Andre Cardoso positive for EPO

[movingtarget]

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...how many of the riders riding the tour commented along the lines of.............

'glad cardoso has been kicked out............now we can get on with a clean race...'

Mark L

Hopefully none. I don't like hypocrites.

It had to be Cardoso's teammate De Kort.. Key quote:

"I really believe that 99 per cent of the bunch is clean now. I know Tom Dumoulin really well and if he can win the Giro then cycling has cleaned up. Obviously there are still some guys hanging around that don’t know, can't change or whatever. Hopefully they'll get worked out of the sport, but if [Cardoso]'s really taken EPO then I hope I'll never see him again."



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/de-kort-taking-epo-is-ridiculous-its-just-so-stupid/

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So what is his opinion on Berto then I wonder

Contador good doper, Cardoso bad doper.

Cardoso too big a doso ?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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De Kort wins a$$hole of the year award.

What, ahead of Moscon?

 

[Tonton]

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De Kort wins a$$hole of the year award.

What, ahead of Moscon?

Mos Con (French for Moron) would be my nominee, with Bakelants a close second. De Kort gets the bronze (French slang word for sh*t from the expression "to cast a bronze" - to poop).

 

[BYOP88]

How much time would he have put into Thomas today? :lol: :lol:

 

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How much time would he have put into Thomas today? :lol: :lol:

Have you ever looked at one of André's TT results? He could have gone full Riccò and still lost a minute.

 

[staubsauger]

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How much time would he have put into Thomas today? :lol: :lol:

Have you ever looked at one of André's TT results? He could have gone full Riccò and still lost a minute.

Full Ricco lost 7 minutes.

 

[Benotti69]

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De Kort wins a$$hole of the year award.

What, ahead of Moscon?

I thought Moscon won racist of the year......

 

[GuyIncognito]

Plot twist

B sample might be negative. They cite "Swiss sources" but god knows if those actually exist

http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/2017/08/27/104337/cardoso-un-caso-spinoso-per-l-uci-tuttobicieb

 

[rei_da_montanha]

https://twitter.com/pmpalermo/status/898190169798574083

https://twitter.com/pmpalermo/status/901782486962855936

 

[LaFlorecita]

If it's true, it makes you wonder. Was his sample tampered with? Did the UCI mean to send a message to Contador to "back off, we're watching"?
The difference between Contador's Tour shape and Vuelta shape is immense.

 

[Echoes]

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What, ahead of Moscon?

A country mile, even. Those who disagree are really vengeful people.

 

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You can feel that the backlash Moscon received for his comments was over the top and/or that he doesn't deserve continued vilification, by all means, but please don't try to pretend that de Kort's words about Cardoso are worse than racism.

 

[Echoes]

I'm pretty sure that De Kort still means what he said now while Moscon apologised (by himself) right after the incident. Regretting is a sign of intelligence not of a$$holism...

 

[thehog]

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If it's true, it makes you wonder. Was his sample tampered with? Did the UCI mean to send a message to Contador to "back off, we're watching"?
The difference between Contador's Tour shape and Vuelta shape is immense.

I said the same here at the time of the positive A test. The UCI does work in strange ways and it looks Froome will get his 5 Tour wins and we can’t have Contador spoiling that.

 

[portugal11]

Sky controls UCI, contador was banned to sky have a chance of winning the tour with wiggins. A shame that team TUE's is able to compete in pro cycling

 

[ppanther92]

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If it's true, it makes you wonder. Was his sample tampered with? Did the UCI mean to send a message to Contador to "back off, we're watching"?
The difference between Contador's Tour shape and Vuelta shape is immense.

I said the same here at the time of the positive A test. The UCI does work in strange ways and it looks Froome will get his 5 Tour wins and we can’t have Contador spoiling that.

I mean you can't rule out anything considering how corrupt UCI is (remember Mayo getting the call?), but until proven i still consider it as unlikely.

 

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I'm pretty sure that De Kort still means what he said now while Moscon apologised (by himself) right after the incident. Regretting is a sign of intelligence not of a$$holism...

It's a sign of capacity for learning from your mistakes, not necessarily of intelligence, because avoiding such a reprehensible faux-pas is something most people would take for granted. Clearly Moscon had more to learn than most about what is and isn't acceptable.

Your point about regret vs. standing by your words/actions does raise an interesting point. If one considers an offence to be lesser, is it then worse to stand by a lesser offence, or to commit a greater offence and be repentant? It's an interesting judgement call. Personally, I consider Moscon's offence much greater than de Kort's, and therefore regretting his actions should be the very least we require from him, and does not therefore raise him above de Kort's level for picking and choosing who he is offended by and leaving Cardoso out to dry. But that's my personal opinion on the matter, and your mileage may vary.

 

[hrotha]

Moscon pretty much undid his own apology. You don't repent by saying you didn't do anything worth punishing. **** him.

 

[GuyIncognito]

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Moscon pretty much undid his own apology. You don't repent by saying you didn't do anything worth punishing. **** him.

This, essentially. He apologized and then said to any journalist who would listen that there was no reason to apologize because he didn't do anything wrong.

 

[thehog]

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Moscon pretty much undid his own apology. You don't repent by saying you didn't do anything worth punishing. **** him.

He didn't even apologise of his own volition, Portal had to walk him to the FDJ bus to apologise.

 

[Echoes]

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Moscon pretty much undid his own apology. You don't repent by saying you didn't do anything worth punishing. **** him.

He didn't even apologise of his own volition, Portal had to walk him to the FDJ bus to apologise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR7i8PfWK68

 

[Echoes]

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This, essentially. He apologized and then said to any journalist who would listen that there was no reason to apologize because he didn't do anything wrong.

Same as above. WRONG!

 

[thehog]

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This, essentially. He apologized and then said to any journalist who would listen that there was no reason to apologize because he didn't do anything wrong.

Same as above. WRONG!

Thanks Donald but I think you might be pushing fake news

Asked if he had any regrets about what happened, Moscon said: "I didn't kill anyone and the accusations are not completely founded. But I'd prefer to not talk about it anymore."

"I've always had a lot of support from my colleagues; they knew it was something ridiculous. A lot of people cheered for me during the race," he explained.

 

[hrotha]

You should totally bold the "they knew it was something ridiculous" bit, hog. I think it's even more damning than the rest.

 

[thehog]

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You should totally bold the "they knew it was something ridiculous" bit, hog. I think it's even more damning than the rest.

Done