Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

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TANK91 said:
WHEEEYYYY nice to be back.


Angliru it's irreleleevant weather Contador gets payed more the facts are Kreuziger was far stronger than AC in the TDF(not just the TDF either, remind me who as got the wins for Saxo this year?). What would the difference be, why make Kreuziger lose 1:45 on AX-3, did RK really need to stay with him did he really save AC loads of time. Beecause to me he would have been with Porte and Mollema. The facts are RK would have podiume'd if he had a free role/co leader. The guy came back to AC on every mountain stage that says it all really, not one not two but atleast three Mountain stage finish Kreuziger tempo'd back to AC every time. Kreuziger is always underrated the guy is still young remember, and was he really that bad in 2012 Giro, because imo he looked great, then 1 bad day and he wins a stage. Look at his GT results quite consistent. Now he as a 5th place while slaving I think AC and RK will both be leaders now.

Contador's reputation in the grand tours dictated that he be the protected rider. As someone else posted earlier, if this were 2014 then I'm certain Kreuziger would be given more latitude to ride his own race. All of this after-the-fact expert analysis is quite entertaining.;) Kreuziger was given the opportunity to show his value throughout the season and his stock obviously has gone up as a result of his season performance.
 
Angliru said:
The issue here is your own disappointment not Contador's supposed "attitude". Riders occasionally misjudge the timing of their peak's, alter their preparation due to sudden changes in their race schedule and subsesquently muck their performances in target events. Getting it right can be hit or miss. I think I said this in another thread or maybe this one: a rider that has minimal missteps in the grand tours that he's ridden in the past and now has what is considered for him a bad season, is now being hit by you with accusations of purposely deceiving the media and fans. What would motivate someone to lie about their fitness level and expectations knowing that they will be exposed in the end? Your likely response is to guarantee his team's support in the Tour thus keeping Kreuziger in a lieutenant's role. Would the team management and sponsors have accepted that Contador would ride for Kreuziger, a rider that hasn't shown the ability to finish any better than 7 in the gc in the Tour and had struggled to meet expectations off and on in the grand tours? Contador is paid the big bucks to compete in the Tour, not to ride in support of Roman nor to skip the Tour and prep for the Vuelta.

Contador's seasons have always centered around the Tour. Being one of the the sports premier stage racers and grand tour contenders I would think that it is the expectation of his sponsors that he focus on being at his best at the sport's most high profile event. You act as if you're surprised that the Tour is his season goal as if he's ever (well at least since 2007) entered a season saying that he's going to set the Giro or the Vuelta as his season's target.
Him saying that the Tour is what matters most to him is simply the truth.

Maybe he is, as Airstream mentioned in the past, on the decline and has simply exhausted his period of excellence, which for grand tour champions is generally maxed out at 6 to 7 years.

As I said at the beginning of my post, your personal disappointment has colored your perspective such that you're prepared to dream up looney and dastardly scenarios regarding Contador's season and performance. What's disappointing to me is that your opinion of him has fallen so far that you would find him capable of such actions. I guess coming from the person who is given credit for dubbing Contador "The Great One", his fall from such heights would effect you more so than some of us. You're radical switch from support to degradation is reminiscent of LaFlo's seemingly hormonal rollercoaster of emotions as it pertains to Contador. At least with LaFlo she has her age to explain it.:(

:$ hitch is just as old as I am
 
TANK91 said:
WHEEEYYYY nice to be back.


Angliru it's irreleleevant weather Contador gets payed more the facts are Kreuziger was far stronger than AC in the TDF(not just the TDF either, remind me who as got the wins for Saxo this year?). What would the difference be, why make Kreuziger lose 1:45 on AX-3, did RK really need to stay with him did he really save AC loads of time. Beecause to me he would have been with Porte and Mollema. The facts are RK would have podiume'd if he had a free role/co leader. The guy came back to AC on every mountain stage that says it all really, not one not two but atleast three Mountain stage finish Kreuziger tempo'd back to AC every time. Kreuziger is always underrated the guy is still young remember, and was he really that bad in 2012 Giro, because imo he looked great, then 1 bad day and he wins a stage. Look at his GT results quite consistent. Now he as a 5th place while slaving I think AC and RK will both be leaders now.

TANK91 said:
This 1 million percent I don't think he will be a bad cyclist I just don't think he is AS good. Because he was great so young you cant expect him too still dominate. Do I think he can win a GT? Yes I doo but he needs to be quick I think a Vuelta he can just about achieve. But with Quintana, Froome about, they wont just be riding the TDF each year, and don't forget Niballi.

1 thing, you say remind me who got the wins for saxo again, actually it is Breschel who got the wins, Contador and Kreuziger got 1 each.

I disagree with everything else.
 
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The Hitch said:
Bare in mind also his 4th in the tour was well above his abilities. Anyone else would not have been given the support he had so no wonder it was good by other peoples standards. Aside from that kreuziger for starters was better than him but team.orders caused him to finish lower. Valverde was way better but had the mechanical. Porte as a team leader would have finished well above Contador too.

It's been really poor from Contador no 2 ways about it. And while you could say he can be excused a bad year what can't be excused is his attitude.

He spent the whole year and the whole tour saying it was all good, he'd peak in the final week, he'd light up the montana's and give us a tour to remember.

Even though he knew he was talking horse**** he still lied to the fans.

And what he offered after all those promises was a pathetic performance. Which he makes even more pathetic by announcing that he doesn't give a **** about any other race but the tour.

No excuses acceptable here. Really shameful stuff from Contador and had Andy schleck been behind those things y'alld be calling for his head

He didn´t lie to anybody, lie to the fans...are you serious?
He told Madoit already on Corsica it felt wrong, the numbers didnt add up as he and Riis had expected. He´s preparations had never been better, the numbers broke all records, and he was confident when they left for the tour he could and would win it.

Then something happen, and they don´t know what it is, his body just didn´t react as supposed to and he felt it.
What do you expect him to do? Go to the press and announce for his rivals to see, he´s fu cked? He´s a human, not a freaking machine you can turn on and off, sometimes it goes as planned, sometimes it doesn´t, they tried out a new approach, the numbers were the best he ever seen, but it just didnt work. **** happens, that the team then play their cards all wrong is not a blame to put on AC, blame Riis.
 
LaFlorecita said:
:$ hitch is just as old as I am

I'm not sure what this emoticon :$ represents.:confused:

I didn't know that Hitch was in his 20's. Well, with you part of it is that you're female and find Contador attractive (at least based on your posts that is what I'm guessing). Hitch has built Contador up and now is ready to tear him down when the going has gotten rough. I don't want to call him a fairweather fan but his recent posts almost necessitate that being the description I have to use.
 
Angliru said:
I'm not sure what this emoticon :$ represents.:confused:

I didn't know that Hitch was in his 20's. Well, with you part of it is that you're female and find Contador attractive (at least based on your posts that is what I'm guessing). Hitch has built Contador up and now is ready to tear him down when the going has gotten rough. I don't want to call him a fairweather fan but his recent posts almost necessitate that being the description I have to use.

You wouldn't?? :confused:

:p
 
xrayvision said:
He didn´t lie to anybody, lie to the fans...are you serious?
He told Madoit already on Corsica it felt wrong, the numbers didnt add up as he and Riis had expected. He´s preparations had never been better, the numbers broke all records, and he was confident when they left for the tour he could and would win it.

Then something happen, and they don´t know what it is, his body just didn´t react as supposed to and he felt it.
What do you expect him to do? Go to the press and announce for his rivals to see, he´s fu cked? He´s a human, not a freaking machine you can turn on and off, sometimes it goes as planned, sometimes it doesn´t, they tried out a new approach, the numbers were the best he ever seen, but it just didnt work. **** happens, that the team then play their cards all wrong is not a blame to put on AC, blame Riis.
I am glad to be back able to read the forum, I missed it and missed all of your comments, on the other hand, I had a great time in France following the Tour. As a fan of Alberto, I suffered hard when I saw him battle. Froome was out of the world and in my opinion, Saxo did great protecting Contador and managing to keep Roger and RK high enough up on the standings to keep the team title. Alberto showed his class again as he rode as hard as he could, that was evident many times. For me, as a fan, I will be waiting for the rematch with Sky and Froome.
 
Netserk said:
You wouldn't?? :confused:

:p

Well, I always thought of us and others as comrades in arms in our support of Contador so I'm not ready to toss him (Hitch) under the bus. I'd like to think that he's temporarily emotionally overwhelmed by his disappointment in Contador's inability to summon the form that brought him his previous success at the Tour. I'm hoping he'll eventually come to his senses. :)
 

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It's quite selfish to accuse Contador. He gave his current 100%. All who are disappointed too much and blame him dwelled in the past and put a blink eye until Ax 3 apparently. For me personally the Tour intrigue was being formulated like if Contador would be just weaker or significantly weaker than Froome. Certainly, many things changed in GTs for the last few years. The other thing is Contador undoubtedly had 1000 of chances to make a suicide move and really demonstrate 'all or nothing even if it's nothing' but it didn't occur for some reason...
 
airstream said:
It's quite selfish to accuse Contador. He gave his current 100%. All who are disappointed too much and blame him dwelled in the past and put a blink eye until Ax 3 apparently. For me personally the Tour intrigue was being formulated like if Contador would be just weaker or significantly weaker than Froome. Certainly, many things changed in GTs for the last few years. The other thing is Contador undoubtedly had 1000 of chances to make a suicide move and really demonstrate 'all or nothing even if it's nothing' but it didn't occur for some reason...
His Sarenne move costed him the podium.
 
xrayvision said:
He didn´t lie to anybody, lie to the fans...are you serious?
He told Madoit already on Corsica it felt wrong, the numbers didnt add up as he and Riis had expected. He´s preparations had never been better, the numbers broke all records, and he was confident when they left for the tour he could and would win it.

Then something happen, and they don´t know what it is, his body just didn´t react as supposed to and he felt it.
What do you expect him to do? Go to the press and announce for his rivals to see, he´s fu cked? He´s a human, not a freaking machine you can turn on and off, sometimes it goes as planned, sometimes it doesn´t, they tried out a new approach, the numbers were the best he ever seen, but it just didnt work. **** happens, that the team then play their cards all wrong is not a blame to put on AC, blame Riis.

Seems like you still believe the lies.
 
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He'll race GP de Plouay, the Canadian races, Milano-Torino, and Lombardia. And maybe also worlds (that ones not certain yet).
 
murali said:
any ideas regarding the rest of season for contador?

Will he be in worlds??
contador has confirmed that he will not defend his vuelta a españa title and will instead focus on one-day races in the final weeks of the 2013 season. He will ride the gp ouest-france, gp de québec, gp de montréal, the world championships – “if the selectors want me” – and the tour of lombardy. “as races, they’re not the best suited to me, but they motivate me a lot,” he said.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lighter-racing-programme-for-contador-in-2014
 
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King Boonen said:
Seems like you still believe the lies.

Seems like we just have to live with the usual bs, or perhaps you have a source that proves your statement?
No? No ofc not. .........................................^...yes bs.