Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Gigs_98]

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I still believe that if he reaches again the level of this spring, he will worthily challenge Froome and Quintana. In certain one week races could actually beat them but through the three weeks of a GT , in the long run he will be defeated

He said before la Vuelta he was at his best and he showed his best all the Vuelta, he could even drop Froome sometimes as in la Camperona.. stop with that BS he was not at his best. Cotador has never been so strong as this Vuelta.

numbers said that, he has ever bee after his satio as strog as quitaa or froome, except he wast peaking, as Froome 2014 (but alberto wanst stroger reallu, just lucky) Vuelta or quitana 2014Vuelta, or i a ropute perfect for him as Pais Vasco.

If Contador put to Froome 1,5 min at the TTT and Quitaa crash the secod stage Contador win this Vuelta, becouse is just to follow Froome as he did in 2014.. and he can do that if he is so strong at he was now or i 2014.

I know you are analyzing cycling, but please throw away your calculator and watch the races instead.

What I see in 2014 is that Contador was lucky Froome did a mistake in the ITT, and he has just to follow Froome.. this year he need to attack, so he lost time, the only differece.

He was better than Froome at la camperona this year and worse in 2014, what you mean,that according to that he was better now?? no, the same he wasnt better in 2014 becouse he droped Froome in Ancares or Farrapona, just a few secod nafter to be wheelsuker him a lot..it is like if Quitana attack 1 km before Aitana, for sure he get 15 seconds...

That is ehat I saw,what you saw?

Besides, what I saw is accordig with numbers.. beter number of Contador ever in Covadonga.

What are you powerfull argumets?

If cotador didnt beat quitana and Froome as she did in the past is becoue he is weaker now...

Did he beat quitaa in Cataluña, didhe beat Froome at Dauphine?? didhe beat them peaking out of Pais Vasco anytimes??

NO

Contador gained time on Froome in La Camperona because Froome blew himself up, just as Contador started the climb to fast in 2014. Instead let's take a look at all the other mtf's, because in almost all of them Contador was dropped by Froome, although he just followed him like in 2014. The big difference is that this year Froome has the Tour and the Olympics in his legs, while in 2014 the Vuelta was his first real gt.

And you have already posted often enough that his numbers in Covadonga were better than in 2012 and 2014, but that doesn't automatically mean he was also better this year. The pace was simply higher since Froome dropped early on and therefore there was a high pace for the whole climb. Or do you think Valverde, Chaves and Scarponi are all better than the best Contador ever because they beat him there.

I also don't think Quintana and Froome have such a superb statistic against Contador if you take out 2013. Or do you also think that Contador had his best numbers in that year?

 

[Valv.Piti]

We can all try to deny reality, but Contador had his peak pre Froome, 2007-2011. There really isn't much more to it. Whether Contador had better numbers in 2012, 2014 or 2016 doesn't tell much. I don't know if Taxus is right, but Froome has simply been better than Alberto from 2012 and onwards, especially super peaking-wise. There is absolutely no contest.

 

[Red Rick]

Froome has been more reliable in getting peaks right. The Contador was the one who was gonna match Froome managed to not reach the mountains. Question is whether he can get back to 2014 form though.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Froome has been more reliable in getting peaks right. The Contador was the one who was gonna match Froome managed to not reach the mountains. Question is whether he can get back to 2014 form though.

Thats very questionable at his age, pretty close to unlikely at this point. Post suspension, I could only see Alberto match Froome in a mano a mano at 100% one time which was in 2014 TdF and both crashed out. He would have to have taken 1-2 minutes out of Froome that year in the mountains to win, not super unlikely, but very hard. And then there was Nibali who just might have ran away with it all.

 

[Taxus4a]

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I still believe that if he reaches again the level of this spring, he will worthily challenge Froome and Quintana. In certain one week races could actually beat them but through the three weeks of a GT , in the long run he will be defeated

He said before la Vuelta he was at his best and he showed his best all the Vuelta, he could even drop Froome sometimes as in la Camperona.. stop with that BS he was not at his best. Cotador has never been so strong as this Vuelta.

numbers said that, he has ever bee after his satio as strog as quitaa or froome, except he wast peaking, as Froome 2014 (but alberto wanst stroger reallu, just lucky) Vuelta or quitana 2014Vuelta, or i a ropute perfect for him as Pais Vasco.

If Contador put to Froome 1,5 min at the TTT and Quitaa crash the secod stage Contador win this Vuelta, becouse is just to follow Froome as he did in 2014.. and he can do that if he is so strong at he was now or i 2014.

I know you are analyzing cycling, but please throw away your calculator and watch the races instead.

What I see in 2014 is that Contador was lucky Froome did a mistake in the ITT, and he has just to follow Froome.. this year he need to attack, so he lost time, the only differece.

He was better than Froome at la camperona this year and worse in 2014, what you mean,that according to that he was better now?? no, the same he wasnt better in 2014 becouse he droped Froome in Ancares or Farrapona, just a few secod nafter to be wheelsuker him a lot..it is like if Quitana attack 1 km before Aitana, for sure he get 15 seconds...

That is ehat I saw,what you saw?

Besides, what I saw is accordig with numbers.. beter number of Contador ever in Covadonga.

What are you powerfull argumets?

If cotador didnt beat quitana and Froome as she did in the past is becoue he is weaker now...

Did he beat quitaa in Cataluña, didhe beat Froome at Dauphine?? didhe beat them peaking out of Pais Vasco anytimes??

NO

Contador gained time on Froome in La Camperona because Froome blew himself up, just as Contador started the climb to fast in 2014. Instead let's take a look at all the other mtf's, because in almost all of them Contador was dropped by Froome, although he just followed him like in 2014. The big difference is that this year Froome has the Tour and the Olympics in his legs, while in 2014 the Vuelta was his first real gt.

And you have already posted often enough that his numbers in Covadonga were better than in 2012 and 2014, but that doesn't automatically mean he was also better this year. The pace was simply higher since Froome dropped early on and therefore there was a high pace for the whole climb. Or do you think Valverde, Chaves and Scarponi are all better than the best Contador ever because they beat him there.

I also don't think Quintana and Froome have such a superb statistic against Contador if you take out 2013. Or do you also think that Contador had his best numbers in that year?

Froome was in 2014 Vuelta just becouse he need to finish a GT thinkig in 2015, no more, no a real objetive, he tried to win and he has a decent shape as now, but no more.. for Contador that was the race of his life, without pressure.

Yes, Contador a Quitana has betaed Froome in la Vuelta, but they didt showed to be strongerst in the race and what really matters is le Tour. so cotador and Quintana has o shpwed to be better than Froome.

Contador just tried to follow Froome now?? We watched another race. Contador attacked in los Lagos the first, and attacked in Aubisque.. in the Muritos he lost time sometimes and he gained sometimes, as in 2014.

Contador got a millonaire contract now by sayig he finally wast at his best at this Vuelta and that he can win the Tour again, well for him, but he need luck as nibali had to win le Tour. If Pereiro managed, of course Contador can

 

[Tonton]

Contador, again, won't have the team...the "mano a mano" talk is moot imo. Second place will be good ...

 

[HelloDolly]

If I have learned anything from cycling it is that numbers alone do not a champion make. The peloton is full of riders with great numbers who never do well

I also have learned that when you are wining you seem invincible ...to you and to fans but when you lose everyone including your fans write you off very easily

Contador believes he can win the Tour. Is he deluded ? Is he just grasping at straws. Shoud someone wake him up and tell him he is past it ?

Or maybe someone could have some faith in him . And trust he knows what he is doing ...He knows what he can achieve

.

 

[Jspear]

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Froome was in 2014 Vuelta just becouse he need to finish a GT thinkig in 2015, no more, no a real objetive, he tried to win and he has a decent shape as now, but no more.. for Contador that was the race of his life, without pressure.

Yes, Contador a Quitana has betaed Froome in la Vuelta, but they didt showed to be strongerst in the race and what really matters is le Tour. so cotador and Quintana has o shpwed to be better than Froome.

Contador just tried to follow Froome now?? We watched another race. Contador attacked in los Lagos the first, and attacked in Aubisque.. in the Muritos he lost time sometimes and he gained sometimes, as in 2014.

Contador got a millonaire contract now by sayig he finally wast at his best at this Vuelta and that he can win the Tour again, well for him, but he need luck as nibali had to win le Tour. If Pereiro managed, of course Contador can

Once Froome has been disqualified?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Lombardia is in the bag with those veins

Lol jens it would be mythical

 

[Jspear]

They are looking for WT points. Maybe the Vuelta lost can really motivate him...it would be epic.

 

[Matteo.]

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I still believe that if he reaches again the level of this spring, he will worthily challenge Froome and Quintana. In certain one week races could actually beat them but through the three weeks of a GT , in the long run he will be defeated

He said before la Vuelta he was at his best and he showed his best all the Vuelta, he could even drop Froome sometimes as in la Camperona.. stop with that BS he was not at his best. Cotador has never been so strong as this Vuelta.

numbers said that, he has never been after his sation as strog as quitana or froome, except he wast peaking, as Froome 2014 (but Alberto wanst stroger really, just lucky) Vuelta or Quitana 2014 Tirreno, or in a rpute perfect for him as Pais Vasco.

If Contador put to Froome 1,5 min at the TTT and Quitana crash the second stage Contador win this Vuelta, becouse is just to follow Froome as he did in 2014.. and he can do that if he is so strong at he was now or in2014.

Taxus, just your opinions. like everyone in here, you're not a new prophet (no offense).

you believe what he says Contador. All right, but you forget that heis a serial liar especially when he talks about his feelings. Do you want to take at ''face value'' ( I hope there is also this proverb in Spanish and English) what he says a proven liar? ok, no problem for me. (but was dropped like a stone from half peloton).

regarding the issue of Froome-Contador at vuelta 2014. Your opinion is that he won luckily (your words) in practice, because Contador has just sucked the wheels of Froome. He just followed and summarizing: Contador also won if he was not the strongest. ok, it's your opinion.
In my opinion however is the opposite: alberto won because he was the strongest, because he has distanced Froome both the Farapona both ancares. stop.
I remind you that even Tonkov in 1998 ,on montecampione, sucked wheels of Pantani but then he dropped him ... why? simply because Pantani was stronger and sucking is not enough. if Froome was stronger than alberto, he would have distanced in both MTFs (as done by Pantani) ... but instead he failed. indeed, alberto has outdistanced both times ... ergo, Alberto was the strongest.
Thisis my opinion, I respect yours, but do not agree with you. You can not expect that all people are okay with your own.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Interesting comment by Feltrin in CN article.. "Contador winning Il Lombardia would be the perfect goodbye" now maybe he was asked about it but still seems he is quite serious about Contador's chances??

 

[lenric]

Perhaps it's only Feltrin stating his desire.

 

[Lexman]

Gogl to follow Contador to Trek it seems, without a doubt Contador was pleased by his work in La Vuelta?

 

[Gigs_98]

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Gogl to follow Contador to Trek it seems, without a doubt Contador was pleased by his work in La Vuelta?

Gogl was surprisingly strong and the guy is only 22. He might become a very good domestique although I doubt gogl will already ride the tour next year.

 

[Lexman]

now they have Cardoso as well... good additions it seems to me

 

[filipepc]

Pantano is already confirmed?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Pantano is already confirmed?

I think so, yes. A few weeks ago.

 

[MacBAir]

I hope Sagan is their leader at Lombardia instead of Alberto. Put some tinkoff riders on every move, let Sagan join early, and go for it. That's their best change, anyway.

 

[Jspear]

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I hope Sagan is their leader at Lombardia instead of Alberto. Put some tinkoff riders on every move, let Sagan join early, and go for it. That's their best change, anyway.

Yep, cause Sagan can handle the amount of climbing in Lombardia at his current weight when he's probably more focused on the worlds....makes a lot of sense....

 

[LaFlorecita]

Sagan isn't even on the startlist. Kreuziger is their best shot, not Sagan or Alberto

 

[liamito]

Why isn't he doing Milano Torino? I can't think of a logical reason?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Why isn't he doing Milano Torino? I can't think of a logical reason?

Not sure, maybe he prefers some more training. He never mentioned the race in his interviews so I didn't expect him to race.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Hmm sounds like Alberto might be preparing us for a DNS at Lombardia, he says the weather has taking its toll on him.

 

[Billopoulos]

Or an explanation to a bad performarce there.

Btw, how pathetic was Tinkoff today...