Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[LaFlorecita]

I read on some Norwegian site back when Alberto signed the 3.5 year deal he actually only got a 3mln/year contract instead of the 5.5mln he used to get.

 

[Angliru]

yes.. I mean 2013. Not 2012. I thought he is supposed to win one GT every year with that kind of money? no? if not . then 4.5 euro seems like an easy money then.

side note: I hope bjarne would puke blood before taking oleg back. This guy is a jerk. After roche got the red jersey he gotta tweet something condesanding. Finally the team pay back the sponsor. As much as he was right to say that, but what a jerk. Imagine if he actually got his way running saxo tinkoff. I bet everyone can't wait to leave..

Tinkoff has shown that he completely lacking in the class department and I imagine his tweets do absolutely nothing for team morale and motivation. His attitude is such that the sport is better off without his sponsorship and involvement.

 

[Le Baroudeur]

Not going anywhere acording to Alberto.

http://www.bt.dk/cykling/contador-afviser-riis-exit

 

[Le Baroudeur]

I read on some Norwegian site back when Alberto signed the 3.5 year deal he actually only got a 3mln/year contract instead of the 5.5mln he used to get.

No idea if they know there stuff but Danish media quotes DKr 25 million, about 4.4 Million USD, 3.3 Million Euros.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Not going anywhere acording to Alberto.

http://www.bt.dk/cykling/contador-afviser-riis-exit

Great news thank you Berto

 

[LaFlorecita]

No idea if they know there stuff but Danish media quotes DKr 25 million, about 4.4 Million USD, 3.3 Million Euros.

That seems more like it. So not 4.5mln €€€.

 

[Le Baroudeur]

Great news thank you Berto

He never issues denials... I have this on good authority from a notorious groupie...

 

[LaFlorecita]

He never issues denials... I have this on good authority from a notorious groupie...

I know right

 

[murali]

how much should alonso pay for AC?

 

[LaFlorecita]

how much should alonso pay for AC?

Nothing, he should keep his hands off Alberto.

 

[murali]

i meant, hypothetically if AC were to join the alonso's team, what are the monetary implications?

 

[LaFlorecita]

An appropriate place for Hitch to explain the point he's been trying to make by complaining about Contador for those who still don't get it, like me.

He flies like a butterfly
He was stung by a bee
Cant keep him down though
V. Ni-ba-li.

Since when you are on board? LOL

Since he was the first to abandon the sinking AC ship.

Never abandoned no ship. Im the guy radioing in from hq that the captain is behaving incompetently and steering the ship into an area of mucho soviet submarines.

I refuse to go down some "God save the king, its his ministers to blame" caution/cowardice route and pretend the king/captain in the analogy is faultless.

Whether yall choose to listen to my info or burn effegies of me as a traitor, thats up to yall

Fair enough, though I still don't get what that "info" is supposed to be. My opinion on you doesn't change because I have no clue what the point is you're trying to make (feel free to explain in it in an appropriate place) ans as the crazy russian would say "the bridges are fired".

 

[LaFlorecita]

i meant, hypothetically if AC were to join the alonso's team, what are the monetary implications?

1.5mln a year I would say. Plus some more mlns to buy out his contract.

 

[Carols]

1.5mln a year I would say. Plus some more mlns to buy out his contract.

Just his name is worth more than 1.5m.....

I'm Very glad he is staying with Bjarne!!!

 

[LaFlorecita]

Just his name is worth more than 1.5m.....

I'm Very glad he is staying with Bjarne!!!

A top 5 GC rider is worth about 1 mln. Add 0.5 to that for his name and you get 1.5mln. Seems like a fair amount to me and let's not kid ourselves, he doesn't need the money anyway. I am even thinking signing a 250,000 contract somewhere on a big team would make him perform better. Much less pressure. Just let him do his thing and he could win some smaller stage races and stages in bigger stage races.

One of his main problems is and will always be that he will never be allowed even a meter. That used to be no problem because he was the strongest so he could win anyway, but now that he isn't the strongest anymore it suddenly becomes a problem. Everyone is right on his wheel when he tries to go. He needs to be the strongest to actually win something. That's why I believe there will be very few wins coming his way in the next few years. He needs to change his attitude and stop acting like the #1 gc rider he used to be. When sky and the likes realize he's no real threat anymore he can get some wins.

 

[Carols]

A top 5 GC rider is worth about 1 mln. Add 0.5 to that for his name and you get 1.5mln. Seems like a fair amount to me and let's not kid ourselves, he doesn't need the money anyway. I am even thinking signing a 250,000 contract somewhere on a big team would make him perform better. Much less pressure. Just let him do his thing and he could win some smaller stage races and stages in bigger stage races.

One of his main problems is and will always be that he will never be allowed even a meter. That used to be no problem because he was the strongest so he could win anyway, but now that he isn't the strongest anymore it suddenly becomes a problem. Everyone is right on his wheel when he tries to go. He needs to be the strongest to actually win something. That's why I believe there will be very few wins coming his way in the next few years. He needs to change his attitude and stop acting like the #1 gc rider he used to be. When sky and the likes realize he's no real threat anymore he can get some wins.

Well I think you know what my opinion is, it hasn't changed. His flame Burned Early, it Burned Brightly...it is flickering. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he never won another GT.

The only thing that will change my opinion is seeing the flame in action on the road again.

It's all downhill from here, he needs to earn and invest wisely as much as possible while his name and reputation still mean something.

 

[The Hitch]

Contador 2011 Tour was not strong and wasn't allowed a meter. He still cracked Schleck on Gap.

Contador 2012 Vuelta was not strong and wasn't allowed a meter. He didn't give a ****, got that meter and then over the next 30k, another 1000 or so.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Contador 2011 Tour was not strong and wasn't allowed a meter. He still cracked Schleck on Gap.

Contador 2012 Vuelta was not strong and wasn't allowed a meter. He didn't give a ****, got that meter and then over the next 30k, another 1000 or so.

He was still 3 times as strong as this year. This year, he couldn't even attack. He tried at the start of the season and gave up after 2 races.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Well I think you know what my opinion is, it hasn't changed. His flame Burned Early, it Burned Brightly...it is flickering. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he never won another GT.

The only thing that will change my opinion is seeing the flame in action on the road again.

It's all downhill from here, he needs to earn and invest wisely as much as possible while his name and reputation still mean something.

Carol I agree although I am not sure this is just a natural decline but somehow you make it sound very dramatic not cool because it makes me sad even though when I think of it I don't get sad at all

 

[LaFlorecita]

Contador 2011 Tour was not strong and wasn't allowed a meter. He still cracked Schleck on Gap.

Contador 2012 Vuelta was not strong and wasn't allowed a meter. He didn't give a ****, got that meter and then over the next 30k, another 1000 or so.

PS see a couple of posts ago, could you explain what point you're trying to make by posting negative things about Contador, I feel like I'm missing the point. Your post in the Nibali thread made it sound like your complaining actually serves a purpose. Could you explain it to me, I am genuinely interested.

 

[roundabout]

Contador 2011 Tour was not strong and wasn't allowed a meter. He still cracked Schleck on Gap.

Contador 2012 Vuelta was not strong and wasn't allowed a meter. He didn't give a ****, got that meter and then over the next 30k, another 1000 or so.

He was riding like a motorcycle on both occasions, so I am not sure where your idea that he was not strong comes from.

 

[LaFlorecita]

He was riding like a motorcycle on both occasions, so I am not sure where your idea that he was not strong comes from.

He was not strong compared to other races.

 

[roundabout]

He was not strong compared to other races.

Because he didn't completely destroy everyone else on 2nd category climbs?

 

[The Hitch]

PS see a couple of posts ago, could you explain what point you're trying to make by posting negative things about Contador, I feel like I'm missing the point. Your post in the Nibali thread made it sound like your complaining actually serves a purpose. Could you explain it to me, I am genuinely interested.

I made posts in certain discussions. I criticised Contador in some of them because he deserved to be criticised on the subjects being discussed.

Those posts are very easy to understand. If you do not understand something in them feel free to highlight that point and ill explain. You should not have any problem understanding them however because most of my points were made explicitly.

I have not been launching some wider crusade against Contador like some of you claim (presumably in order so that you could go to bed with some narrative about how I have made some face heel turn into a Contador hater)

Since I am not making any wider case against Contador i have absolutely no great "point" i need to explain.

 

[The Hitch]

Because he didn't completely destroy everyone else on 2nd category climbs?

It was meant to be a response to LF's comment about Contador not being allowed a meter and how now that he isn't the strongest he has little chance to get away.

I guess I forgot to insert the quote.

The "not strong" doesn't neccesarily only refer to a comparison with his former self but also with his opponents.

In 2011 Tour he was outclimbed on 3 of the 4 mountain stages. In the 2012 Vuelta Murito was his equal / very slight superior on every single climbing stage.

He still managed to get away in those races despite over the course of the race not being the strongest (climber as far as 2012 vuelta goes cos with tt he was still the srongest)