Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

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rick james said:
Red Rick said:
This is absolutely a discussion I want to spend a larger amount of time in my life on. It's really gonna add to my quality of life.
well don't join in..
I am genuinely concerned for you Rick. What are you going to do when your English boys disappear in a couple of years or less? Can't see you supporting an Aussie team, ps I think your Rangers boys might just win the SPL.
 
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ferryman said:
rick james said:
Red Rick said:
This is absolutely a discussion I want to spend a larger amount of time in my life on. It's really gonna add to my quality of life.
well don't join in..
I am genuinely concerned for you Rick. What are you going to do when your English boys disappear in a couple of years or less? Can't see you supporting an Aussie team, ps I think your Rangers boys might just win the SPL.
why not an Aussie team? they are a fine outpost of the British Empire :)

And if we turn up like we did at the last Old firm then it wil be a close fight....


If said it before i liked Bertie (he's a dog lover whats not to like about that)its the way some of his fans go on that gets me
 
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Simurgh said:
Frankschleck said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-i-think-froome-can-win-the-tour-and-bernal-the-giro/


"There are a lot of strong riders out there but not one that raced like I did."

He is right. Kruijsweak showed this year he had more balls than contador ever had. And to be honest as much as i hate to say it Froome put in a better attackive preformance than you ever did. Normally like Contador but he lost some points there for me.
Kruijswijk didn't show that. Yes, it was a long range attack, but I would argue, that it was more to help the true captain, Roglic, than to go for personal glory (although he sure would be happy if he'd won!).
Besides, SKY let Kruijswijk go, because he doesn't have nearly the same class as Contador. Kruijswijk got a lot of leeway, because SKY knew that they could catch him with their 3rd best domestique, if they wanted to. I like him, and feel a lot of sympathy for him, especially after that Giro, but no one would argue, that he is more than a 3rd tier rider at best. Which is another reason for letting him go.
So to say that Kruijswijk has a lot more balls than Contador ever had is like saying that Thomas de Gendt has more balls than Contador, because he always attacks. No offense.

I knew someone would mention Froome, eventually. Yes, it was an attack, a very long range one too, and he succeeded! But he was so ridiculously strong that day, that it wasn't balls either, but raw (i wouldn't say pure because it stinked of the forbidden word) strength. I know that you didn't mention this, but I feel its implied. For me, I enjoyed Froome's Finestre-Jafferau coup as much as his Ax-3 or his Pierre Saint Martin performances. Which means not at all. Because it was obvious how it would end. Bennett's instinctive reaction after that stage, in which he uttered the 3 famous words, summed it up perfectly.
Huge Contador fan here, but also a fan of coherence and reason. So basically, Kruijswijk doesn't count because he was weaker than Contador and Froome doesn't count because he was stronger than Contador...? Come on, credit where credit's due. You're applying retrospective knowledge to judge the actors of the event. You don't know you're stronger than others until you test them. And it takes balls to do so. Dumo made tactical errors, IMO, that lost him that Giro. He was weaker than Froome and might have lost it the next day regardless, but he did not show the same panache that Froome did. Also, before that stage, Yates had seemed invincible. If you place yourself at the point in time of the attack, the panache is more apparent.
 
Funniest thing about Kruijswijk is that a week later he had the super obvious move he could follow on the Tourmalet and he didn't, which led to Jumbo having to chase down a breakaway instead of putting pressure on Sky.

If anything, Contador isn't praised for making one brave attack, it's for trying every single time, even conjuring up some raids when he didn't necessarily have the legs.
 
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Red Rick said:
Funniest thing about Kruijswijk is that a week later he had the super obvious move he could follow on the Tourmalet and he didn't, which led to Jumbo having to chase down a breakaway instead of putting pressure on Sky.

If anything, Contador isn't praised for making one brave attack, it's for trying every single time, even conjuring up some raids when he didn't necessarily have the legs.
Totally, and I’m not discounting that. Contador has panache in spades. He also had a winner’s mentality. He went for it every time. There were times when it was frustrating as a Contador fan. It didn’t always seem smart, but it was always beautiful. Froome consistently attacks for victory, too, and, IMO, is a worthy champion. Not my favorite. Not Contador. But it would be disingenuous to suggest he’s not an attacking rider. He’s done it when he’s the strongest (2013, 2015 Tours), when he’s not (2014 Vuelta) and when it’s unclear if he is or isn’t (2016/2017 Tours, 2018 Giro).
 
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Red Rick said:
Funniest thing about Kruijswijk is that a week later he had the super obvious move he could follow on the Tourmalet and he didn't, which led to Jumbo having to chase down a breakaway instead of putting pressure on Sky.

If anything, Contador isn't praised for making one brave attack, it's for trying every single time, even conjuring up some raids when he didn't necessarily have the legs.
Even trying raids when he not only didn't have the legs, but was really too injuried to even still be racing. (See 2016 Tour on the stage he ended up abandoning the race.)
 
Posted on Instagram a video of 2014 Dauphine of Froomes attack and him following with the caption “biggest attack I faced “ (paraphrased) probably
Forgets how much pain Rasmussen put on him
 
Scarponi said:
Posted on Instagram a video of 2014 Dauphine of Froomes attack and him following with the caption “biggest attack I faced “ (paraphrased) probably
Forgets how much pain Rasmussen put on him
The best display of Froome vs Contador. I could not believe what was happening
Regarding Rasmussen i remember Contador attacking Rasmussen and him trying to desperately follow. Not the other way around
 
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Yeah that was an awesome finish. I was so hyped for the clash at the Tour... Would have been a great battle.
 
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IndianCyclist said:
Scarponi said:
Posted on Instagram a video of 2014 Dauphine of Froomes attack and him following with the caption “biggest attack I faced “ (paraphrased) probably
Forgets how much pain Rasmussen put on him
The best display of Froome vs Contador. I could not believe what was happening
Regarding Rasmussen i remember Contador attacking Rasmussen and him trying to desperately follow. Not the other way around
Then rewatch the Aubisque stage. That was mano-a-mano stuff of legends.
 
Squire said:
IndianCyclist said:
Scarponi said:
Posted on Instagram a video of 2014 Dauphine of Froomes attack and him following with the caption “biggest attack I faced “ (paraphrased) probably
Forgets how much pain Rasmussen put on him
The best display of Froome vs Contador. I could not believe what was happening
Regarding Rasmussen i remember Contador attacking Rasmussen and him trying to desperately follow. Not the other way around
Then rewatch the Aubisque stage. That was mano-a-mano stuff of legends.
It was mostly just Rasmussen following and owning him on the last kilometer when Conta had no more fuel left after attacking left and right for the past three days tbh.
 
No idea where the Aubisque hype is coming from recently. I mean it was a good stage, but iirc Contador didn't really look like he was dropping Rasmussen at any point, and actually I think Leipheimer attacked almost as often as Contador did that day which is a massively weird thing to write.

About the Froome comparison, you have to give Froome credit for the way he races but comparing his attacks with Contador's is like an Apples, Oranges comparison. Yeah, Froome couldn't have known his Finestre attack was gonna work the way it did but he surely knew his legs were good that day. This was still a more or less calculated move and to be fair, that's how Froome wins most of his races but it also means that this attack didn't quite give me the Contador vibes, because for every succesful Contador long range attack that worked I can give you two or three that failed. I mean even Contador's crown jewel, the Fuente De stage was a case of him catching everyone off guard, profiting from his opponents weak team and a bad day of that same opponent, being helped by a former teammate and finally still only winning the stage by a matter of seconds. Now I've heard people going on about how that attack wasn't actually that great because he didn't win that Vuelta by being the strongest, but that's exactly the point. Froome attacking like a madman on the Col du Beal was amazing and in general he has put up big shows on mountain top finishes many times, but domination isn't what appeals to me. It's not a coincidence that I started to like Contador more and more the less succesful he got, because that was when you really started to see what he was made of. No other rider of a similar calibre in this generation races the way Contador did and nobody even gets near.
 
Gigs_98 said:
No idea where the Aubisque hype is coming from recently. I mean it was a good stage, but iirc Contador didn't really look like he was dropping Rasmussen at any point, and actually I think Leipheimer attacked almost as often as Contador did that day which is a massively weird thing to write.

About the Froome comparison, you have to give Froome credit for the way he races but comparing his attacks with Contador's is like an Apples, Oranges comparison. Yeah, Froome couldn't have known his Finestre attack was gonna work the way it did but he surely knew his legs were good that day. This was still a more or less calculated move and to be fair, that's how Froome wins most of his races but it also means that this attack didn't quite give me the Contador vibes, because for every succesful Contador long range attack that worked I can give you two or three that failed. I mean even Contador's crown jewel, the Fuente De stage was a case of him catching everyone off guard, profiting from his opponents weak team and a bad day of that same opponent, being helped by a former teammate and finally still only winning the stage by a matter of seconds. Now I've heard people going on about how that attack wasn't actually that great because he didn't win that Vuelta by being the strongest, but that's exactly the point. Froome attacking like a madman on the Col du Beal was amazing and in general he has put up big shows on mountain top finishes many times, but domination isn't what appeals to me. It's not a coincidence that I started to like Contador more and more the less succesful he got, because that was when you really started to see what he was made of. No other rider of a similar calibre in this generation races the way Contador did and nobody even gets near.
Hey now, Bardet shouts of the rooftop he tried everything every year.
 
Gigs_98 said:
No idea where the Aubisque hype is coming from recently. I mean it was a good stage, but iirc Contador didn't really look like he was dropping Rasmussen at any point, and actually I think Leipheimer attacked almost as often as Contador did that day which is a massively weird thing to write.

About the Froome comparison, you have to give Froome credit for the way he races but comparing his attacks with Contador's is like an Apples, Oranges comparison. Yeah, Froome couldn't have known his Finestre attack was gonna work the way it did but he surely knew his legs were good that day. This was still a more or less calculated move and to be fair, that's how Froome wins most of his races but it also means that this attack didn't quite give me the Contador vibes, because for every succesful Contador long range attack that worked I can give you two or three that failed. I mean even Contador's crown jewel, the Fuente De stage was a case of him catching everyone off guard, profiting from his opponents weak team and a bad day of that same opponent, being helped by a former teammate and finally still only winning the stage by a matter of seconds. Now I've heard people going on about how that attack wasn't actually that great because he didn't win that Vuelta by being the strongest, but that's exactly the point. Froome attacking like a madman on the Col du Beal was amazing and in general he has put up big shows on mountain top finishes many times, but domination isn't what appeals to me. It's not a coincidence that I started to like Contador more and more the less succesful he got, because that was when you really started to see what he was made of. No other rider of a similar calibre in this generation races the way Contador did and nobody even gets near.
What's in your avatar? ;)
 
LaFlorecita said:
Red Rick said:
LaFlorecita said:
VayaVayaVaya said:
No ones talking about Contador and Giro yet?
I did not expect a new puppy so soon after Tour died but it seems it was a gift from Ivan Basso.
It is so cute.
Tour died? :(
Oh yeah a couple weeks ago
Alberto posted a video on his Instagram page
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtJGQ9IgwXT/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=16xwb4p7kjp40

Sad times :(
Why did he die?
Who allowed him to die?
 
sir fly said:
LaFlorecita said:
Red Rick said:
LaFlorecita said:
VayaVayaVaya said:
No ones talking about Contador and Giro yet?
I did not expect a new puppy so soon after Tour died but it seems it was a gift from Ivan Basso.
It is so cute.
Tour died? :(
Oh yeah a couple weeks ago
Alberto posted a video on his Instagram page
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtJGQ9IgwXT/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=16xwb4p7kjp40

Sad times :(
Why did he die?
Who allowed him to die?
It got contaminated :(
 
Nice to see that Alberto was never really "the second place is no good" guy, posting passionately on social media today about one of his epic last stage - ultimately 'failed' - attacks in the race to the sun.

For me, better than Formigal! :)
 
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gregrowlerson said:
Nice to see that Alberto was never really "the second place is no good" guy, posting passionately on social media today about one of his epic last stage - ultimately 'failed' - attacks in the race to the sun.

For me, better than Formigal! :)
It's fighting for the win that is good. Not the 2nd place.
 

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