Escarabajo said:Is this the Road Racing forum or the Clinic??
Asturiano said:Watching Angliru stage:
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EnacheV said:Imagine without the TT, Horner >>>>> Nibali in mountains, every and each day
The best guy won, gz
Also, Valverde, Purito and a few others would beat Nibali also, any time of the year, at same level of rest.
webvan said:Well I hate to kick a man when he's down, but yes, this Vuelta does put back Nibali's crushing of the Giro into perspective (can't keep up with a rested 42 year old and barely edges out two guys who gave it all they had in the TDF, see where Froome was last year)...as I posted before I don't think Nibali has really improved since the 2012 TDF, possibly a bit in ITTs. An exciting racer but not a GT winner when decent competition is around.
Proves to me that in Spain, the economy has gone so far down the toilet that no one can afford basic cable anymoreRed Rick said:Proves to me that the Vuelta is quite a big thing![]()
ferryman said:Let me try and get my head round your logic. He won the Giro because there wasn't decent competition but couldn't with this Vuelta against shot riders and a 42 year old. Aye.
Moviefan1203 said:Another great ride by Chris Horner. He was the best man of the race over the course of three weeks, and he's a very worthy winner. What a great day to be an American!!!! USA! USA! USA! It's so nice to finally see an American win the Vuelta a Espana.
Asturiano said:Watching Angliru stage:
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trevim said:I'm curious to see how Cardoso will do. He's like 50kg so he should adapt well![]()
webvan said:Well I hate to kick a man when he's down, but yes, this Vuelta does put back Nibali's crushing of the Giro into perspective (can't keep up with a rested 42 year old and barely edges out two guys who gave it all they had in the TDF, see where Froome was last year)...as I posted before I don't think Nibali has really improved since the 2012 TDF, possibly a bit in ITTs. An exciting racer but not a GT winner when decent competition is around.
Well said.I enjoined reading your comments. I'll buy you a drink any day. What a Tour it was! Congrats to Horner and props to Nibs for the battle. Oh... now onto the Worlds. EBH will being wearing the stripes when the day is done .Broth3r said:Just got home and watched the stage on my TiVo (well, Zon Box) after spending the day away and desperately trying - and succeeding - to avoid all possible spoilers (and also learning whiskey isn't for me. Is 12 year Ballentine's a good benchmark?). Just read through the thread and I couldn't help quoting this.
What a stage.
First of all, massive chapeau for the Portuguese riders. A reminder to everyone else: Cardoso and Mendes are the only two in the Vuelta. But what A ride. I expected (well, hoped) Cardoso to do well - see that lonely vote for him in the poll? - , but Mendes was a moderate surprise. Even then, both in the top ten in the Angliru? If anything, Elissonde's win proves a victory would have been possible. But at this point, I can't say anything other than I'm proud of them.
Massive chapeau to Elissonde as well. Yeterday, I said I thought we'd never see the day a break succeeded at the Angliru (can't really count Simoni). I'm glad to have been proven wrong. Granted, it was the perfect break: strength in numbers, climbing quality, and a decent gap at the foot. But would anyone have predicted Elissonde out of that bunch? My French doppelganger, maybe, but not many more. And at 22 he nails something most riders can't even dream of, capping off a spectacular Vuelta for France's youth. Brilliant.
And obviously, chapeau to Horner. How could I not after that ride. Certainly not spectacular - and I love a good show - , but you could hardly ask for more than that. Congrats on the ride, and congrats on the Vuelta. I'm not a particular fan of him, but I'm glad to see him win. Let me get one thing out of the way - and I know this will earn me the Clinic's eternal hate, but so be it - : I hate "normal". Every time I nail a great result with my fantasy teams, I feel... rather empty. Everything went as expected. Nothing out of the ordinary. And that's utterly, appealingly... sad. So I love a good surprise. And it goes beyond the underdog factor - hell, who doesn't suffer from that. As someone rightly says in their sig, cycling is only fun because the line between the improbable and the unattainable isn't clear - sorry if I didn't memorize your name. Andy in the '07 Giro. Horner and Elissonde today. Not breaking the standards - because it wouldn't be fun without them - but showing they're a median line, not a cage.
I don't put my hands in the fire for anyone. Not these days. But cycling wouldn't be the same for me without what you some call abnormal - in expected performance of course, not in any other factors.
But the chapeaust of all chapeaus today goes to Nibali. That was absolutely fantastic and took massive guts to pull off. You do not attack on the Angliru - that's what all vets say. But he had to, and he did. He fought to the bitter end and deserves nothing but the highest appraisal for it, and he would have been more than a rightful winner as well. I already liked him before. Consider me a fan now.
And... chapeau to the fog, I guess?
What. A. Stage.
Broth3r said:Just got home and watched the stage on my TiVo (well, Zon Box) after spending the day away and desperately trying - and succeeding - to avoid all possible spoilers (and also learning whiskey isn't for me. Is 12 year Ballentine's a good benchmark?). Just read through the thread and I couldn't help quoting this.
What a stage.
First of all, massive chapeau for the Portuguese riders. A reminder to everyone else: Cardoso and Mendes are the only two in the Vuelta. But what A ride. I expected (well, hoped) Cardoso to do well - see that lonely vote for him in the poll? - , but Mendes was a moderate surprise. Even then, both in the top ten in the Angliru? If anything, Elissonde's win proves a victory would have been possible. But at this point, I can't say anything other than I'm proud of them.
Massive chapeau to Elissonde as well. Yeterday, I said I thought we'd never see the day a break succeeded at the Angliru (can't really count Simoni). I'm glad to have been proven wrong. Granted, it was the perfect break: strength in numbers, climbing quality, and a decent gap at the foot. But would anyone have predicted Elissonde out of that bunch? My French doppelganger, maybe, but not many more. And at 22 he nails something most riders can't even dream of, capping off a spectacular Vuelta for France's youth. Brilliant.
And obviously, chapeau to Horner. How could I not after that ride. Certainly not spectacular - and I love a good show - , but you could hardly ask for more than that. Congrats on the ride, and congrats on the Vuelta. I'm not a particular fan of him, but I'm glad to see him win. Let me get one thing out of the way - and I know this will earn me the Clinic's eternal hate, but so be it - : I hate "normal". Every time I nail a great result with my fantasy teams, I feel... rather empty. Everything went as expected. Nothing out of the ordinary. And that's utterly, appealingly... sad. So I love a good surprise. And it goes beyond the underdog factor - hell, who doesn't suffer from that. As someone rightly says in their sig, cycling is only fun because the line between the improbable and the unattainable isn't clear - sorry if I didn't memorize your name. Andy in the '07 Giro. Horner and Elissonde today. Not breaking the standards - because it wouldn't be fun without them - but showing they're a median line, not a cage.
I don't put my hands in the fire for anyone. Not these days. But cycling wouldn't be the same for me without what you some call abnormal - in expected performance of course, not in any other factors.
But the chapeaust of all chapeaus today goes to Nibali. That was absolutely fantastic and took massive guts to pull off. You do not attack on the Angliru - that's what all vets say. But he had to, and he did. He fought to the bitter end and deserves nothing but the highest appraisal for it, and he would have been more than a rightful winner as well. I already liked him before. Consider me a fan now.
And... chapeau to the fog, I guess?
What. A. Stage.
webvan said:Not sure where you got lost there...let me try to help, the competition was a lot weaker at the Giro, just look at the top 10 if you didn't follow the race.
alexcta said:Vuelta 2015 or Vuelta 2016 - Angliru - Mountain Time Trial
alexcta said:Vuelta 2015 or Vuelta 2016 - Angliru - Mountain Time Trial
Cance > TheRest said:one of the best duels in cycling in the recent years. Can't recall seeing something like this since Schleck-Contador.
Carols said:I am American and Do Not share your joy...........being American has nothing to do with it.