"another interesting piece I found on the UCI and president Pat McQuaid " Thread

[the big ring]

This was post Stage 11 of the 2009 Giro.

There's a full shot and they're actually shaking hands. I sent it to a mate at the time and called it "Conspiracy theory". 2 months later Di Luca's CERA positive(s) from the Giro were announced.

2 months.

My bad - this is actually the tour director, not fat pat, clearly.

 

[DirtyWorks]

and what about Marianne Vos WINKING at the slug Pat McQuaid..when he presented her with the gold medal.

I don't know. Vos crushes her competition pretty much year-round. Not enough money in Women's cycling for Pat to have an investment, or a female rider able to afford a UCI vig.

 

[Benotti69]

I don't know. Vos crushes her competition pretty much year-round. Not enough money in Women's cycling for Pat to have an investment, or a female rider able to afford a UCI vig.

Does that mean Vos is not paying the vig herself. She is Merckx-like in a modern era where all the top atheltes would have the same access to sports science, but some might not be able to afford the 'truly top' sport science if you know what i mean.

Vos reminds me of Longo.

Cooke was dominant when she was working with Bartalucci, but she is not working with him anymore AFAIK.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Vos reminds me of Longo.

Vos is a freak of nature. In the good sense of the word.

 

[Cloxxki]

Vos is a freak of nature. In the good sense of the word.

I tend to agree. This has never disqualified anyone from doping anyways of course, as more can be gained by dope than by being more talented than the second guy. In women's racing though, with the low attendance, just the elites, no amateur/master cats to mention... The difference between the Merckx type of her era and the second most priviledged lady, could be quite substantial. If all at once Vos were to be beated, with room to spare, at her personal specialties, I'd be worried about the lady who does it.
A bit like Yvonne van Gennep did in 1988 to the unbeatable East-Germans. Coming from a terrible injury. Being busy with multiple docs to try and get fit. Preparing for high-altitude racing. EPO was in all the medical journals, somewhat available, but only used by few. She came to Calgary, set world records, and went home with 3 golds. Germans were baffled, they had done nothing wrong.
Such a moment may happen to Vos before she's over the hill. For now, I see her are the best ever. Maybe in a Gunda Niemand kind of way. Consistent. Strong. But, Marianne is more refined. Really rides her bike well. She must, to ride through the sand like she did at Worlds recently.

 

[Stueyy]

McQuaid sitting with David Cameron and the royals at the track cycling and just loved his love for Wiggins at the time trail medal presentation. He's just so slimy...

 

[Cycle Chic]

McQuaid puts his size 15's in it Again

'Huge gains in cycling will always be met with suspicion of doping because of the sport's sordid history, but UCI president Pat McQuaid is confident that the programme is clean and that it is its philosophy of pursuing marginal gains which has led to its success - up to and including the Tour de France win and Olympic gold by Bradley Wiggins, and now more gold on the track.'

Pat McQuaid must be seriously dim...trotting out the Sky motto just emphasizes the 'all in it together' routine.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/marginal-gains-bear-fruit-for-great-britain-in-olympics

 

[thehog]

McQuaid sitting with David Cameron and the royals at the track cycling and just loved his love for Wiggins at the time trail medal presentation. He's just so slimy...

"So Patrick that Lawrence Armstrong chap, was he really having some extra Pimms with fruit during the races?"

"David, cycling is very clean. No Pimms whatsoever. I'm really not sure why his own country is chasing him. You'll make sure this would never happen to the Team GB? It would be very poor in terms of re-re-election for yourself for example. Keep the public sporting giddy and they'll vote for the government"

 

[Oldman]

"So Patrick that Lawrence Armstrong chap, was he really having some extra Pimms with fruit during the races?"

"David, cycling is very clean. No Pimms whatsoever. I'm really not sure why his own country is chasing him. You'll make sure this would never happen to the Team GB? It would be very poor in terms of re-re-election for yourself for example. Keep the public sporting giddy and they'll vote for the government"

"Voting...yes, er..ahem. What a novel idea Patick. How is that going in the colonies?"

 

[D-Queued]

'Huge gains in cycling will always be met with suspicion of doping because of the sport's sordid history, but UCI president Pat McQuaid is confident that the programme is clean and that it is its philosophy of pursuing marginal gains which has led to its success - up to and including the Tour de France win and Olympic gold by Bradley Wiggins, and now more gold on the track.'

Pat McQuaid must be seriously dim...trotting out the Sky motto just emphasizes the 'all in it together' routine.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/marginal-gains-bear-fruit-for-great-britain-in-olympics

The track record is pretty consistent. Any time that Fat Pat comes out and denies doping, you know that he is trying to hide something big.

Dave.

 

[the big ring]

"There is a lot of cynicism of success of Team Sky. I think a lot of that is misguided," McQuaid said before the Games commenced.

"They have constant communication between their support personnel and the athletes: they have doctors, physiologists, psychologists, sports psychologists, psychiatrists, sports psychiatrists, kinesiologists, chiropractors, nutritionists, dieticians, even an acupuncturist. They are all there to support the athletes, to ensure they can perform at the highest level.

If that is a direct quote, Pat McQuaid has a VERY good memory.

 

[Mishrak]

In what way is that cynicism misguided Mr. McQuaid?

They show up and dominate cycling like the old US Postal team, whose members have either been found guilty of doping or are part of the USADA case, then Sky goes 1-2 in the TdF GC. Nevermind the unbelievable performances by Froome and the ridiculous climbing displays that tell us they had 3 or 4 guys on their team that could climb as good as (or better than) the other GC contendors. I think the only performance that didn't surprise us was Cavendish's stage wins.

And if that wasn't enough, they win Gold in the ITT by crushing the field, and setting track records in the qualifier. They actually looked a bit human in the road race, but that was more because they were only allowed 5 riders, 1 of which wasn't doing any work (Cav). No nation has dominated a sport so convincingly that I can recall. Even the US Postal team wasn't stupid enough to try and win everything. I said this in the Sky thread, but if Froome is able to beat Contador in the Vuelta, I'll eat my handlebar tape. That would just be uncalled for.

I get the impression that McQuaid doesn't understand the sport he's supposed to be managing.

"Because it is when an athlete goes into a little ravine and he's trying to climb out that he considers a doping programme."

That's not true at all. At least in cycling, if the rest of the peleton is doping, you can't keep up if you're not also doping. Is he just pretending to be ignorant, or is he choosing to sound ignorant on purpose? Surely he knows this.

 

[Franklin]

Um, he's basically saying there is reason for criticism. He doesn't say there is no reason, of that most of it is missguided. No, just "a lot".

Pat should be flogged for this by both sides of the discussion. Unless he has something meanigful to say he should stay out. If I were Brailsford I would be livid.

 

[D-Queued]

If that is a direct quote, Pat McQuaid has a VERY good memory.

Odd that he forgot about the blood centrifuge, though.

Dave.

 

[the big ring]

Odd that he forgot about the blood centrifuge, though.

Dave.

I'm guessing Pat was reading from a script given the list of ad-hoc team personnel roles mentioned; and especially the ravine bit. He doesn't use visual language like that, but a sports psychologist might use such visual language.

 

[Franklin]

I'm guessing Pat was reading from a script given the list of ad-hoc team personnel roles mentioned; and especially the ravine bit. He doesn't use visual language like that, but a sports psychologist might use such visual language.

If you think Pat is dumb you are misstaken. You don't become head of UCI without very good negotiating skills and a tremendous memory.

 

[D-Queued]

If you think Pat is dumb you are misstaken. You don't become head of UCI without very good negotiating skills and a tremendous memory.

Don't you mean without a hand-selected appointment directly by Hein?

Dave.

 

[the big ring]

If you think Pat is dumb you are misstaken. You don't become head of UCI without very good negotiating skills and a tremendous memory.

I think he's corrupt. I also think he's made such a mess of almost everything he's ever said in the media that to get it so right, so perfect (assuming they did not edit the heck out of this particular piece), and the language used (esp. "ravine") that he is essentially parroting what he has been told (to say) or reading it from a script. Or are the Sky marginal gains rubbing off on Pat's public speaking too.

Getting into a position of power does not take (what I consider to be intelligence / IQ). Has almost nothing to do with intelligence. It's luck and connections and a certain ruthlessness.

 

[D-Queued]

Pat has been around so long now, that perhaps this old news item needs to be inserted here.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2005/jul05/jul31news

Alarmed by what she saw as clear violations of the UCI Constitution, Schenk filed a complaint against the UCI with the International Olympic Committee's Ethics Commission in late June about Pat McQuaid's current status with the UCI. Head of the UCI's Road Commission, McQuaid is outgoing UCI President Hein Verbruggen's choice as a successor.

And, perhaps this one as well:

Schenk encourages independent investigation of UCI

"In addition, there is an unpleasant culture of gift-making. As far as concrete candidacies to host events are concerned, there is a framework of rules at the UCI, but other than that there was a great willingness to take gifts for granted. My former colleagues of the UCI management committee told me, for example, that after the nomination of McQuaid as successor to Hein Verbruggen they discovered a bottle of fine Irish whiskey in their hotel rooms. I hadn't voted for McQuaid so I didn't receive anything - but I don't drink whiskey anyway..."

Dave.

 

[blackcat]

candidacy, almost anagram of cadence

 

[sniper]

Does that mean Vos is not paying the vig herself. She is Merckx-like in a modern era where all the top atheltes would have the same access to sports science, but some might not be able to afford the 'truly top' sport science if you know what i mean.

Vos reminds me of Longo.

Cooke was dominant when she was working with Bartalucci, but she is not working with him anymore AFAIK.

The Dutch may have been among the first to professionalize (in the broad sense of the word ) women's road cycling.
This lady says hi.

the only one able to compete with a juiced-up longo.

Note also that Vos emerged during the Leinders era.
Also, recognized doper Blijlevens is running the program at Rabobank Women Cycling.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

UCI and McQuaid only in this thread, please. Further off-topic comments will be deleted.

Susan

 

[sniper]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/michael_mccann/08/03/Lance-Armstrong-UCI-USADA/

Tygart dancing in the ring like Muhammed Ali.

In a letter obtained by SI.com, USADA dismisses UCI's view of Landis's email, arguing that Landis's declarations are "just a small fragment of the evidence" and that UCI "abdicated any authority" to use the email when it "sue[d] Mr. Landis in Swiss court on account of that email." USADA also insists that it has several sources of authority, including U.S. law, giving USADA exclusive authority to test any U.S. Olympian or any athlete who participates in an Olympic event. USADA also points to USOC national anti-doping policies and UCI's own anti-doping rules and public statements for support.

UCI is not the first group to advocate on behalf of Armstrong's legal interests. Livestrong, a foundation started by Armstrong, recently began a lobbying campaign on Capitol Hill. In the view of USADA chief executive officer Travis Tygart, UCI's jurisdictional attack is another chapter in "a legacy of trying to cover up the truth." Tygart also characterizes UCI as partly motivated by self-interest, since the UCI did not act on blood samples that USADA claims implicate Armstrong. "Obviously," Tygart tells SI.com, "the United States Postal Service Cycling Team Doping Conspiracy happened under the watch of the UCI".

 

[the big ring]

Gold: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=13355

 

[Eyeballs Out]

I was watching the track cycling on the BBC feed yesterday and after one of the British victories (I think it was the team pursuit) the camera showed McQuaid chatting amiably with Brailsford with the microphone on for a few seconds. Unfortunately I wasn't recording but McQuaid says something like "as I was trying to explain yesterday" probably in reference to his public statement. Long shot, but did anyone else hear or record this ?