2013 Critérium du Dauphiné Stage 5: Grésy-sur-Aix Valmorel (139 km)

[spalco]

There is a risk the journalist misinterpreted or translated the Froome part badly, but still somewhat interesting. At least it indicates that Froome feels closer to his 100% than Bertie does.

Froome said in his post-stage interview explicitely that he doesn't feel he's at top form yet.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

73. VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen 21 LOTTO-BELISOL 3h 38' 37" + 09' 58"

Supposedly sick and on antibiotics since today.

 

[shalgo]

Navarro now up to 6th overall--his illegal drafting in yesterday's time trial might yet get him on the podium.

 

[The Hitch]

Presume Roche is a typo.

In the tour, he won't be climbing any better than Kyrienka & Lopez.

I get kiryenka but Lopez? Roche has a top 7 in the vuelta.

 

[The Hitch]

The only rider that rode at the same time as him that beat him was Menchov. He was better than all the others in the top-10 of the GC.

He took 30 seconds out of Andy schleck in a 50k flat tt. Before the race under 1 minute was not even an option in the poll. Everyone thought Andy would be lucky to get within 2 mins.

Also samu came pretty close to contadors time and he was riding with a broken wrist.

you say Contador beat everyone who started with him. Who of those riders gave a ****? Of the ones that did there was jvdb, 2010 gesink who was like the worst gc tter ever, murito, ugh, kreuziger maybe.

 

[Telmisartan new]

I am getting the right hump with these clowns giving it "Froome owns Contador" or "Froome is gonna own Contador and the rest at the Tour" What is this "own" rubbish, nobody owns anyone in pro cycling, the riders themselves would never say stuff like that, its a sport that can turn on a rider in the blink of an eye.

I heard this same crap in the first week of the Vuelta last year,"Froome is going to own Contador", yeah well,we seen how that worked out,then before the Giro it was "Wiggins is in the form of his life,better than last year's TDF,he's going to own Nibali" yeah well,we seen him descending like an old granny then chucking in the towel,now its the same garbage all over again,rabid Sky fanboys dishing out the punishment then scurrying away like little rats when they are left looking stupid.

Froome is the worthy Tour favourite and Contador will need to improve quite a bit but nothing is certain in cycling or in life,so please stop all this "own" BS.

 

[Pippo_San]

10 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Astana Pro Team 0:00:29

You'd better watch out. He's coming. He'll make no prisoners.

 

[airstream]

But what tells you Froome could stay with a Contador at 100%?

And I'm talking about Verbier, Etna and Plateau de Beille where he was even quicker than Armstrong's previous on.

The Contador now is even a pale significant of the one we saw in the Vuelta and his performances there were nowhere near the ones mentioned above. Take Arrate this year where he didn't even attack once and didn't show any inclination of doing so either. Well over a minute slower than his one in the Vuelta last year. Today he couldn't even make an attack from just over a km out stick.

Unlike Cimber, I base on uncertainty, not on one's superiority, because that is an utopian comparison by default. When one of them beats other, it automatically makes other look not very good (not at 100%). In theory they can both prepared at 100%, but one will inevitably be better which is doomed to entail talks about not perfect preparedness of the other one

IMO Froome never showed his 100% effort in a GT, but given how he tried to attack in the vuelta while being in not a good shape and how he doesn't try to trick and likes to attack straight from the 1st position like today... I suspet there is a LOT of interesting stuff in his attacking arsenal

 

[qwerty16]

Today it was fine for them. But at the Tour there will be Valverde with Quintana, Contador with Rogers, Kreuziger and Roche, Moreno1 with Moreno2 and so on. When attacks come left, right and centre Porte and Froome will be under pressure.

None of the mentioned domestiques will be any kind of threat to Sky. So what if they start attacking left and right? They are most likely so far down in the GC there won't be any kind of reaction by Sky. And apart from that, none of them, apart from Quintana, will be able to even create any decent gap on guys like Lopez/Kiryienka. The Saxo boys are probably able to hang with Contador with like four or five guys, but I guess they will all will be gone when it gets serious.

These kind of scenario's look good on paper, but they hardly ever become reality.

 

[Boeing]

Is RS posting wattage for their riders? I'd be interested in Busche's output over certain periods of time.

 

[Cimber]

Unlike Cimber, I base on uncertainty, not on one's superiority, because that is an utopian comparison by default. When one of them beats other, it automatically makes other look not very good (not at 100%). In theory they can both prepared at 100%, but one will inevitably be better which is doomed to entail talks about not perfect preparedness of the other one

IMO Froome never showed his 100% effort in a GT, but given how he tried to attack in the vuelta while being in not a good shape and how he doesn't try to trick and likes to attack straight from the 1st position like today... I suspet there is a LOT of interesting stuff in his attacking arsenal

Nope as said I base my opinion on 20+ year experience following the sport and on observations made. Could I wrong. Certainly. But rather an opinion based on selfproclaimed experience than on dislike for a certain rider.

Still, I you are right that the 100% comparison can likely be nothing more than a theoretical discussion as you are totallly right that the losing part will draw the "I wasnt 100%" card.

 

[willbick]

This is getting totally out of hand, every single headline I've read about today's stage has made it sound as if Froome put 2 minutes into Contador and the rest of the field...

Winning a MTF by 4 seconds is not a "crushing blow" or "devastating victory" or whatever they are writing. "Froome could not drop Contador" or "Froome outsprints Contador" would be more suiting headlines.

In the post EPO (except for certain idiotic italians) era, this is as close as it comes to a crushing win. You're not going to get the best climber beating the other top climbers by minutes anymore. So many people in this forum seem to still be living in the old days. Maybe they preferred the old days.

 

[The Hitch]

like netserk says the wind changed completely, but Contador was pretty bad though.

So now hitch loses hope, it's true that i remember the days when i thought contador could take Armstrong's record

Or the triple even

Hitch can be such a d!ck, don't bring that up man

hope? There was never much hope. Only a fool's hope.

 

[maltiv]

In the post EPO (except for certain idiotic italians) era, this is as close as it comes to a crushing win. You're not going to get the best climber beating the other top climbers by minutes anymore. So many people in this forum seem to still be living in the old days. Maybe they preferred the old days.

So what did Froome do in CI then? Or in Romandie? Where he put more than 45 seconds into all his rivals?

Always the same from Sky fans. When they win by a small gap, it's because the peloton is clean now. If they win by a huge gap, then utter silence (or in defence: saying that it's due to "lack of competition").

 

[burning]

In the post EPO (except for certain idiotic italians) era, this is as close as it comes to a crushing win. You're not going to get the best climber beating the other top climbers by minutes anymore. So many people in this forum seem to still be living in the old days. Maybe they preferred the old days.

I really hate the logic of agressive racing=doping brought by sky and their fans

 

[LaFlorecita]

So what did Froome do in CI then? Or in Romandie? Where he put more than 45 seconds into all his rivals?

Always the same from Sky fans. When they win by a small gap, it's because the peloton is clean now. If they win by a huge gap, then utter silence (or in defence: saying that it's due to "lack of competition").

I really hate the logic of agressive racing=doping brought by sky and their fans

Yea pretty ridiculous

 

[Eshnar]

In the post EPO (except for certain idiotic italians) era, this is as close as it comes to a crushing win. You're not going to get the best climber beating the other top climbers by minutes anymore. So many people in this forum seem to still be living in the old days. Maybe they preferred the old days.

who talked about minutes. A "crushing win" can just be 30-40 seconds. Certainly not 4.
EDIT: Oh, and don't fool yourself, the majority here do prefer the old days.

 

[willbick]

In CI mtf froome beat a probably out of shape van garderen by less than 1 minute, peraud by 1 min, fedrigo by 1.37. These are not exactly exceptional stats.

 

[The Hitch]

I heard this same crap in the first week of the Vuelta last year,"Froome is going to own Contador", yeah well,we seen how that worked out,

Who said that?

It was obviously before the vuelta that froome would struggle cos he had just done the tour and it wasn't even a major season aim for him. Here on the other hand froome has based his entire season around the tour.

 

[airstream]

Sorry my poor language, but I don't see Sky fans in the thread. Who are they? I see only dissapointed Conta fans and guys who perforce have to admit that Froome is better now.

 

[Eshnar]

Sorry my poor language, but I don't see Sky fans in the thread. Who are they? I see only dissapointed Conta fans and guys who perforce have to admit that Froome is better now.

How can you see the AC fans and not notice the Sky fans?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

In CI mtf froome beat a probably out of shape van garderen by less than 1 minute, peraud by 1 min, fedrigo by 1.37. These are not exactly exceptional stats.

But beating the great Taaramae and J-Rod's support rider, Moreno by 12s today was a crushing demonstration?

 

[willbick]

So what did Froome do in CI then? Or in Romandie? Where he put more than 45 seconds into all his rivals?

Always the same from Sky fans. When they win by a small gap, it's because the peloton is clean now. If they win by a huge gap, then utter silence (or in defence: saying that it's due to "lack of competition").

And in romandie froome (and spilak) beat the climber group by a minute. Please tell me where these 'huge gaps' have been

 

[LaFlorecita]

who talked about minutes. A "crushing win" can just be 30-40 seconds. Certainly not 4.
EDIT: Oh, and don't fool yourself, the majority here do prefer the old days.

yup

How can you see the AC fans and not notice the Sky fans?

really pretty strange

 

[willbick]

But beating the great Taaramae and J-Rod's support rider, Moreno by 12s today was a crushing demonstration?

Yes. He won comfortably. And he will win le tour comfortably barring crash or illness