Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Hugo Koblet]

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It is not possible to peak for both the Giro and the Tour. He either needs to peak for the Giro and hold his form throughout the following 2 months, or build towards a peak during the Giro and reach that peak at the Tour.

Yes, it is possible to peak for both the Giro and the Tour, and Contador will be very close to peak condition (at least that's the plan) in the Giro.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

It is not possible to peak for both the Giro and the Tour. He either needs to peak for the Giro and hold his form throughout the following 2 months, or build towards a peak during the Giro and reach that peak at the Tour.

Yes, it is possible to peak for both the Giro and the Tour, and Contador will be very close to peak condition (at least that's the plan) in the Giro.

What? 1 month is never enough to build up to peak form again. He needs to be at 95% at the Giro and then at 100% at the Tour. It's impossible to be 100% at the Giro, drop form to 85-90% and build up to 100% again.

 

[rm7]

Re: Re:

It is not possible to peak for both the Giro and the Tour. He either needs to peak for the Giro and hold his form throughout the following 2 months, or build towards a peak during the Giro and reach that peak at the Tour.

Yes, it is possible to peak for both the Giro and the Tour, and Contador will be very close to peak condition (at least that's the plan) in the Giro.

Yes, I also think its possible to peak for both the Giro and the Tour, but you have to sacrifice everything else (1 week races etc). But the problem is, that you can't peak for all three weeks in both grand tours.

He has to come into the the Giro with low fatigue and around 94-95 % shape - 2nd and 3rd week it'll be close to 100 %. Then no racing, only training to keep fatiuge down, and then come into the Tour at maybe 95 %. I think his Tour form will be like his Vuelta 2014, and maybe Giro form little less.

 

[LaFlorecita]

How long till Tinkov tries to put himself in the races if this continues?

My dear @tinkoff_saxo fans.Tomorrow @1900 CET will our official press release regarding Sport Director.Wish the best tomorrow #gentwevelgem

omg are we going to hear this crazy russian will hire his botle boys in his old days playing bicycle team Tinkoff Credit? a man that we barely heard his name to lead the most profile WT Team with 2 big stars?? This better be a joke!

This makes no sense to me

 

[staubsauger]

Re: Re:

It is not possible to peak for both the Giro and the Tour. He either needs to peak for the Giro and hold his form throughout the following 2 months, or build towards a peak during the Giro and reach that peak at the Tour.

Yes, it is possible to peak for both the Giro and the Tour, and Contador will be very close to peak condition (at least that's the plan) in the Giro.

Yes, I also think its possible to peak for both the Giro and the Tour, but you have to sacrifice everything else (1 week races etc). But the problem is, that you can't peak for all three weeks in both grand tours.

He has to come into the the Giro with low fatigue and around 94-95 % shape - 2nd and 3rd week it'll be close to 100 %. Then no racing, only training to keep fatiuge down, and then come into the Tour at maybe 95 %. I think his Tour form will be like his Vuelta 2014, and maybe Giro form little less.

All you need is a backloaded Giro to hit peak shape just about the last week, a main-contender that's likely to crack at least once anyway, a Tour where it's again enough to be in shape just before week 2 and a main-contender who gets nervous if pressure him by surprise.

Pantani 98

Most likely Contador will have all of this just like Pantani had in 98. He will either fail to succeed of course or will have another miscalculation like in 11, when he tries to hold his Giro shape again! In that case LaFlo will have to realize, that toward his palmares Contador just hasn't got the quality of peak Pantani!

That said, if Contador manages 2nd at the Tour behind Quintana it's definitely a success.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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All you need is a backloaded Giro to hit peak shape just about the last week, a main-contender that's likely to crack at least once anyway, a Tour where it's again enough to be in shape just before week 2 and a main-contender who gets nervous if pressure him by surprise.

Pantani 98

Most likely Contador will have all of this just like Pantani had in 98. He will either fail to succeed of course or will have another miscalculation like in 11, when he tries to hold his Giro shape again! In that case LaFlo will have to realize, that toward his palmares Contador just hasn't got the quality of peak Pantani!

That said, if Contador manages 2nd at the Tour behind Quintana it's definitely a success.

So you don't give him even a 1% chance to pull it off?

In that case LaFlo will have to realize, that toward his palmares Contador just hasn't got the quality of peak Pantani!

Wtf does this even mean

 

[whittashau]

Word is that he crashed heavily about 3k from the finish

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Word is that he crashed heavily about 3k from the finish

yes... god damnit everything is going wrong

 

[Jelantik]

Re: Re:

It is not possible to peak for both the Giro and the Tour. He either needs to peak for the Giro and hold his form throughout the following 2 months, or build towards a peak during the Giro and reach that peak at the Tour.

Yes, it is possible to peak for both the Giro and the Tour, and Contador will be very close to peak condition (at least that's the plan) in the Giro.

Yes, I also think its possible to peak for both the Giro and the Tour, but you have to sacrifice everything else (1 week races etc). But the problem is, that you can't peak for all three weeks in both grand tours.

He has to come into the the Giro with low fatigue and around 94-95 % shape - 2nd and 3rd week it'll be close to 100 %. Then no racing, only training to keep fatiuge down, and then come into the Tour at maybe 95 %. I think his Tour form will be like his Vuelta 2014, and maybe Giro form little less.

All you need is a backloaded Giro to hit peak shape just about the last week, a main-contender that's likely to crack at least once anyway, a Tour where it's again enough to be in shape just before week 2 and a main-contender who gets nervous if pressure him by surprise.

Pantani 98

Most likely Contador will have all of this just like Pantani had in 98. He will either fail to succeed of course or will have another miscalculation like in 11, when he tries to hold his Giro shape again! In that case LaFlo will have to realize, that toward his palmares Contador just hasn't got the quality of peak Pantani!

That said, if Contador manages 2nd at the Tour behind Quintana it's definitely a success.

I don't know if you can make that kind conclusion based on 2011. Remember, he didn't plan his season to take TDF at 2011. He planned to compete on the Giro only. So logically he would put all his eggs into the Giro. When he wasn't being banned yet, He and Bjarne decided to go to the Tour probably hoping that the form would carry over. I don't think in this modern era, you can just wing it when you want to attempt double. (that seems to be the case in 2011. sorta 'see what happen'). Right now his form isn't as stellar as last year. That probably part of his plan to control when and how many percent, where he needs to be at what point in time to be able to spread his form or maintain between these 2 GT. Is it possible? well we heard it from the horses's mouth: it's impossible until some one tries it.

 

[SkyTears]

i think he will go for Giro-Vuelta double, like 'surprise bitches'

 

[LaFlorecita]

 

[LaFlorecita]

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i think he will go for Giro-Vuelta double, like 'surprise bitches'

I hope so, TDF is overrated. Giro is Alberto's favorite race and Vuelta his home GT

 

[Jack_89]

It does not seem serious thankfully

 

[LaFlorecita]

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It does not seem serious thankfully

I don't know, that looks like it'll be very sore for a while

 

[LaFlorecita]

Sergi López-Egea ‏@sergi_lopezegea 4m4 minutes ago
Oficial. Magulladuras y quemaduras superficiales en brazo, gluteo y pierna izquierda. Un ciclista del Colombia se le cruzó y tumbó Contador

Gosh darn Colombians

 

[BlurryVII]

Contador should just pull out of this *** race, it's not worth it. Looks like, it's one of those years where everything goes wrong. Ridiculous.
I personally don't have much hope anymore for the rest of the season.

 

[Carols]

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Well that seriously Sucks

 

[sacrifice&hardwork]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I was only able to find

[ 69º 214 DUQUE, Leonardo COL COLOMBIA a 01:50 ]

as the only Colombia rider who came in with the peloton.

 

[SeriousSam]

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i think he will go for Giro-Vuelta double, like 'surprise bitches'

I hope so, TDF is overrated. Giro is Alberto's favorite race and Vuelta his home GT

TDF> Giro + Vuelta. What really matters is overcoming the best, which target the Tour.

 

[Red Rick]

In or outside the last 3k? If it's minor he should just finish tomorrow if he's still 3rd, if it's minor and he lost major time he should go in the break tomorrow.

 

[burning]

Contador should just pull out of this **** race, it's not worth it. Looks like, it's one of those years where everything goes wrong. Ridiculous.
I personally don't have much hope anymore for the rest of the season.

Well, this sort of stuff usually happens much more frequently when you and your team are not strong.

 

[Jack_89]

Contador should just pull out of this **** race, it's not worth it. Looks like, it's one of those years where everything goes wrong. Ridiculous.
I personally don't have much hope anymore for the rest of the season.

He should retire already this year , after this Volta

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I was only able to find

[ 69º 214 DUQUE, Leonardo COL COLOMBIA a 01:50 ]

as the only Colombia rider who came in with the peloton.

Does it matter?

 

[Jack_89]

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Sergi López-Egea ‏@sergi_lopezegea 4m4 minutes ago
Oficial. Magulladuras y quemaduras superficiales en brazo, gluteo y pierna izquierda. Un ciclista del Colombia se le cruzó y tumbó Contador

Gosh darn Colombians

So , "good" news. Nothing of serious apparently and the Giro is still far( 40 days , he has time to recover and training)

 

[LaFlorecita]

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i think he will go for Giro-Vuelta double, like 'surprise bitches'

I hope so, TDF is overrated. Giro is Alberto's favorite race and Vuelta his home GT

TDF> Giro + Vuelta. What really matters is overcoming the best, which target the Tour.

Yeah, sure, whatever, I was just stating my personal opinion. I hate the Tour.

In or outside the last 3k? If it's minor he should just finish tomorrow if he's still 3rd, if it's minor and he lost major time he should go in the break tomorrow.

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