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Andrew McQuaid accusses LeMond

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out of ten...

evidence for greg doping = 0 (although lets call beating dopers a 1)
evidence for McQuaid being corrupt = 9 (although lets call the acceptance of a blatant financial donation from a rider who has posted a positive and suspicious tests a 10)

going further
evidence of greg being one of the most naturally talented athletes of all time = 9
evidence of McQuaid being one of the worst sports administrators of all time = 9
 
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skimazk said:
Andrew has a point... by clinic standerds LeMond is just as suspicious as the rest of them...

Tour 1989
1 Greg LeMond (USA) ADR-Agrigel-Bottechia 87h 38' 35"
2 Laurent Fignon (FRA) Super U +0' 08" doping
3 Pedro Delgado (ESP) Reynolds-Banesto +3' 34" doping
4 Gert-Jan Theunisse (NED) PDM +7' 30" doping

5 Marino Lejarreta (ESP) Paternina-Marco-Equizabal +9' 39"
6 Charly Mottet (FRA) RMO-Mavic-Liberia +10' 06" doping
7 Steven Rooks (NED) PDM +11' 10" Doping

8 Raúl Alcalá (MEX) PDM +14' 21"
9 Sean Kelly (IRE) PDM +18' 25" Doping
10 Robert Millar (GBR) Z +18' 46" Doping


so he would be 9,39 faster than lejarreta and 18,25 min faster than alcala, the only 2 others in the top 10 not linked to dopeing...

Sorry guys, but Marino can not be clean by definition. He is Spanish.

Besides. He won the Vuelta a Espana by virtue of Arroyo being disqualified for doping and when presented with the trophy he stated that Arroyo was the moral winner.

The same defender of the doping status quo, just like Contador now or Lemond in the past. What more do you need to morally convict him?

Mottet on the other hand should be moved to the list of clean riders. First of all, the clinic says so, and secondly, his confession that doping did nothing to him must be taken into account. A non responder.

Thirdly. Perico Delgado should be moved to the clean list. He was caught using a substance that was not forbidden at the time by the UCI. Besides, Dr Bellocq elaborated a report stating that Probenicid was used for medical reasons, and if this doctor was Lemond's doctors that is good enough for me to discard any connection to doping. And above all, Lemond declared Perico innocent.

Finally, Fignon should also be moved to the clean list. In his book he tell us that although he doped on numerous occasions he did it just for fun and you could win without doping. And in any case, doping might have been detrimental when he likely took a toxic forbidden substance befor the final TT when he decided to compete without a helmet.
 
Carstenbf said:
I'm just shocked that Mr. McQuaid isn't under intense pressure from within the UCI to step down.

You are not thinking like Hein and Pat. If you assume the UCI IS run like the despot regime it is, Pat's actions makes much more sense. Pat is doing a good job too!

Carstenbf said:
but what does it really help if half the cycling community doesn't trust him?

Doesn't matter. Golden rule applies here. "He who has the gold, rules." Hein through Pat run Pro Cycling as they see fit.

**Clearly** there is some dirty secret still not found out about Wonderboy and Hein/Pat. Pat's next-day backtracking on letting USADA's ruling stand and the personal attacks on Lemond are ample evidence of this. What could be THAT bad?
 
Albatros said:
The same defender of the doping status quo, just like Contador now or Lemond in the past. What more do you need to morally convict him?

I'm not understanding. You mean the guy that called Wonderboy's performances suspicious? Because, it turns out they were.

Otherwise, you've got some comedy gold.
 
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DirtyWorks said:
I'm not understanding. You mean the guy that called Wonderboy's performances suspicious? Because, it turns out they were.

Otherwise, you've got some comedy gold.

Nope, the guy who defended Perico's innocence or the guy who while at PDM never said a word about doping and once they sacked him exploded with doping remarks. Or the guy who first accuses Indurain of doping and then retracks from it two hours later, or the guy who never had a word to say about Fignon or Hinault doping practices.

In fact we have a collection of Lemonds to suit our agendas.

There is an article over here where he even comdemns and condones doping at the same time. LeMond the great antidoping crusader to suit his needs....and working with Guimard, Van Mol and Bellocq.

Take that !!
 
Albatros said:
Nope, the guy who defended Perico's innocence or the guy who while at PDM never said a word about doping and once they sacked him exploded with doping remarks. Or the guy who first accuses Indurain of doping and then retracks from it two hours later, or the guy who never had a word to say about Fignon or Hinault doping practices.

In fact we have a collection of Lemonds to suit our agendas.

There is an article over here where he even comdemns and condones doping at the same time. LeMond the great antidoping crusader to suit his needs....and working with Guimard, Van Mol and Bellocq.

Take that !!

Mmmm but, I THINK the point you were trying to make is Lemond was a doper and nothing posted suggests that. In fact, he was there at the advent of EPO and clearly did not use it. More vague claims that Lemond doped shot down.

You know Armstrong told Lemond he'd pay for Lemond doping claims. Not that Armstrong would actually ever pay you, but you might get a few bob and a yellow wristband out of him if you really, actually, had something. But you don't.
 
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Albatros said:
Lonely as an albatross!

20 years and no one coming out of the omerta to call LeMond a hypocrite.

Where is Hinault? He is not afraid to call a spade a spade!

Where are all the others who witnessed it?

There was $300,000.00 on offer to rat out a so called doper. nice little sum for the pension.

Demand Media is really trawling the back alleys in texas for you guys!
 
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DirtyWorks said:
Mmmm but, I THINK the point you were trying to make is Lemond was a doper and nothing posted suggests that. In fact, he was there at the advent of EPO and clearly did not use it. More vague claims that Lemond doped shot down.

You know Armstrong told Lemond he'd pay for Lemond doping claims. Not that Armstrong would actually ever pay you, but you might get a few bob and a yellow wristband out of him if you really, actually, had something. But you don't.

Lemond was a doper and a massive hypocrite, both. By inderect means I have not doubt whatsoever that he did dope. By direct means I have pointed out to the enormous contradictions in his speech. It is just a matter for you lot to open your eyes.

Some manage, you know.

Lemond was a SELECTIVE anti doping crusader to suit his needs. Of that there is not doubt.

Van Mol, Bellocq, Guimard and the America blood doping coach whose name scapes me now.

And he survived them all clean, beat them all clean thanks to his superhuman VO2 max value, but only accused PDM after being sacked :confused:

You lot are more innocent than my 6 year old niece. :D
 
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Albatros said:
<snipped due to pure trolling>

You lot are more innocent than my 6 year old niece. :D

I bet you're 6 year old niece can work out LeMond is not a doper and could've worked out before she was born Armstrong was doping :rolleyes:
 
Albatros said:
Lemond was a doper

Hold it! What did he take? When did he take it? He certainly did not take EPO and yet you claim he was a doper. Specifics please or this is more trolling.

Albatros said:
By direct means I have pointed out to the enormous contradictions in his speech.

Get back to me when you find that human, more specifically a successful internationally dominant athlete that has lead a contradiction-free personal life, much less a contradiction-free public life.

Attempting to inflate nothing into something is a fail. Whatever they are or aren't paying you to troll, you aren't very good at it.
 
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Odd that the story of the son of the UCI President accusing a former TDF winner and critic of the UCI of doping and then removing the accusation doesn't seem to have been picked up by any of the cycling news sites.

Oh yes, much better to go back to 'looking to the future' and pretending that doping was all in the past.
 
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It's funny how the Lemond accusers always forget one important fact: since 2001, Armstrong had virtually unlimited resources to dig up dirt on Lemond to attempt a smear campaign. Despite his network of lawyers, fellow riders, business partners, and former coaches, he came up with nothing.

And yet, certain people are convinced he doped (with what, they can't expain) because he was a strong rider. Since age 16.
 
D-Queued said:
I was just about to jest that the next act will be for Pat McQuack to offer $100,000 to anyone that can provide evidence of Greg doping.

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Lance offered MUCH more than that to ANYONE to claim Greg doped, and it didn't happen then. I don't "get" why folks have such a hard on for trying to get LeMond? he didn't cheat, get over yourselves. Jealousy, that's all it is......
 
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DirtyWorks said:
Hold it! What did he take? When did he take it? He certainly did not take EPO and yet you claim he was a doper. Specifics please or this is more trolling.



Get back to me when you find that human, more specifically a successful internationally dominant athlete that has lead a contradiction-free personal life, much less a contradiction-free public life.

Attempting to inflate nothing into something is a fail. Whatever they are or aren't paying you to troll, you aren't very good at it.

You are the second sad person over here that has insinuated that I get paid to vent my opinion. Not only you are extremely naive, but completely wrong this time again, showing all the trends of the immature fan boy who doesn't like to be told that Santa Claus might not exist.

Troll, Lance Armstrong fan boy and now a paid man by who?

It must really hurt you what I am saying to show that anger towards me. Sorry, that is not my intention, although sometimes I have a little giggle reading your outrageous interpretations of Lemond's opinions and that of his critics.

But don't worry, I don't think you are getting paid by Lemond. :)
 
Lets be clear about something . Lemond is a fraud and a liar.

Really? Please explain...how is he infact a "fraud" and what has he lied about?



I dont think greg wants to punch Mcquaid in the face but he does want the job...Its clear in gregs mind there is no one but him that can save cycling. Greg the great clean crusader.


Yeah, you nailed it:rolleyes:

problem is we do have to question motives here and FACTS...Heres a guy who as a neo pro with no grand tour experience who was third in his first tour. A Neo pro THIRD?

What "facts" are you talking about exactly? LeMond came in 3rd his first tour, second his second tour, and (wait for it........) Won his 3rd tour. Those are "facts".

but squeaky clean Greg riding for Old school Guimard places third but hes clean? tahts a Good one !!!...



More nonsensical, UNPROVEN babble. Please post ANY CREDIBLE evidence that LeMond doped? one report/former teammate/coach/etc......can you do that for us please? or is this just another butthurt rant by a Wonderboy fan, who blatantly lies just to try to take heat off their man crush Wonderboy, the doper?


Please post ANY CREDIBLE proof(By credible, i dont mean your dog, the mail man, your mom, dad, sister, neighbor, Charles Manson, etc etc), I mean someone who ACTUALLY SAW GREG "DOPE" AND WILL BACK IT UP AS FACTUAL(must post proof here for all to read to be credible).

Guimard had a "program" guided himault fingnon and lemond

You mean Fignon?(your spelling is atrocious) Funny you bring up Hinault..I dont recall anyone ever saying he doped either, or proving it, care to post said proof here please?


...I suppose the ever so clean greg never noticed anything or did anything while there.


See response above......please post your said "proof/evidence" stating that Greg doped.


Funny he has never spoken of Guimard, Fignons Positives or Hinaults steroid road rage. ..mmm hmmm.


Do you have insider info that you're holding from us? Please explain this last one especially?


From my years racing I was always able to tell the dopers.


Crit 5 is not "racing" it's nothing, and you weren't a pro, so you'd have NO PRIOR knowledge, or PROOF of ANY of the things you've said here. You're no more an "expert" than your dog is. I doubt you were even a racer, you're completely full of bull$hit. One thing that always seems to crack me up, is all of the sudden "experts" that have now come out of the woodwork, to claim "Lemond doped"...yet, offer up no said proof/evidence stating that very thing(this is no different).


The ones whose performances stood out above and beyond the average top pros .


And this is your "expert" opinion Andy Hampsten, or are you just talking out of your a$$ here AGAIN, like you have been since the beginning? where is the said proof you were a racer? Got any race results, or anything stating you were? please post them. Plus, even if you were a "racer"(which we all know, YOU WEREN'T), how does that make you an expert on other riders? Are you a doctor as well? please explain......

Gregs first year performance with no experience whatsoever in the tour landing third is not exemplary its obviously unbeleivable but he did have a good doctor and old school guimard whoi always got results just like bruyneel....

Again, may I suggest you devote your time to fixing your poor spelling, and you've contradicted yourself here...just so you know.

Lotsa boy scouts on here who want to believe otherwise but greg has always been an unethical individual.

Oh yeah, and how do you determine/know that there's "lotsa of boy scouts on here"? are you some sort of scout leader or something? please explain.

AGAIN, please post how you've come to the conclusion that "Greg has always been an unethical individual"........care to enlighten us, please do so......How is he that way, you talk as if you know him personally(which we all know YOU DON'T),but for arguements sake, have you hung around Greg since childhood to have led to that conclusion? Please explain.....


Remember when he chased down Jaques Boyer in the worlds becuase he didnt want him to win? He said it was because "He thought Boyer had said some things about him in french during an interview but he didnt know what they were."


I don't recall this, it could've happened, but I don't recall this. Do you happen to have said interview where Greg supposedly said this? if so, we'd love to see it please. (It's probably filed along with your "Lemond Doped too" paperwork/proof/evidence" so be sure to check that file too)


When i read that I realized he was fundamentally paranoid and still is. When we look at the long list of dopers that have been caught by uci and wada for lemond to say they are not doing their job is a joke.


Try to follow along here....LeMond commented on the SHODDY job UCI did in covering up Wonderboys positives, and all out doping history, thats not doing your job as you claim, that's them doing nothing, and allowing it to happen. it was only AFTER a federal investigation, that they "suddenly" decided to do 'their job". So, AGAIN, please stop babbling on about stuff you obviously know NOTHING about.

Lemond is whining about the UCI what about his buddy travis at USADA?


What about him? please explain.......AGAIN, do you happen to have insider info on Mr. Tygart that we don't, or anyone else doesn't?

If we want to talk about incompetence lets put that horse in the right stable...where in the hell was Tygart the hundreds of times that LA competed in the usa?

He was trying to BUST Wonderboy, but LA was always one step ahead of him to NOT get caught.

Not to mention levi hincpaie and the dozens of others of whom NONE usada caught..

Umm...hundreds? do you have the list of those guys?

Why werent they doing their job? I am truly upset that they let a cheat like armstrong and all the others get away with that and they did let him.

I'm not even sure what you're saying here. You're mad because they let Wonderboy go all this time, and yet you bring up UNFACTUAL, UNSUBSTANTIATED BS about LeMond?

I'm still not sure I understand completely what it is you're saying.



Meanwhile where is greg?


He issued a statement, you must've missed it.

Where are his complaints about their incompetence? He doesnt want THAT job ;-)

Yep, it's now confirmed: You're a nonsensical, blabbermouth who just goes on and on about nothing. Let me try to spell it out for the folks in the cheap seats, Greg has been complaining about UCI(and other agencies) for YEARS, to no effect.

why sint greg whining about wada? he doesnt want that job... The uci is a governing body not a testing body. Lemond knows this so why is he crowing so loudly? He wants the job but methinks he protesteth too much. His other teamate Fignon was a known doper. Lemond set a record speed for a time trial beating fignon who admitted he was doping after! Yet Greg somehow miracoulously won by nealry towe seconds a kilometer!!!unbleivable!


Yep, you sir are completely BUTTHURT. Too much "I hate Lemond" on the breath, it's cool. But your obsession isn't healthy, may I suggest a bike ride for you.



Hinault was famous for his steroid induced road rage

Really? where is the documentation for this supposed "famous roid rage" you keep yammering on about? AGAIN, please post it.


but greg who beat them both was a boy scout?


See answer above........POST IT, or IT DIDNT HAPPEN.



are you idiots???


No, but apparently YOU are.


Raimundas was the ONLY OTHER RIDER who placed third coming from nowhere and the uci was critical of him and he was caught(once again they did the job they have done all along)the world is populated with true believers but sorry guys your idol is made of brass...not gold...There is nothing Lemond can or would do that would make thing s any better.


(for the 6th time), PLEASE POST ANY CREDIBLE source claiming LeMond doped? MUST BE FACTUAL PROOF from a CREDIBLE source, not your dog.

This isnt hyperbole,..its a simple fact...Lemond is a liar. His performances "out" him clearly


I think YOU are the only "Liar" here........We await your whimsical retort(I hope it includes the said :"proof/evidence" on LeMond doping, as you've mentioned here about a half a dozen times).
 
Kennf1 said:
It's funny how the Lemond accusers always forget one important fact: since 2001, Armstrong had virtually unlimited resources to dig up dirt on Lemond to attempt a smear campaign. Despite his network of lawyers, fellow riders, business partners, and former coaches, he came up with nothing...

i would love to have been a fly on that wall when it was reported back to armstrong: "um...boss, sorry, boss, um...we can't find anyone who says lemond doped."

imagine armstrong realizing 1) that he had nothing he could use against lemond and 2) that lemond had done something 3 times that he could not even come close to achieving without cheating and doping.

that must have made him feel completely inadequate.
 
Albatros said:
It must really hurt you ...

Enough with the personal attacks. C'mon now. Let's see it.

You stated in plain English that Lemond doped. What are your specific claims how Lemond doped? Over what time periods? What drugs? What doctor?

I'm as open to the possibility that Lemond doped. I need some facts to test your argument. For someone who believes Lemond doped, you seem to be lacking quite a bit of substance in that area.
 
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skimazk said:
Andrew has a point... by clinic standerds LeMond is just as suspicious as the rest of them...

Tour 1989
1 Greg LeMond (USA) ADR-Agrigel-Bottechia 87h 38' 35"
2 Laurent Fignon (FRA) Super U +0' 08" doping
3 Pedro Delgado (ESP) Reynolds-Banesto +3' 34" doping
4 Gert-Jan Theunisse (NED) PDM +7' 30" doping

5 Marino Lejarreta (ESP) Paternina-Marco-Equizabal +9' 39"
6 Charly Mottet (FRA) RMO-Mavic-Liberia +10' 06" doping
7 Steven Rooks (NED) PDM +11' 10" Doping

8 Raúl Alcalá (MEX) PDM +14' 21"
9 Sean Kelly (IRE) PDM +18' 25" Doping
10 Robert Millar (GBR) Z +18' 46" Doping


so he would be 9,39 faster than lejarreta and 18,25 min faster than alcala, the only 2 others in the top 10 not linked to dopeing...

or all of them could be clean because whatever they were using in the 80 it wasn't much in the ways of performance enhancing. I don't think any of those used epo(yet)
 
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Kennf1 said:
It's funny how the Lemond accusers always forget one important fact: since 2001, Armstrong had virtually unlimited resources to dig up dirt on Lemond to attempt a smear campaign. Despite his network of lawyers, fellow riders, business partners, and former coaches, he came up with nothing.

And yet, certain people are convinced he doped (with what, they can't expain) because he was a strong rider. Since age 16.

That's because Lemond was a gentleman and was liked by virtually everyone he rode with, the exception being his falling out with Hinault. His mechanic Julien deVries fed a lot of information about Armstrong and USPS to Lemond over the years. Word has it that dV was disgusted by the Lance/Johan show, but played ball, as most did at the time, because the pay was good. I wonder what dV might be willing to swear to now and what he knows. Perhaps he and Lemond have already had a talk.:D