2013 Giro D'Italia, Stage 4: Policastro Bussentino - Serra San Bruno

[cineteq]

Robert Gesink‏@RGUpdate
Again a long and hard day done in the #Giro. Finished on a flat tire, so lots of grip on the finishing 'pave'! Now a long transfer!

Gesink is gonne destroy !

Nice to hear, he seems in great shape.

Crash did happen within 3km, because some riders involved in it were given the same time. Race judges decided that Wiggins wasn't held up by the crash so there are a couple possibilities:

1) Wiggins was held up by the crash and the Judges made the wrong decision not to award him same time
2) Wiggins pretended to be held up by the crash and the Judges correctly awarded him his real time

As we can see, many people here have already made their decision on which it is depending on whether they are a Wiggofan or Wiggohater

3) Wiggins is hiding he's sick or not being fit enough.

 

[burning]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZdyIZhJxTAg#t=2183s

He did it already once and got away with no consequences, I'm pretty sure that he won't hesitate to try again

 

[airstream]

Wiggins lost time deservedly. What question can turn up on this occasion?

 

[will10]

Crash did happen within 3km, because some riders involved in it were given the same time. Race judges decided that Wiggins wasn't held up by the crash so there are a couple possibilities:

1) Wiggins was held up by the crash and the Judges made the wrong decision not to award him same time
2) Wiggins pretended to be held up by the crash and the Judges correctly awarded him his real time

As we can see, many people here have already made their decision on which it is depending on whether they are a Wiggofan or Wiggohater

Bradley has previous trying to pull this stunt from the first week of last year's Tour. It is hardly surprising to see people concluding he is trying it on again, only this time has not got away with it.

 

[maxmartin]

He's definitely not weak, he just thought he could get away with sitting at the back, and he didn't

Of course the best tactic would have been to go all out in the sprint and then warm down on the rollers, that's 20" bonus and at least 2 minutes of marginal gains in the legs for week 3

If it is way back the peloton, it definitely showed weakness. Since when you saw W siting at the back of peloton while riding for GC? It never happened in the last year Tour or 2011 Vuelta.

 

[theyoungest]

Robert Gesink‏@RGUpdate10m
Again a long and hard day done in the #Giro. Finished on a flat tire, so lots of grip on the finishing 'pave'! Now a long transfer!

Gesink is gonne destroy !

Yesterday he sort of avoided a crash, today he loses no time despite a flat tire... could it be... no it can't.

3) Wiggins is hiding he's sick or not being fit enough.

That would be good for the race, since we have the long TT coming up. But I don't believe it.

 

[Red Rick]

If it is way back the peloton, it definitely showed weakness. Since when you saw W siting at the back of peloton while riding for GC? It never happened in the last year Tour or 2011 Vuelta.

2010 Tour, but that was only before he made it to the grupetto

 

[bassplayer88]

Wiggo did look like he had bags under his eyes when he was on the back of the train during the mid to end part of the climb.

He looked like I did this morning (bank holiday weekend!)

Re; Wiggo's time I hope we get to see some footage or at least a statement from the judge at some point. Be good to get it fully cleared up either way.

I'm a wiggo fan of sorts but have to admit he has done some questionable coasting in the last 3km of stages before. He should have been leading Uran out. Maybe the flu is spreading (for wiggo fans) (for wiggo haters

I hope he did actually get caught behind the crash cos for him to continually do this b**s*** would definitely be a very unattractive and unsporting.

Boring is one thing, bad sports man is awful.

Fingers crossed

 

[Morbius]

In the Vuelta 2011 he sat at the back of some sprint stages, figuring that a few seconds lost was better than risking the fall. I can see him doing the same on a wet descent / run-in on cobbles

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

In the Vuelta 2011 he sat at the back of some sprint stages, figuring that a few seconds lost was better than risking the fall. I can see him doing the same on a wet descent / run-in on cobbles

wiggins has done in the past alreayd to fake flat tires in final 3 km to get the same time. he's a horrible pro that should be punished in every possible way and today is good

 

[maxmartin]

wiggins has done in the past alreayd to fake flat tires in final 3 km to get the same time. he's a horrible pro that should be punished in every possible way and today is good

that is horrible, but do you have any proof?

 

[movingtarget]

In the Vuelta 2011 he sat at the back of some sprint stages, figuring that a few seconds lost was better than risking the fall. I can see him doing the same on a wet descent / run-in on cobbles

The wet road may have spooked him with the other riders looking for the stage win, the finish was a bit chaotic. Maybe decided to back off a bit and he just happened to have the fall happen near him. Who knows. He looked comfortable enough on the climb.

 

[Morbius]

No - I meant that in the early sprint stages in Vuelta 11 he sat at the back of the bunch to keep out of trouble rather than risk being at the front. He took a chance that there would be split ahead of him (IIRC there was a small split on one stage). At the time it seemed that he was concerned about risking his collar bone in a bunch sprint.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Crash did happen within 3km, because some riders involved in it were given the same time. Race judges decided that Wiggins wasn't held up by the crash so there are a couple possibilities:

1) Wiggins was held up by the crash and the Judges made the wrong decision not to award him same time
2) Wiggins pretended to be held up by the crash and the Judges correctly awarded him his real time

As we can see, many people here have already made their decision on which it is depending on whether they are a Wiggofan or Wiggohater

Although I am more in the Wiggohater group, for reasons that I won't go into here, you left off number 3) judges are Nibali fans.

 

[RHRH19861986]

What now about Wiggins? Will he get the 17s corrected/back?

 

[maxmartin]

Although I am more in the Wiggohater group, for reasons that I won't go into here, you left off number 3) judges are Nibali fans.

It is Nibali's home turf and Judge must be Italian.

 

[maxmartin]

What now about Wiggins? Will he get the 17s corrected/back?

he will get minutes back in ITT

 

[the sceptic]

It is Nibali's home turf and Judge must be Italian.

No doubt. I bet they will let Nibali draft behind a mc in the ITT.

 

[maxmartin]

No doubt. I bet they will let Nibali draft behind a mc in the ITT.

I would love that

 

[search]

Why the **** would the 3km rule even apply, it's an uphill finish. Stefan Schumacher lost his jersey on super besse didn't he

"In the case of a noted fall, puncture or mechanical incident beyond the road signs mentioning the finish within three kilometres, the rider(s) involved shall be credited with the time of the group in whose company he was (they were) when the accident occurred, in compliance with Article 2.6.027 of the UCI Regulation.

The rule does not apply to time trial stages (2nd,8th and 18th) and to stages featuring a finish on top of a hill climb (10th, 11th, 14th, 15th, 19th, and 20th). For all that is not regulated under this ruling, the irrevocable decision taken by the Commissaires’ Panel in consultation with the Organizing Society Management shall apply"

Crash did happen within 3km, because some riders involved in it were given the same time.

who? It's not mentioned in the result so far

 

[webvan]

Thanks for looking up the rules. Obviously this was NOT an uphill finish, some people...

It's not rocket science, either there was a crash in front of him and it slowed him down or it didn't. The fact that he (or any other GC rider) lost 17 seconds in a bit more than a km would seem to indicate that it did slow him down.

 

[maxmartin]

What now about Wiggins? Will he get the 17s corrected/back?

"Wiggins crossed the line in 48th position and the jury ruled that he had not been hampered by the crash of Cristiano Salerno (Cannondale) in the finale. Hesjedal, Nibali, and Cadel Evans (BMC Racing) each finished in the front group."

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/05/news/battaglin-wins-stage-4-of-2013-giro-ditalia_285475

 

[hrotha]

Thanks for looking up the rules. Obviously this was NOT an uphill finish, some people...

It's not rocket science, either there was a crash in front of him and it slowed him down or it didn't. The fact that he (or any other GC rider) lost 17 seconds in a bit more than a km would seem to indicate that it did slow him down.

Uh, no. Those 17" would start counting from Battaglin. He lost a lot less to whoever was closing the front group.

 

[Eshnar]

Thanks for looking up the rules. Obviously this was NOT an uphill finish, some people...

It's not rocket science, either there was a crash in front of him and it slowed him down or it didn't. The fact that he (or any other GC rider) lost 17 seconds in a bit more than a km would seem to indicate that it did slow him down.

he didn't lose 17 seconds... when a 40+ rider group splits, even a gap of 4 bikelenghts can result in 17''
edit: hrotha beat me.

 

[Jaunty Monty]

It's not rocket science, either there was a crash in front of him and it slowed him down or it didn't. The fact that he (or any other GC rider) lost 17 seconds in a bit more than a km would seem to indicate that it did slow him down.

He was 17 seconds behind the stage winner not the rider immediately in front of him. Maybe he got hampered by the crash or maybe he lost the wheel in front of him.