Im not worried for Landa, its probably because of the rest day of yesterday that he wasn't feeling too good during the stage. I won't be surprised if he go " beast mode" during the 3rd week. =.=
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Zakarin didn't waste too much energy and the margin was still worth it with the bonus.
DFA123 said:
Zakarin didn't waste too much energy and the margin was still worth it with the bonus.
Pinot: "our team worked a lot but it seems nobody really wanted to win today"
Visconti: "pulling for one km now means working a lot?"
Visconti: "pulling for one km now means working a lot?"
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Can't wait to see pinot dropping like a stone on blockhausSafeBet said:Pinot: "our team worked a lot but it seems nobody really wanted to win today"
Visconti: "pulling for one km now means working a lot?"
Cannondale must be the most tactically naive team in the WT - Surely you make sure you have 2 riders in the break in each mountain stage, considering you have a team of climbers with only one riding for GC.
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Well yeah, but I wouldn't call that attacking hard and early. He managed to kind of sneak away during a drop in pace 1.5km from the line. Not really much time to waste energy. He also has the advantage that he's not Nibali or Quintana, so about 10 riders won't immediately jump on his wheel every time he tries to do anything.movingtarget said:
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Perhaps there was enough signs and the riders just misjudged it anyway, but Polanc nearly going off as well suggests a bit more warning could have been needed.
Yeah, but why did they take the corner too quickly? Perhaps there wasn't good enough signage beforehand. It was a pretty sharp corner being approached at 50km/h+, so probably needed a bit more warning than the usual pink arrow.yaco said:
Perhaps there was enough signs and the riders just misjudged it anyway, but Polanc nearly going off as well suggests a bit more warning could have been needed.
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Well for one, I said he will normally lose time on early mountains. He's a 3rd week rider, not 1st one. He has been WAY worse in 1st mt stage tests.
But 2, and that is why I agree he won't do as well as last year, he fell in Yorkshire and he fell again today. So this year nothing is ideal. And he really needs ideal circumstances. Vuelta last year proved that, he was sick somewhere in the preparation there and as a result sucked in the Vuelta and never really got better.
However, I think it's too early to say he will be bad per se (like in, not top 10). What you have to keep in mind with Kruijswijk is that there is a certain pattern. In the 1st week he has real trouble when it gets hard, in the 2nd week he rises to the top and in the 3rd week he is at his best. That's because his level between 1st and 3rd week hardly drops.
But his 1st week level is not good enough to do much. Which is incidentally the same reason he never does something in 1 week races.
It's really strange I still need to explain this every year. Thought people knew by now. Kruijswijk is a diesel..
Arredondo said:Dekker_Tifosi said:
I know, but he was just hanging in there. Would have been dropped if some GC guys had the balls to attack hard in those last 3 km.
I just feel he will disappoint this Giro. But let's see first
Well for one, I said he will normally lose time on early mountains. He's a 3rd week rider, not 1st one. He has been WAY worse in 1st mt stage tests.
But 2, and that is why I agree he won't do as well as last year, he fell in Yorkshire and he fell again today. So this year nothing is ideal. And he really needs ideal circumstances. Vuelta last year proved that, he was sick somewhere in the preparation there and as a result sucked in the Vuelta and never really got better.
However, I think it's too early to say he will be bad per se (like in, not top 10). What you have to keep in mind with Kruijswijk is that there is a certain pattern. In the 1st week he has real trouble when it gets hard, in the 2nd week he rises to the top and in the 3rd week he is at his best. That's because his level between 1st and 3rd week hardly drops.
But his 1st week level is not good enough to do much. Which is incidentally the same reason he never does something in 1 week races.
It's really strange I still need to explain this every year. Thought people knew by now. Kruijswijk is a diesel..
I'm not convinced Quintana got gt winning shape anymore. If so he easily could've gained some seconds like Pantani on Gran Sasso d'Italia! Looks like we've about 5-10 equal guys that could potentially win the Giro on paper.
Kruijswijk is the big winner today actually. He lost zero time since nobody made a move while he's the only contender that certainly gains significant time in the tt against Quintana, without losing a bunch in the mountains afterwards. That was a missed chance for the others to kill him off. If Kruijswijk stays alive after Blockhaus, he might find himself in a quite similar situation to last year's race after the tt.
If Quintana really ain't got his prime shape and since Pinot fails anyway somewhere along the way ... Steven is nicely flying under the radar once again 1 year later.
Kruijswijk is the big winner today actually. He lost zero time since nobody made a move while he's the only contender that certainly gains significant time in the tt against Quintana, without losing a bunch in the mountains afterwards. That was a missed chance for the others to kill him off. If Kruijswijk stays alive after Blockhaus, he might find himself in a quite similar situation to last year's race after the tt.
If Quintana really ain't got his prime shape and since Pinot fails anyway somewhere along the way ... Steven is nicely flying under the radar once again 1 year later.
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Same thoughts. People around here predicted he'll loose one minute but they never learn.
Alpe d'Huez said:
Same thoughts. People around here predicted he'll loose one minute but they never learn.
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It looked like it wasn't very obvious which way they should go to me. The road should have had a barrier across it. Maybe they decided not to as it was a fast corner and they were worried about riders hitting it, but from what I saw it did look confusing and all it takes is one rider to go the wrong way.
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It looked like it wasn't very obvious which way they should go to me. The road should have had a barrier across it. Maybe they decided not to as it was a fast corner and they were worried about riders hitting it, but from what I saw it did look confusing and all it takes is one rider to go the wrong way.
all the GC contenders exactly at 10 secs from the Maglia Rosa.......
Dumoulin is the one benefiting the most of this type of racing before he smashes everyone in the ITT
Dumoulin is the one benefiting the most of this type of racing before he smashes everyone in the ITT
Yeah I really don't know why they didn't utilize a mountain as tough as the Etna.
Must have been the wind else I can only say it's stupidity
Must have been the wind else I can only say it's stupidity
Nice move for Zakarin in the final bit to gain time and put himself within a few seconds of the other contenders and looks like 14 off of Jungels who leads the overall. I don't know what it is with him and all these mechanicals and crashes, but he can't afford too many misfortunes if he wants to get on the podium. His team also doesn't seem to be that strong, which could hurt him later on, but we'll see. He seems to be in solid shape.
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Nairo is going for the long game & the Tour if you need a reminder of it - So I can assure you Quintana on 90% of his racing shape will drop the ever loving soul out of everyone in the last two MTF stages- mark my words
staubsauger said:
Nairo is going for the long game & the Tour if you need a reminder of it
- So I can assure you Quintana on 90% of his racing shape will drop the ever loving soul out of everyone in the last two MTF stages- mark my words Re: Re:
I totally agree, last year he was sprinting with Dumoulin to gain like 2 seconds and he was way more alert. Now he was just hanging on. Still looking forward what he will try later in the race.
Dekker_Tifosi said:Arredondo said:Dekker_Tifosi said:
I know, but he was just hanging in there. Would have been dropped if some GC guys had the balls to attack hard in those last 3 km.
I just feel he will disappoint this Giro. But let's see first
Well for one, I said he will normally lose time on early mountains. He's a 3rd week rider, not 1st one. He has been WAY worse in 1st mt stage tests.
But 2, and that is why I agree he won't do as well as last year, he fell in Yorkshire and he fell again today. So this year nothing is ideal. And he really needs ideal circumstances. Vuelta last year proved that, he was sick somewhere in the preparation there and as a result sucked in the Vuelta and never really got better.
However, I think it's too early to say he will be bad per se (like in, not top 10). What you have to keep in mind with Kruijswijk is that there is a certain pattern. In the 1st week he has real trouble when it gets hard, in the 2nd week he rises to the top and in the 3rd week he is at his best. That's because his level between 1st and 3rd week hardly drops.
But his 1st week level is not good enough to do much. Which is incidentally the same reason he never does something in 1 week races.
It's really strange I still need to explain this every year. Thought people knew by now. Kruijswijk is a diesel..
I totally agree, last year he was sprinting with Dumoulin to gain like 2 seconds and he was way more alert. Now he was just hanging on. Still looking forward what he will try later in the race.
Bit early in the race to be saying riders failed on one stage. The stage decided nothing. It didn't even indicate who is climbing best because it's much too early. The only real winner of the GT riders was Zakarin for a small gain. The headwind convinced them to save their energy for another day and a better opportunity to build a time gap.
What a crap stage. The surprising thing to me is not a single rider you'd put in the top 10-15 lost even a second. I'd have thought someone would show some weakness.
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Quintana announced he's going "easy" in the first week, building form. I expect much higher level at the Blockhaus and the TT, and absolute peak at Stelvio and Dolomites stage.
So Kruiswijk is the only GC contender that certainly gains time on Quintana in the TT? Really? Since when he's such a good TT-ist? What about Nibali, Pinot, Zakarin?! And I'm not sure he'll gain any time on Quintana!
staubsauger said:
Quintana announced he's going "easy" in the first week, building form. I expect much higher level at the Blockhaus and the TT, and absolute peak at Stelvio and Dolomites stage.
So Kruiswijk is the only GC contender that certainly gains time on Quintana in the TT? Really? Since when he's such a good TT-ist? What about Nibali, Pinot, Zakarin?! And I'm not sure he'll gain any time on Quintana!
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And putting riders in the early breaks actually increases your chances in the team classification.
Villella tried to bridge across with Jaregui at the beginning of the stage but they were absorbed back into the bunch. Not always easy for climbers to get into the break if the beginning of the stage is totally flat.SafeBet said:
And putting riders in the early breaks actually increases your chances in the team classification.
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If Quintana follows the Pantani pattern for the double, riding himself into shape during the start of the gt's, it might become interesting. The Contador plan clearly failed dramatically 2x.
I said Kruiswijk is the only one to do so without losing a bunch of it in the mountains again. Unless Pinot gets his act together or Nibali turns back the clock 3 years.Mr.White said:
If Quintana follows the Pantani pattern for the double, riding himself into shape during the start of the gt's, it might become interesting. The Contador plan clearly failed dramatically 2x.
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