Winning a MTF by 4 seconds is not a "crushing blow" or "devastating victory" or whatever they are writing. "Froome could not drop Contador" or "Froome outsprints Contador" would be more suiting headlines.

How do you think Contador feels?

Usually i don't really get annoyed but if contador has 1/10 of the rage i have he should be good

 

[maltiv]

How do you think Contador feels?

Usually i don't really get annoyed but if contador has 1/10 of the rage i have he should be good

Imagine if Valverde were there, he'd have taken 2 seconds out of Froome in the sprint and the headlines would be "Valverde drops Froome like a stone" or "Valverde delivers devastating blow to Froome's TDF ambitions"

Obviously no one would write that as it's *** (which they can't see in this case due to their enormous bias).