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Some people are so far behind in a race, they actually believe they are winning.
lol.ILovecycling said:
Some people are so far behind in a race, they actually believe they are winning.
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...but I really dont know
Uhmm, thats a very good point.I really dont know, might be the danger from Tour falls or somethingThe Hitch said:LaFlorecita said:"Decisive"?SeriousSam said:
The double would mean 1000x more for his legacy than "just" another Tour win.
Every time this argument keeps coming up, I keep thinking. If the double is so much more important than another Tour. Why didn't Contador go for the double in 2014 or 2013? In fact even in 2012 he said wasn't going to do the giro if he wasn't banned.
...but I really dont know
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The obvious answer is that he is now thinking about retirement, and is wondering what he really wants to have done before he says goodbye, and that's the double/tripleThe Hitch said:LaFlorecita said:"Decisive"?SeriousSam said:
The double would mean 1000x more for his legacy than "just" another Tour win.
Every time this argument keeps coming up, I keep thinking. If the double is so much more important than another Tour. Why didn't Contador go for the double in 2014 or 2013? In fact even in 2012 he said wasn't going to do the giro if he wasn't banned.
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I agree with ILoveCycling, Alberto could win a WC but his chances are very small, he needs a better sprint, then he would have a decent chance on hilly courses like WC 2012-2013-2014
The Hitch said:
I agree with ILoveCycling, Alberto could win a WC but his chances are very small, he needs a better sprint, then he would have a decent chance on hilly courses like WC 2012-2013-2014
The good news is he has done well for 200+km.....we shall see how he does in the finale when they speed up!
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At the rate they are moving I may not be here for the end I have to leave in 1 hour 15 min.
They just showed him, looks okay
ILovecycling said:yep, fingers crossedCarols said:
At the rate they are moving I may not be here for the end
I have to leave in 1 hour 15 min. They just showed him, looks okay
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I think he looked a bit less relaxed than usual (its no wonder thoCarols said:ILovecycling said:yep, fingers crossedCarols said:
At the rate they are moving I may not be here for the end
They just showed him, looks okay
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That is why I said okay instead of good.....
ILovecycling said:I think he looked a bit less relaxed than usual (its no wonder thoCarols said:ILovecycling said:yep, fingers crossedCarols said:
At the rate they are moving I may not be here for the end
They just showed him, looks okay
That is why I said okay instead of good.....
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It's his decision to make. His career. Our opinion of what is and isn't important really has no bearing on how someone else manages their livlihood. In the tradition of the Spanish greats before him, world road championships and classics just were not seen as being more important than the grand tours. It wasn't until Olano to lesser extent, Mayo, Etxabarria, Freire, Flecha, Valverde and Purito came along that riders of his country began placing an importance on these races. Really it's pretty obvious what he believes his legacy as a rider is built upon, and it's the grand tours.
The Hitch said:
It's his decision to make. His career. Our opinion of what is and isn't important really has no bearing on how someone else manages their livlihood. In the tradition of the Spanish greats before him, world road championships and classics just were not seen as being more important than the grand tours. It wasn't until Olano to lesser extent, Mayo, Etxabarria, Freire, Flecha, Valverde and Purito came along that riders of his country began placing an importance on these races. Really it's pretty obvious what he believes his legacy as a rider is built upon, and it's the grand tours.
Contador doesn't have the physical profile required to win the WC. Unless it ends in Alpe d'Huez.
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Also ...Hello, I havent seen you for a while here
I dont think it has to be such a mountain, but it has to be that big to eliminate Murito and Piti advantage of punch.lenric said:
Also ...Hello, I havent seen you for a while here
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Races on challenging parcours go to sprints when the riders are more or less even. or if they are raced conservatively.
If someone races it hard it becomes a hard race. Liege Bastogne Liege is these days a glorified sprint. Yet in another year, on the same parcors, Andy Schleck won it, solo, by attacking 30k out.
The olympic road race in 2012 was supposed to be a sprint with Cav as the favourite. In a dry run the year before it had been a bunch sprint. Who contested the win? 2 gt riders. Why? Because it was made hard.
if Verbier Contador turns up to the Firenze worlds and attacks a few times on Fiesole, he crosses the line before the rest of the peloton have even finished climbing.
Its not even like there aren't examples of Contador doing this. When he attacked on Col de Manse on what is hardly the worlds hardest climb, he in a minute reduced the entire peloton to a field of 3 and took a minute on all but 2 of his rivals (was going to attack again). Fuente de was an even easier parcors and he won that and destroyed Murito and Froome.
Just look at Wednsday and the way he reduced a field of 20 to a field of 4 with 1 attack.
Contador goes on form to the worlds with a very strong Spanish team, attacks at points in the race,there is no sprint at the end I guarantee you that. What you get instead is a crawl mighty fight between the strongest riders and no one else.
Who is going to win that. The strongest riders. And peak Contador is stronger than anyone else. He came top 10 in Lombardia once and top 10 in Liege and both times he wasn't his strongest. Not built for 1 day races? please. Murito and Andy Schleck are far less well built and talented for them and both have won monuments.
What happens if a peak Contador tries 1 day races? I see nothing but good things.
LaFlorecita said:The Hitch said:
Races on challenging parcours go to sprints when the riders are more or less even. or if they are raced conservatively.
If someone races it hard it becomes a hard race. Liege Bastogne Liege is these days a glorified sprint. Yet in another year, on the same parcors, Andy Schleck won it, solo, by attacking 30k out.
The olympic road race in 2012 was supposed to be a sprint with Cav as the favourite. In a dry run the year before it had been a bunch sprint. Who contested the win? 2 gt riders. Why? Because it was made hard.
if Verbier Contador turns up to the Firenze worlds and attacks a few times on Fiesole, he crosses the line before the rest of the peloton have even finished climbing.
Its not even like there aren't examples of Contador doing this. When he attacked on Col de Manse on what is hardly the worlds hardest climb, he in a minute reduced the entire peloton to a field of 3 and took a minute on all but 2 of his rivals (was going to attack again). Fuente de was an even easier parcors and he won that and destroyed Murito and Froome.
Just look at Wednsday and the way he reduced a field of 20 to a field of 4 with 1 attack.
Contador goes on form to the worlds with a very strong Spanish team, attacks at points in the race,there is no sprint at the end I guarantee you that. What you get instead is a crawl mighty fight between the strongest riders and no one else.
Who is going to win that. The strongest riders. And peak Contador is stronger than anyone else. He came top 10 in Lombardia once and top 10 in Liege and both times he wasn't his strongest. Not built for 1 day races? please. Murito and Andy Schleck are far less well built and talented for them and both have won monuments.
What happens if a peak Contador tries 1 day races? I see nothing but good things.
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I agree with you he would have a chance if its raced super-hard, but I cant see that coming, firstly because it didnt happen few years now (Firenze was hard with parcourse not pace), secondly cuz of Valverde in spanish team, he is their best chance FTW (lol ) and he doesnt need hard race.
Good post,but you forgot the most important feature.All of your examples happened in a GT 2nd and 3rd weeks, this doesnt have almost anything in common with a race like WC.The Hitch said:LaFlorecita said:The Hitch said:
Races on challenging parcours go to sprints when the riders are more or less even. or if they are raced conservatively.
If someone races it hard it becomes a hard race. Liege Bastogne Liege is these days a glorified sprint. Yet in another year, on the same parcors, Andy Schleck won it, solo, by attacking 30k out.
The olympic road race in 2012 was supposed to be a sprint with Cav as the favourite. In a dry run the year before it had been a bunch sprint. Who contested the win? 2 gt riders. Why? Because it was made hard.
if Verbier Contador turns up to the Firenze worlds and attacks a few times on Fiesole, he crosses the line before the rest of the peloton have even finished climbing.
Its not even like there aren't examples of Contador doing this. When he attacked on Col de Manse on what is hardly the worlds hardest climb, he in a minute reduced the entire peloton to a field of 3 and took a minute on all but 2 of his rivals (was going to attack again). Fuente de was an even easier parcors and he won that and destroyed Murito and Froome.
Just look at Wednsday and the way he reduced a field of 20 to a field of 4 with 1 attack.
Contador goes on form to the worlds with a very strong Spanish team, attacks at points in the race,there is no sprint at the end I guarantee you that. What you get instead is a crawl mighty fight between the strongest riders and no one else.
Who is going to win that. The strongest riders. And peak Contador is stronger than anyone else. He came top 10 in Lombardia once and top 10 in Liege and both times he wasn't his strongest. Not built for 1 day races? please. Murito and Andy Schleck are far less well built and talented for them and both have won monuments.
What happens if a peak Contador tries 1 day races? I see nothing but good things.
I agree with you he would have a chance if its raced super-hard, but I cant see that coming, firstly because it didnt happen few years now (Firenze was hard with parcourse not pace), secondly cuz of Valverde in spanish team, he is their best chance FTW (lol
) and he doesnt need hard race.
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Hello mate, good to read you
A train made of riders interested in winning, such as England and Italy, could very well catch Contador, even when he's ascending a mountain, so yeah, I think it had to be really hard. Valverde or Rodriguez wouldn't be a threat, since they're all spanish
ILovecycling said:I dont think it has to be such a mountain, but it has to be that big to eliminate Murito and Piti advantage of punch.lenric said:
Also ...Hello, I havent seen you for a while here
Hello mate, good to read you
A train made of riders interested in winning, such as England and Italy, could very well catch Contador, even when he's ascending a mountain, so yeah, I think it had to be really hard. Valverde or Rodriguez wouldn't be a threat, since they're all spanish
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Problem is that if the course is not hard enough they (Murito,Piti) will be leaders as they are better punchers than AC, and he will have only free role.IMHOlenric said:ILovecycling said:I dont think it has to be such a mountain, but it has to be that big to eliminate Murito and Piti advantage of punch.lenric said:
Also ...Hello, I havent seen you for a while here
Hello mate, good to read you
A train made of riders interested in winning, such as England and Italy, could very well catch Contador, even when he's ascending a mountain, so yeah, I think it had to be really hard. Valverde or Rodriguez wouldn't be a threat, since they're all spanish
They made him a jersey that he didn't have to lift his arm to put on. How cool is that?
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/05/news/sewing-a-custom-pink-jersey-for-injured-contador_370340
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/05/news/sewing-a-custom-pink-jersey-for-injured-contador_370340
Great ride by the team. They rallied, supported and took care of him during the race. That should be counted a winning feel by itself. Hope he has another goodnight sleep tonight and his shoulder finally settles down. Tomorrow is another hard stage.
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Doesn't matter that it was 2nd and 3rd week since Contador has in the past put up better wattages in the 3rd week than other riders can do in the 1st.
Also Andy Schleck, Lance Armstrong, Joaquim Rodriguez, Cadel Evans, Alejandro Valverde, all also did best in 3rd week in gts but still won big 1 day races.
Why is it that every gt rider that takes classics remotely seriously becomes a contender in them? Even Sastre once almost won CSS. Even Basso has fought for Lombardia numerous times.
The idea that the greatest gt rider of his era is somehow unsuited to classics which have thousands of ascent metres that have always been dominated by climbers, is an idea that is limited almost exclusively to Contador fans in Contador threads searching for excuses as to why Contador doesn't do classics.
ILovecycling said:Good post,but you forgot the most important feature.All of your examples happened in a GT 2nd and 3rd weeks, this doesnt have almost anything in common with a race like WC.The Hitch said:LaFlorecita said:The Hitch said:
Races on challenging parcours go to sprints when the riders are more or less even. or if they are raced conservatively.
If someone races it hard it becomes a hard race. Liege Bastogne Liege is these days a glorified sprint. Yet in another year, on the same parcors, Andy Schleck won it, solo, by attacking 30k out.
The olympic road race in 2012 was supposed to be a sprint with Cav as the favourite. In a dry run the year before it had been a bunch sprint. Who contested the win? 2 gt riders. Why? Because it was made hard.
if Verbier Contador turns up to the Firenze worlds and attacks a few times on Fiesole, he crosses the line before the rest of the peloton have even finished climbing.
Its not even like there aren't examples of Contador doing this. When he attacked on Col de Manse on what is hardly the worlds hardest climb, he in a minute reduced the entire peloton to a field of 3 and took a minute on all but 2 of his rivals (was going to attack again). Fuente de was an even easier parcors and he won that and destroyed Murito and Froome.
Just look at Wednsday and the way he reduced a field of 20 to a field of 4 with 1 attack.
Contador goes on form to the worlds with a very strong Spanish team, attacks at points in the race,there is no sprint at the end I guarantee you that. What you get instead is a crawl mighty fight between the strongest riders and no one else.
Who is going to win that. The strongest riders. And peak Contador is stronger than anyone else. He came top 10 in Lombardia once and top 10 in Liege and both times he wasn't his strongest. Not built for 1 day races? please. Murito and Andy Schleck are far less well built and talented for them and both have won monuments.
What happens if a peak Contador tries 1 day races? I see nothing but good things.
I agree with you he would have a chance if its raced super-hard, but I cant see that coming, firstly because it didnt happen few years now (Firenze was hard with parcourse not pace), secondly cuz of Valverde in spanish team, he is their best chance FTW (lol
Doesn't matter that it was 2nd and 3rd week since Contador has in the past put up better wattages in the 3rd week than other riders can do in the 1st.
Also Andy Schleck, Lance Armstrong, Joaquim Rodriguez, Cadel Evans, Alejandro Valverde, all also did best in 3rd week in gts but still won big 1 day races.
Why is it that every gt rider that takes classics remotely seriously becomes a contender in them? Even Sastre once almost won CSS. Even Basso has fought for Lombardia numerous times.
The idea that the greatest gt rider of his era is somehow unsuited to classics which have thousands of ascent metres that have always been dominated by climbers, is an idea that is limited almost exclusively to Contador fans in Contador threads searching for excuses as to why Contador doesn't do classics.
He looked quite well, considering his injury- perhaps the gravity of it was exaggerated- although- on RAI he said because of the length of today's stage, he was feeling very uncomfortable after the 4th hour of racing, which was a burden-but his aim was to finish it safe, get back to the hotel ASAP to put some Ice on the shoulder & rest.
mission accomplish & tomorrow is the real challenge
mission accomplish & tomorrow is the real challenge
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