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I was never like that, I was always being realistic. Of course that's from my point of view, others might have had different opinions than me but I tried to keep true to the facts. That's the one thing i'll never betray, that's why I always make fun of for example left of right people. They've an agenda, they don't know what truth really means, they're completely blind and the worst thing is that they don't even realise it. That's just sad.
But about Contador, the facts are the facts. You can make up excuses for the vuelta but he thought he was ready, he thought he was good enough. He wasn't, not even close. That's the harsh reality, his level wasn't good enough.
In the entire year we've had 3 good moments. 2 of which were hilly ITT which he's a god in. Even when he's 50 he'll prob can still beat a pro peloton in that area. It's made for him, just like the sport of basketbal was made for MJ and lebron.
Then you've the PN moment which was great but there were too many bad moments aswell. That's the problem, is it age? is it clinic? Is it Tinkov? Is it the coffee? Is it Majka? Is it whoever else the people here can find to blame?
Who knows, but this team is even worse than tinkoff and I don't see how he can win the tour with that team.
He will need to beat Froome and Quintana mano a mano when their teams are godlike, so he'll need to be even better you can argue.
When is the last time he did that?
Time to embrace reality. Does that mean i'm not a Contador fan? Trust me i'm the biggest fan of him here, i'll give a leg if he can win the tour.
But it's not gonna happen. And Contador knows that himself, if he really thought he could win the tour he wouldn't have signed with Trek. He wants more money, i won't blame him for that.
Instead of crying of how great he was a few years ago, i'm grateful for the joy he has given to me. The only thing that still hurts is the tour 2014. My grandchildren will still feel that pain.
Gigs_98 said:Oh c'mon, we want overly optimistic Miburo backMiburo said:
I was never like that, I was always being realistic. Of course that's from my point of view, others might have had different opinions than me but I tried to keep true to the facts. That's the one thing i'll never betray, that's why I always make fun of for example left of right people. They've an agenda, they don't know what truth really means, they're completely blind and the worst thing is that they don't even realise it. That's just sad.
But about Contador, the facts are the facts. You can make up excuses for the vuelta but he thought he was ready, he thought he was good enough. He wasn't, not even close. That's the harsh reality, his level wasn't good enough.
In the entire year we've had 3 good moments. 2 of which were hilly ITT which he's a god in. Even when he's 50 he'll prob can still beat a pro peloton in that area. It's made for him, just like the sport of basketbal was made for MJ and lebron.
Then you've the PN moment which was great but there were too many bad moments aswell. That's the problem, is it age? is it clinic? Is it Tinkov? Is it the coffee? Is it Majka? Is it whoever else the people here can find to blame?
Who knows, but this team is even worse than tinkoff and I don't see how he can win the tour with that team.
He will need to beat Froome and Quintana mano a mano when their teams are godlike, so he'll need to be even better you can argue.
When is the last time he did that?
Time to embrace reality. Does that mean i'm not a Contador fan? Trust me i'm the biggest fan of him here, i'll give a leg if he can win the tour.
But it's not gonna happen. And Contador knows that himself, if he really thought he could win the tour he wouldn't have signed with Trek. He wants more money, i won't blame him for that.
Instead of crying of how great he was a few years ago, i'm grateful for the joy he has given to me. The only thing that still hurts is the tour 2014. My grandchildren will still feel that pain.
King Boonen said:LaFlorecita said:https://twitter.com/albertocontador/status/815339143014322176
Haha
Happy New Year to all of Alberto's fans and admirers on the forum, ok and to all other forum members as well
Contador riding the Giro would be awesome. Not because I particularly want him to win, but it would be brilliant for basically all the main GT contenders to shun the TdF for once. Not going to happen though I think
Agree on points 1 and 2. Unfortunately the Tour is too important for the sponsors, but it's sometimes the low point of the year from a sporting standpoint. Too much circus, kind of a relief when it's over.
- Jul 25, 2012
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As the link was Spanish I didn't click (assuming the interview was in Spanish?). That's a shame, obvious why but still a shame.
Beech Mtn said:King Boonen said:LaFlorecita said:https://twitter.com/albertocontador/status/815339143014322176
Haha
Happy New Year to all of Alberto's fans and admirers on the forum, ok and to all other forum members as well
Contador riding the Giro would be awesome. Not because I particularly want him to win, but it would be brilliant for basically all the main GT contenders to shun the TdF for once. Not going to happen though I think
Agree on points 1 and 2. Unfortunately the Tour is too important for the sponsors, but it's sometimes the low point of the year from a sporting standpoint. Too much circus, kind of a relief when it's over.
To be honest I really don't care very much about the TdF. I watch it as it's on when I'm not riding unlike a lot of the one day races but it's pretty much always disappointing.
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Plus the 2008 Giro. When he thought he might do quite well, but everyone including himself expected Klöden and maybe even Leipheimer to be in significantly stronger shape. Especially Klöden.Red Rick said:
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Quintana crashed hard as well and responded by winning on Covadonga the same day.
He was the favourite going into the Vuelta and obviously Contador thought he could win. They said multiple times Contador wasn't affected by his Vuelta-crash which was the reason they thought he could win on Cabarga and chased the whole day. He didn't, but it would have made sense if he progressed later in the race which he really didn't do either, especially compared to Chaves. The top-level was gone.
Im not sure about 2013. I think he genuinely believed he could win with a super-peak alá Nibali in 2014. That was the consensus among fans, medias etc.
He was the favourite going into the Vuelta and obviously Contador thought he could win. They said multiple times Contador wasn't affected by his Vuelta-crash which was the reason they thought he could win on Cabarga and chased the whole day. He didn't, but it would have made sense if he progressed later in the race which he really didn't do either, especially compared to Chaves. The top-level was gone.
Im not sure about 2013. I think he genuinely believed he could win with a super-peak alá Nibali in 2014. That was the consensus among fans, medias etc.
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As for 2013, I think there's a big difference between what athletes say their form is and what their actual form is. I've never heard a favorite saying 'nah, I'm in bad shape, I'm not gonna be close to winning' before an important race. It's not in the interest of themselves, their team, or their sponsors.
As for the Vuelta, I really don't think it was a situation where he was always gonna be 100%. Situation was a lot different compared to 2014
As for the Vuelta, I really don't think it was a situation where he was always gonna be 100%. Situation was a lot different compared to 2014
- Jul 29, 2012
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You're being intellectualy dishonest here. You are comparing the importance of the vuelta and the tour here?
Do you understand the mistake?
And i'm sure Contador knew he could win the giro before he started it in 2008. But maybe that Contador was different than the one now who perhaps cares more about money than winning. The same happened with the great kobe bryant.
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You're being intellectualy dishonest here. You are comparing the importance of the vuelta and the tour here?
Do you understand the mistake?
And i'm sure Contador knew he could win the giro before he started it in 2008. But maybe that Contador was different than the one now who perhaps cares more about money than winning. The same happened with the great kobe bryant.
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There's a reason why Contador won all this GT's between '07 and '12. Not only cause he was the best but he knew when he had the right shape.
That's why he didn't do the vuelta in his prime years, the tank was empty and his pride didn't allow him to lose.
But after losing many times, you become accustomed it and eventually you stop fighting against it or at least stop to an extent. Contador will fight the hardest against it but once again if you go to Trek, you clearly don't care that much about winning.
That's why he didn't do the vuelta in his prime years, the tank was empty and his pride didn't allow him to lose.
But after losing many times, you become accustomed it and eventually you stop fighting against it or at least stop to an extent. Contador will fight the hardest against it but once again if you go to Trek, you clearly don't care that much about winning.
- Feb 20, 2012
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Skipping the Vuelta is a legit option if you've ridden the Tour competitively. The Vuelta has been the GT for those who fail at the Tour for some years now. Not riding it when he could was not an option. He had to try.
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Skipping the Vuelta is a legit option if you've ridden the Tour competitively. The Vuelta has been the GT for those who fail at the Tour for some years now. Not riding it when he could was not an option. He had to try.
It's very different. In 2014 he left the Tour with an injury, but for the rest his body was in great shape. Last year he crashed on day 1 and 2 and rode on for a week. If there's one thing you can do to ruin your form, it's exercising when you actually need to recover. I'm confident Contador lost a lot more form between crashing in the 2016 Tour and starting Vuelta training than he did in 2014.Jspear said:
- Jul 29, 2012
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I'm shocked that none of you are disgusted that he went to trek. He has no one there. All of you were bashing on the tinkoff team but still had the 4th strongest GT team.
Now he has what??? The 15th strongest GT team?
That's what we call, being a hypocrite. I won't be in that category
Now he has what??? The 15th strongest GT team?
That's what we call, being a hypocrite. I won't be in that category
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For a mere mortal like you maybe RR. Watch some vids of real champions and you'll understand it maybe.
But once again maybe he thought he could win with those legs which means that he's really done. I'm done using crashes as an excuse, it's getting pathetic imo
But once again maybe he thought he could win with those legs which means that he's really done. I'm done using crashes as an excuse, it's getting pathetic imo
- Aug 3, 2015
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He should have been better than that in the Vuelta, but I still won't rule him out. I'd say chances of him beating Froome mano a mano are >10% at this point in TdF, but all it takes is a little bad luck for Froome. Evans did it, Contador can do it as well, but he will need everything to go his way.
I don't think its pathetic, but I think its too fanboyish to point to the crashes regarding his Vuelta performance this year. Im honestly surprised Red Rick still sticks to it.Miburo said:
He should have been better than that in the Vuelta, but I still won't rule him out. I'd say chances of him beating Froome mano a mano are >10% at this point in TdF, but all it takes is a little bad luck for Froome. Evans did it, Contador can do it as well, but he will need everything to go his way.
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You didn't get my point, Contador doens't care anymore. That's what fucks up his legacy.
If you knew kobe bryant's career you would get my point but to make it simple. Contador cares more about money than actually winning.
And that definitely fucks up his legacy to an extent.
If you knew kobe bryant's career you would get my point but to make it simple. Contador cares more about money than actually winning.
And that definitely fucks up his legacy to an extent.
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And why wouldn't people bash the Tinkoff team? When a team is owned by such a vile person in Oleg Tinkov then why wouldn't people bag it? My issue was never with the strength of the team but the team owner. As for his move to Trek, well that was a mistake and not because it's Trek but more that I think he should of retired. I doubt he would of gotten a stronger support riders no matter what team he went to.
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And why wouldn't people bash the Tinkoff team? When a team is owned by such a vile person in Oleg Tinkov then why wouldn't people bag it? My issue was never with the strength of the team but the team owner. As for his move to Trek, well that was a mistake and not because it's Trek but more that I think he should of retired. I doubt he would of gotten a stronger support riders no matter what team he went to.
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Because he could have easily went to astana and be able to ride the tour.
We all know that, it's a fact. He would have gotten less money but he would be able to ride the tour with a very competitive team.
Now he's in a *** team where he'll never win the tour unless he gets extremely lucky or all the stars get together and grant him his '09 form.
We all know that, it's a fact. He would have gotten less money but he would be able to ride the tour with a very competitive team.
Now he's in a *** team where he'll never win the tour unless he gets extremely lucky or all the stars get together and grant him his '09 form.
the tour-vuelta double implies an accurate planning and it combines with a peak for the spring races really terribly. winning pn, pais vasco, tour and vuelta is probably harder than making the giro-tour double. I don't think it's doable on pure improvisation
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