"another interesting piece I found on the UCI and president Pat McQuaid " Thread

[Dr. Maserati]

There is a Carrick click I notice that thinks "cycling needs to move on"

I think behind it all is the pyramid scheme that protects King Kelly and all those that profited by association etc. including bike shops.

Is it the Carrick click?
One of the board members is Jack Watson, and he had this to say a couple of weeks ago:

"People should remember what he has done for cycling around the world," suggests Jack Watson, honorary secretary of Cycling Ireland and a board member. "It's booming in Ireland, in Britain, in Asia, in South Africa, and that is in no small measure down to Pat McQuaid. He has done an awful lot of good."

The old "cycling is booming" line doesnt really stack up.
As a recreation activity and mode of transport - sure, cycling is booming (which has nothing to do with the UCI or McQuaid), but that has transferred little to people taking up the sport.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Is it the Carrick click?
One of the board members is Jack Watson, and he had this to say a couple of weeks ago:


The old "cycling is booming" line doesnt really stack up.
As a recreation activity and mode of transport - sure, cycling is booming (which has nothing to do with the UCI or McQuaid), but that has transferred little to people taking up the sport.

Growth in cycling is television viewers, not participants. Television viewers equals revenue.

Cycling is growing. Always.

Just repeat that untli you see things pat's way.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Growth in cycling is television viewers, not participants. Television viewers equals revenue.

Cycling is growing. Always.

Just repeat that untli you see things pat's way.

They didnt say what the "boom" was in, but I would bet that the highlighted above is not true. I would say globally, numbers are falling.

Also, the UCI have zero to do with TV revenue - with the exception of events they run, The Worlds & the mickey mouse races they are trying to get going in China.

 

[ruamruam]

Cycling Ireland's board are voting this evening in whether to re-nominate McQuaid for UCI President. According to the report below it is divided on whether to nominate him or not.

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-...-key-vote-on-pat-mcquaid-future-of-the-sport/

I have attached the contact details for each member of Cycling Ireland below. I am sure they would appreciate an email letting them know how you feel about the vote tonight.

Honorary President
Rory Wyley
Email: rjwyley@hotmail.com

Honorary Secretary
Jack Watson
Email: jackwatson@onetel.com

Honorary Treasurer
Sam McArdle
Email: sam2002ire@gmail.com

Honorary Vice-President
Anthony Moran
Email: anto.moran@gmail.com

Directors:
Denis Toomey
Email: dmtoomey@yahoo.com

John Horgan
Email: johnhorgan72@gmail.com

Senan Turnbull
Email: senanturnbull@gmail.com

Vern Power
Email: Vern_power@hotmail.com

 

[DirtyWorks]

They didnt say what the "boom" was in, but I would bet that the highlighted above is not true. I would say globally, numbers are falling.

We have so little facts to work with the best I can do is agree to disagree.

Also, the UCI have zero to do with TV revenue - with the exception of events they run, The Worlds & the mickey mouse races they are trying to get going in China.

Not true. A promoter may own a race, but it's been suggested part of making your event World Cup (or whatever they call it) is signing broadcast rights over to the UCI. We know for sure that the IOC divides Games revenues up based on broadcast ratings.

 

[Basecase]

McQ nominated by CI

https://twitter.com/IreCyclingFed/status/322842774250610690

https://twitter.com/IreCyclingFed/status/322843142971858944

 

[martinvickers]

We have so little facts to work with the best I can do is agree to disagree.



Not true. A promoter may own a race, but it's been suggested part of making your event World Cup (or whatever they call it) is signing broadcast rights over to the UCI. We know for sure that the IOC divides Games revenues up based on broadcast ratings.

DW, do we have to go through this again?

 

[D-Queued]

McQ nominated by CI

https://twitter.com/IreCyclingFed/status/322842774250610690

https://twitter.com/IreCyclingFed/status/322843142971858944

Fail.

Dave.

 

[northstar]

12/04/2013
Press Release

At its Board meeting on the 12th of April, the Board of Cycling Ireland agreed to the nomination request from Pat McQuaid for the President of the UCI.

The Board requested that Pat McQuaid would raise with the UCI Management Committee certain concerns on governance issues which they would consider for tabling at the 2013 UCI Congress. The specific issues are:

1. An independent review of the system of internal controls and processes at the UCI, with the findings to be published and the recommendations implemented.

2. Engagement with Stakeholders to re-write the existing Governance Code and the Code of Ethics, as set out in the Constitution of the UCI.

3. The following proposals are to be put forward to UCI Management Committee for tabling at the 2013 Congress at:
a. A limitation on the period for which a president or vice president can serve in the UCI as follows effective after the 2013 Congress:
i. The maximum number of two four year terms.
ii. No president, vice president or management committee member can serve the UCI for more than 16 years in total over their life time, in any capacity (paid, voluntary or other).
b. That co-opted management committee members are permitted to vote on all matters which management committee members are entitled to vote.


So McQuaid is nominated with some light-weight conditions attached. Very disappointing action by Cycling Ireland. It's probably a given he will win the election. Little chance for change in governance now. Big fail cycling.
.

 

[DirtyWorks]

...So McQuaid is nominated with some light-weight conditions attached. Very disappointing action by Cycling Ireland. It's probably a given he will win the election. Little chance for change in governance now. Big fail cycling.
.

He's busting his @zz 7 hours a day for cycling. What are you doing? Why do you hate cycling?

More seriously, I'm not sure what you guys are thinking. Members DO NOT determine the direction of the UCI.

 

[skippy]

My comment to Velonation :

" SHAME ON CYCLING IRELAND ! Condemning the Sport of Cycling to another 4 years of " SSDD " , deserves derision from the Worldwide Cycling Community ! " Consider " ? CONSIDER ? Only consideration phat mc splat will do , is to consider how he can pay the Board of Cycling Ireland down , for attempting to restrain his efforts to drag Cycling Sport , through more controversy ! Those who are members of Cycling Ireland , need to start voting with their feet , REMOVE ALL this current Board and show the Worldwide Community that YOU are unhappy with this derisory decision . IS THERE STILL TIME FOR AN " EGM "? If so bring it on , DUMP the Board and ELECT those that can reverse this decision ! "

My tweet to Jaimie Fuller for CCN etc :

skippy mc carthy ‏@skippydetour 3m
@jaimiefuller See my comment there and on http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=15417&page=25 … Is there time for an " EGM " so that " Members " can reverse this traversty "

People here could raise $92+k for the defense of Paul Kimmage , so why can't WE ALL WORK TOGETHER and see this " one finger salute " to World Wide Cycling overturned ?

There are enough " clinic Members " claiming Irish Location and Heretage that feel , as Ashamed as i do , at the PATHETIC non binding strings floated on a sea of sceptism last night .

The majority of Irish Voting Members , must be SICKENED by the pathetic behaviour of their " Board "!

If that " Cycling Board board " has the same composition at the next AGM, there will be no hope for youngsters to follow the likes of Deignan , Martin & Roche !

 

[northstar]

He's busting his @zz 7 hours a day for cycling. What are you doing? Why do you hate cycling?

More seriously, I'm not sure what you guys are thinking. Members DO NOT determine the direction of the UCI.

Yeah, you’re right. Being a UCI member is not going to affect the election outcome. But there were eight CI board members that could have voted for a change in leadership. They chose to maintain the status quo. After the election in the fall, McQ (and Verbruggen) could be in charge of cycling until 2017. It’s a joke.

I don’t hate cycling, I hate cycling’s crooked politics.

 

[manafana]

Hes not back in yet feeling for McQuaid in france, holland and italy isnt great they have more of a say than ireland ever will, but disappointed we just let him have our backing despite the feeling of actual members been a resounding no.

Boom in cycling has been hugely to do with bike to work scheme, guys buying road bikes, keeping it up and going for something else.

 

[gooner]

No surprise really. The Giro coming to Ireland and Darach McQuaid's role in it was a nice sweetener to them I say.

I want McQuaid booted out as much as anyone else around here but even if he was to removed, who would then be deemed as an acceptable realistic alternative. Brian Cookson's name has been thrown about in circles but he has constantly said Wiggins is a proven 100% clean winner of the Tour and can't say it enough times for himself either. He has also given huge backing to McQuaid in recent months. What's to say the same thing that happened with McQuaid and Verbruggen wouldn't happen with him due to his closeness to the British cycling/Sky scene which may compromise him in any future controversy. And has the testing been taking away from the UCI to an independent testing agency yet? McQuaid's time is certainly up but the issues run deeper than him and everything isn't all of a sudden rosy in the garden if his removal came about either.

And then we hear Jamie Fuller coming out saying he wanted a meeting with the Cycling Ireland president to influence the process and said he was disappointed when he was refused one. What gives him the right to stick his nose in the affairs of an international cycling federation when he has no right to be given a mandate or platform to do so? The refusal by Cycling Ireland in this would of been done by any other country's federation if he followed suit in the same manner of his behaviour there. I have huge respect for some of the individuals of the Change Cycling Now group and they can rightly can go public and criticise the decision of Cycling Ireland to put McQuaid forward again but they cannot get riled up whatsoever about not having the right to influence the whole decision making process in Cycling Ireland in all this.

 

[pmcg76]

Is it the Carrick click?
One of the board members is Jack Watson, and he had this to say a couple of weeks ago:


The old "cycling is booming" line doesnt really stack up.
As a recreation activity and mode of transport - sure, cycling is booming (which has nothing to do with the UCI or McQuaid), but that has transferred little to people taking up the sport.

Cycling IS most definitely booming in Ireland, I don't think I have ever seen so many cyclist's around. There are now 5-6 clubs in our county when previously there was one.

I remember going out on Sunday spins with our club and there would be between 10-20 most weeks. Now there is 3 different groups out every Sunday with that amount in each group and more. This has been replicated all over Ireland. Cycling currently is the new golf in Ireland

In saying that, Pat McQuaids influence on that would be miniscule if not downright non-existent. The bike-to-work scheme had a huge part in that as did the recession as people tend to be less superficial now and have more time on their hands to burn off the Celtic tiger excesses.

 

[DirtyWorks]

No surprise really. The Giro coming to Ireland and Darach McQuaid's role in it was a nice sweetener to them I say.

I want McQuaid booted out as much as anyone else around here but even if he was to removed, who would then be deemed as an acceptable realistic alternative. Brian Cookson's name has been thrown about

Cookson is good. UCI management committee member and he made it rain Sky money and tows the doping line. But, this is up to Hein.

I have huge respect for some of the individuals of the Change Cycling Now group and they can rightly can go public and criticise the decision of Cycling Ireland to put McQuaid forward again but they cannot get riled up whatsoever about not having the right to influence the whole decision making process in Cycling Ireland in all this.

Right. Because the UCI is not interested in a plausibly transparent sport or a member-led organization.

I think maybe CCN needs to fashion a more transparent member-lead international federation (representative democracy??) from the national independents. I know it's not cool or going to fix anything right away, but it's laying the groundwork for a believable, cleaner pro sport.

As it is, a number of highly-ranked events will be demoted again to make room for more ASO/RCS produced events. So, there will be plenty of historic events available to make the switch going forward.

 

[RobFowl]

The bottom line was not enough CI members got off their arses and contacted the board to express opposition. The total number was in the 20's (1 was supportive).
Easy for prople to tweet and post but when it cam to heading to the AGM (as I did) or contact the board they couldn't be f*cking bothered.
Not a great day to be a member of CI and seems that when it comes down to the crunch actually putting your name to a submission was a step too far for 95% plus.
The board cannot use it as an excuse though, bizarre and frankly embarrasing decision.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Probably so, but that doesn't mean anyone in their right mind should think Pat would be a good pick for a third term or can be trusted. Or that the UCI should continue to operate the way they have. The whole thing still just reeks like a heaping pile of pungent excrement along the lines of US Congress.

 

[DirtyWorks]

The bottom line was not enough CI members got off their arses and contacted the board to express opposition. The total number was in the 20's (1 was supportive).
Easy for prople to tweet and post but when it cam to heading to the AGM (as I did) or contact the board they couldn't be f*cking bothered.

Exactly how it is Hein and Pat will continue on "growing" cycling. Nothing is changing inside the federation.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.3wiresports.com/2013/04/13/armstrongs-2001-swiss-tour-no-cover-up-suspicious-tests/

McQuaid is desperate.

he knew Armstrong had multiple "Highly suspicious" tests but still took a "Donation", attacked anyone who told the truth, and interfered with USADA for months

 

[Race Radio]

This is just the start....

USADA, copied on the letter, concerned with what it called “numerous inaccuracies and misstatements,” issued a seven-page response on Friday, signed by general counsel William Bock III.

The USADA response: if UCI officials had “strong evidence” way back in 2001 that Armstrong was using synthetic EPO, why didn’t they do something about it then?

To that end, the USADA reply includes a “short list” of 10 “new concerns” and a request for seven buckets of new information relating to Armstrong tests for the years 1999-2010.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Yeah McQuaid is good at opening his mouth (writing a letter / release) in an attempt to clear things up or explain things, and making the situation far worse.

And to think he employed a PR company to help handle the USADA fall-out...

 

[DirtyWorks]

Yeah McQuaid is good at opening his mouth (writing a letter / release) in an attempt to clear things up or explain things, and making the situation far worse.

And to think he employed a PR company to help handle the USADA fall-out...

I believe the"PR Company" was a guy who runs a popular Irish cycling website. Everything appears about the same though, using this news as an example. So, whatever help was hired certainly isn't reaching the public.

The reverence to the 2001 tests is more deflection. If there's a coverup, it happened with the red-hot circa 2009 comeback samples. Finally, they are defining the term "coverup" in such a way as to pretend to exclude Saugy meeting Armstrong to explain tests.

The next step is Pat says nothing about it ever again.

You have to give some respect to Wonderboy. He had the doping *just* up to the positive threshold, but never across. That was some program.

 

[MarkvW]

I believe the"PR Company" was a guy who runs a popular Irish cycling website. Everything appears about the same though, using this news as an example. So, whatever help was hired certainly isn't reaching the public.

The reverence to the 2001 tests is more deflection. If there's a coverup, it happened with the red-hot circa 2009 comeback samples. Finally, they are defining the term "coverup" in such a way as to pretend to exclude Saugy meeting Armstrong to explain tests.

The next step is Pat says nothing about it ever again.

You have to give some respect to Wonderboy. He had the doping *just* up to the positive threshold, but never across. That was some program.

Ferrrai knows his dope.

 

[Irish2009]

As PMCG76 said the current boom in cycling in Ireland has nothing to do with McQuaid and has everything to do with the "Bike to Work" , the current economic recession and the hard work being done by people at club level. The main growth in the past few years is in riders who ride sportives, and this has had a knock on effect in increased numbers racing.

While the Board may have supported McQuiad I have no doubt that is it had come to a vote at an egm he would have not got the support of the clubs as there is hugh negative feeling towards him at club level and a general disgust that he has been nominated.

My own personal opinion is that while many accusations have been made about McQuaid , few have yet been proved beyond doubt(however I belive many of them to be true). The fact that there are so many differing reasons why his reign as UCI president will be forever associated with the greatest doping scandal in sporting history is enough reason to not have him presiding over our sport a minute longer

However he has now been nominated and there is little we in Ireland can do about it. It's now up to the rest of the world to but up an alternative candidate for the Presidancy, lets see how good you do.............