Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[LaFlorecita]

Tony is much heavier.

Just like Nibali is heavier than Contador.

 

[Netserk]

I think we can all agree that Contador would have won the Tour if hadn't crashed. He was simply that much better than Nibali.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Nibali beated an old aussie, a random spanish rider and 2 frenchies.

Let him beat the best before claiming he's better than the best

I've got nothing more to add. Good post

 

[sir fly]

Just like Nibali is heavier than Contador.

When a climber does remarkably well on a stage like Arenberg, that's a sure sign he's in blistering form.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Are you serious? "Nibali was 4th in this tour reasonablyt flat tt. Hard to be much better than that" Really? That's a STRONG assumption. So a top shape Contador would certainly not beat Nibali in that TT, nice one.

5. Are you implying Nibali at his peak is better than Contador at his peak as well? LOL
Are you aassuming that Contador, 7 times GT winner can't peak for a 3 weeks july race? LOL²

Also I saw you posted a link to TA 2013, do you want me to fill up this page with every video showing AC's better abilities both in TT as well as climbing?

You stated that AC is, not was or will be in the future, but is a better tt'er (which implies any type of terrain). You got NO reasonable evidence for this claim AT ALL.

No I claim that ACs base level is higher than Nibali, but that says little about how they will perfom when they peak for their main goal of the season...
No I don't assume that he can't peak for 3 weeks...
Please show me a video where AC crush Nibali in a climbing stage from the last 2 years in a race that they both peaked for.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Just like Nibali is heavier than Contador.

yea 1 kg...

 

[Kwibus]

Pointless discussion going on again?

Obviously Froome would've won the TdF.

 

[sir fly]

It's speculation but it makes sense, Contador would have needed to attack at pretty much every opportunity to get back as much time as possible. We defnitely would have seen a different race.



So we can say Contador dropped Nibali to Gerardmer cause he was better, right?

I wouldn't call a couple of seconds in the sprint at the line dropping.
A dozen, twenty, thirty seconds - that would be a dropping.

But I can say that Contador left an impression of a rider with bigger reserves.

 

[Miburo]

Please show me a video where AC crush Nibali in a climbing stage from the last 2 years in a race that they both peaked for.

Contador has always proven to be better than nibali. Shouldn't you give that rider the benefit of the doubt? Why give it to Nibali? Don't make any sense.

Unless you can show me 1 MTF in his entire career where nibali crushed AC? Even in his terrible year of 2013 there's none.

Please give me the feats.

 

[No_Balls]

In the first paragraph you say an absolutely sensible thing.
But by the end of the second paragraph the sense leaves you and you continue to speculate all the way to the end of the post.

I see nothing but speculations

What is clear after the first really uphill-test is that a) Contador seemed a little better B) TS looked more stronger and solid then Astana c) he was still 2.37 after and both he and his team needed to gain time asap. d) He would needed to attack and his team would have helped him. That is ingredience for a different race.

If you still think Nibali would have soloed to every victory with Froome and Contador as observers in the bunch you is of course entitled to that opinion. Lets just say i disagree with it.

 

[The Hitch]

Funny how in the "other" place when Verbier is brought up some people would say that it doesn't count because of the alleged tailwind while over here it's "proof" of supreme climbing ability

Please show a post where I ever defended contador in the clinic

I always said contador verbier was possibly the most physiologically dominant performance in cycling history. Clinic, no clinic, Twitter etc.

 

[kingjr]

I wouldn't call a couple of seconds in the sprint at the line dropping.

It wasn't even a sprint, Contador lead all the way to the line in the last KM and Nibali couldn't hold it.
I say that leaves an impression of a rider who simply can go faster uphill than the other.

 

[The Hitch]

I can't respond. I was warned and I don't want to be suspended for the upcoming Vuelta.

Why can't you respond

I'm pretty sure you were warned for trolling a d breaking the rules. Don't go crying about how you can't respond now. Just post normally in a non trolling fashion like the rest of us and you'll be fine

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Contador has always proven to be better than nibali. Shouldn't you give that rider the benefit of the doubt? Why give it to Nibali? Don't make any sense.

Unless you can show me 1 MTF in his entire career where nibali crushed AC? Even in his terrible year of 2013 there's none.

Please give me the feats.

what about no benefiting of any kind of doubts anywhere at any time?
We got the TA stage for 13 as I showed to LaFlo
They have been targeting different races over the last couple of years. Last year Nibali was better than AC. I agree that ACs form last year was absolutely awful.
This year AC has been climbing like an angel, and been in form all year, while Nibali has been building his form steadily towards the tour. That is something some people here got some trouble with understanding it seems. As I've said 100 times allready. ACs base form is higher than Nibalis, but they haven't been matched with each other in peak form for a looong time (and Nibali has improved since what, giro 11?)
I am not sure Nibali would have beaten AC in this tour ofc. Mybe AC would have climbed 7.0kg/w for 3 weeks for all I know. In a reasonable world though, Nibalis watts shows us that he wouldn't have been far behind/on par with Froome 13 and that I think is a very strong argument for his chances in a fight with AC.

 

[sir fly]

I see nothing but speculations

What is clear after the first really uphill-test is that a) Contador seemed a little better B) TS looked more stronger and solid then Astana c) he was still 2.37 after and both he and his team needed to gain time asap. d) He would haved to attack and his team would have helped him. That is ingredience for a different race.

If you still think Nibali would have soloed to every victory while Froome and Contador as observers in the bunch you is of course entitled to that opinion. Lets just say i disagree with it.

Where did you get that impression?

 

[Red Rick]

http://www.steephill.tv/players/720...hboard=tour-de-france&id=p4En4nUZ9kYo&yr=2014

 

[sir fly]

It wasn't even a sprint, Contador lead all the way to the line in the last KM and Nibali couldn't hold it.
I say that leaves an impression of a rider who simply can go faster uphill than the other.

O.K., it wasn't a sprint.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

O.K., it wasn't a sprint.

As we all know JRod isn't a good uphill sprinter at all. He is just clearly the best climber of all. It was a uphill sprint

 

[The Hitch]

Troll-o-meter goes ding ding ding DING DING DING!!!

It's VAM. Weight and wind doesn't matter.

This is the same poster who earlier today said slipstream doesn't exist on climbs

 

[sir fly]

As we all know JRod isn't a good uphill sprinter at all. He is just clearly the best climber of all. It was a uphill sprint

Yes, something along these lines.

 

[Red Rick]

As we all know JRod isn't a good uphill sprinter at all. He is just clearly the best climber of all. It was a uphill sprint

It's not a sprint if you can't accelerate cause you're blown up. Contador sprinted, Nibali couldn't sprint.

One was fresh as a daisy, the other was blown, while the other had his type of weather

 

[The Hitch]

I am the first one to admit I don't remember how long or steep the Verbier climb is but if I recall correctly it was the first mountain stage at the 2009 tour and almost all top riders posted crazy high VAM's during that stage.

Every tdf has a first mountain stage. Why weren't any of the gc riders on any of the other first mountain stages as fast as contador?

 

[Rollthedice]

It's not a sprint if you can't accelerate cause you're blown up. Contador sprinted, Nibali couldn't sprint.

One was fresh as a daisy, the other was blown, while the other had his type of weather

Contador sprinted because he thought he was winning the stage. Nibali can't sprint. It was the last 50 meters. Stage over.

 

[Netserk]

Contador sprinted because he thought he was winning the stage. Nibali can't sprint. It was the last 50 meters. Stage over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPADmm7ZzKQ

 

[Red Rick]

Contador sprinted because he thought he was winning the stage. Nibali can't sprint. It was the last 50 meters. Stage over.

Contador commented that he wasn't sure and that when he saw they weren't gonna ride for the win, he decided to take a few seconds