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In the medal presentations for the track women's pursuit Rick Pound has to stand beside McQuaid and had out the medals.

Somebody has to grab Rick and ask him for his opinion!
 
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Mishrak said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-claims-usada-has-no-jurisdiction-in-armstrong-case

"By our count, of the 21 podium finishers at the Tour de France during the period from 1999-2005, only a single rider other than Mr. Armstrong was not implicated in doping by a subsequent investigation," said Bock. "Yet, only a single one of these riders had a positive test with the UCI."


USADA punching the UCI in the face. Love it :)

I love it. Bock obviously saw my "Thick wall of dope" chart ;)
 
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BotanyBay said:
I love it. Bock obviously saw my "Thick wall of dope" chart ;)

Either that or USADA have their own team of mythbusters, getting together at night, a few beers, some popcorn, and of course a Clinic account. Great fun they must have!!
 
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sniper said:
Either that or USADA have their own team of mythbusters, getting together at night, a few beers, some popcorn, and of course a Clinic account. Great fun they must have!!

Wouldn't it be fantastic if this was the source of some of their information?:cool:
 
Well worth a reprint of this part of USADAs letter correspondence to the UCI:

Armstrong payment to the UCI

In the April 30, 2010, email from Floyd Landis to USA Cycling President Steve Johnson (that is referred to in both of your letters and discussed above) Mr. Landis alleged that while winning the Tour of Switzerland Mr. Armstrong “tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr. Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial arrangement with Mr. [Verbruggen] to keep the positive test hidden.”

As part of its investigation concerning alleged doping by Mr. Armstrong USADA met with Lausanne laboratory director Martial Saugy who confirmed various communications and meetings he claims to have had with UCI personnel, Johann Bruyneel and Lance Armstrong concerning EPO test results for a sample that Mr. Armstrong provided at the 2001 Tour of Switzerland. Mr. Saugy told USADA that representatives of UCI were aware of both the indication of EPO use from Mr. Armstrong’s 2001 Tour of Switzerland sample and of the meetings involving Dr. Saugy, Mr. Armstrong and Mr. Bruyneel.

In May 2011 Tyler Hamilton appeared on the 60 Minutes news program and stated Lance Armstrong had told him that Armstrong had a positive test for EPO at the 2001 Tour of Switzerland and that Hamilton was told that “Lance’s people and the people from the . . . governing body of the sport figured out— figured out a way for it to go away.”

In addition, USADA has reviewed statements attributed to you concerning the foregoing and Mr. Armstrong’s payments to the UCI and noted certain apparent inconsistencies. For instance, we understand that on May 23, 2010, you confirmed that Mr. Armstrong did make a payment to the UCI, stating:

The UCI received $100,000 from Lance Armstrong in 2005. Four years after this incident [the Tour of Switzerland] is supposed to have taken place. So they are completely separate. That money was given to the UCI to buy a Sysmex machine because we needed to go more into blood controls and we needed a Sysmex machine which cost something like $88,000. It was given to the UCI to buy that machine and the UCI is still using that machine at international events on a daily basis.

In your May 23, 2010, statement you apparently did not mention any meeting involving both Johan Bruyneel and Lance Armstrong and you relied upon an alleged four year gap between the 2001 Tour of Switzerland, (which took place from June 19 through June 28, 2001), and Mr. Armstrong’s 2005 payment to UCI as demonstrating the absence of a connection between Armstrong’s 2001 Tour of Switzerland test results and his subsequent payment to the UCI.

However, in a subsequent article, on May 25, 2010, you apparently conceded that a meeting with Mr. Bruyneel and Mr. Armstrong did take place at UCI headquarters less than a year after the 2001 Tour of Switzerland. We understand that you stated:

We are looking into it to be fully transparent, by the end of it we will have the full facts available. That will include the invoice of the Sysmex machine, when it was bought. My understanding, without having examined the full detail, is that during 2002 Lance Armstrong and Johan Bruyneel visited the UCI headquarters in Aigle. It had just opened in April 2002, it was some time after that. They got a guided tour of the centre. They were impressed by what they saw and Armstrong offered $100,000 to help the development of cycling. The UCI decided to use the money on a Sysmex machine, my understanding is that the machine cost around $88,000. We did nothing more about this until 2005 when it was realized that the money had not been paid by Armstrong. A phone call was made and the money came in.

The foregoing statement appears to be inconsistent with your earlier statement regarding the timing of the communications with Mr. Armstrong and concerning Mr. Bruyneel’s involvement. Also, you initially stated that there was only a single payment to UCI from Mr. Armstrong totaling $100,000.

However, you thereafter stated that Mr. Armstrong made two payments to the UCI. According to you, UCI received from Mr. Armstrong “in May 2002 . . . a personal cheque, signed by himself and his wife, for $25,000” and in 2005 a check for $100,000 “from his company CSE.”

Yet, in the arbitration between Mr. Armstrong and SCA Promotions, Mr. Armstrong was questioned regarding his payments to the UCI and provided responses inconsistent with your explanation. While Mr. Armstrong referenced various possible amounts of payments in his testimony, he ultimately testified that he may have made a payment or payments to the UCI totaling as much as $200,000 and that he may have made pledges of additional payments to the UCI. Therefore, Mr. Armstrong’s prior testimony under oath appears to conflict with your statements regarding the amount of the payments made by Armstrong, also indicating that he may have made additional promises of payments to the UCI.

Mr. Armstrong’s payments to the UCI create a further conflict of interest for the UCI. In addition, given that there exists evidence that the payments relate to evidence and claims in these very cases it is apparent that the UCI may be called upon to provide evidence in the eventual arbitration hearing. For this reason as well the UCI is foreclosed from participating in the results management of Mr. Armstrong’s case.
 
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PatMcQuaid said:
The UCI received $100,000 from Lance Armstrong in 2005. Four years after this incident [the Tour of Switzerland] is supposed to have taken place. So they are completely separate. That money was given to the UCI to buy a Sysmex machine because we needed to go more into blood controls and we needed a Sysmex machine which cost something like $88,000. It was given to the UCI to buy that machine and the UCI is still using that machine at international events on a daily basis.

Has the following inconsistency already been noted?:

Landis had spoken of a positive in TdS 2002 in his emails, so how did Pat know it was FOUR YEARS after 'the supposed incident'?
On my count, there are three years between 2002 and 2005.
 
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thehog said:
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Mr. Armstrong’s payments to the UCI create a further conflict of interest for the UCI. In addition, given that there exists evidence that the payments relate to evidence and claims in these very cases it is apparent that the UCI may be called upon to provide evidence in the eventual arbitration hearing. For this reason as well the UCI is foreclosed from participating in the results management of Mr. Armstrong’s case.

Lovely!
Where is this from? Has a link been posted already?
 
sniper said:
Has the following inconsistency already been noted?:

Landis had spoken of a positive in TdS 2002 in his emails, so how did Pat know it was FOUR YEARS after 'the supposed incident'?
On my count, there are three years between 2002 and 2005.

Landis said 2001 TdS.
 
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Thanks Hog:

Mr. Armstrong’s payments to the UCI create a further conflict of interest for the UCI. In addition, given that there exists evidence that the payments relate to evidence and claims in these very cases it is apparent that the UCI may be called upon to provide evidence in the eventual arbitration hearing. For this reason as well the UCI is foreclosed from participating in the results management of Mr. Armstrong’s case.

This isn't just an argument. It's a war. It means UCI not only wants the files, but they're also going to refuse to cooperate in this case (or any other that USADA brings in the future). The relationship is 100% dead. Not that it was particularly alive previously. But this also means that UCI will refuse to recognize anything that USADA does (or did).

So does this mean that Joe Papp is free to compete again (according to the UCI)? What allows the UCI to cherry pick which cases they think are unfair? If USADA has no jurisdiction in Armstrong's case, then they never had it in ANY case.

And this means that we need USAC to proclaim their loyalty to either one side or another. The battle lines are drawn and the players need to pick sides.
 
sniper said:
nope, he said 2002.

(thanks for the link btw!)

No. He said that Armstrong told him during a ride in 2002 that the year previous he (Armstrong) tested positive at the TdS. Armstrong did not ride the TdS in '02.

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2002: I was instructed on how to use Testosterone patches by Johan Bruyneel during the During the Dauphine Libere in June, after which I flew on a helicopter with Mr Armstrong from the finish, I believe Grenoble, to San Mauritz Switzerland at which point I was personally handed a box of 2.5 mg patches in front of his wife who witnessed the exchange. About a week later, Dr Ferrari performed an extraction of half a liter of blood to be transfused back into me during the Tour de France. Mr Armstrong was not witness to the extraction but he and I had lengthy discussions about it on our training rides during which time he also explained to me the evolution of EPO testing and how transfusions were now necessary due to the inconvenience of the new test. He also divulged to me at that time that in the first year that the EPO test was used he had been told by Mr Ferrari, who had access to the new test, that he should not use EPO anymore but he did not believe Mr Farrari and continued to use it. He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.
 
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thehog said:
No. He said that Armstrong told him during a ride in 2002 that the year previous he (Armstrong) tested positive at the TdS. Armstrong did not ride the TdS in '02.

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2002: I was instructed on how to use Testosterone patches by Johan Bruyneel during the During the Dauphine Libere in June, after which I flew on a helicopter with Mr Armstrong from the finish, I believe Grenoble, to San Mauritz Switzerland at which point I was personally handed a box of 2.5 mg patches in front of his wife who witnessed the exchange. About a week later, Dr Ferrari performed an extraction of half a liter of blood to be transfused back into me during the Tour de France. Mr Armstrong was not witness to the extraction but he and I had lengthy discussions about it on our training rides during which time he also explained to me the evolution of EPO testing and how transfusions were now necessary due to the inconvenience of the new test. He also divulged to me at that time that in the first year that the EPO test was used he had been told by Mr Ferrari, who had access to the new test, that he should not use EPO anymore but he did not believe Mr Farrari and continued to use it. He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.

then why did both LA and UCI feel the need to correct Landis:
Armstrong and the UCI both pointed out that he did not ride in the Tour de Suisse in 2002 http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5205849
Indeed, because they were pretending Floyd had claimed the positive related to 2002.
 
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thehog said:
No. He said that Armstrong told him during a ride in 2002 that the year previous he (Armstrong) tested positive at the TdS. Armstrong did not ride the TdS in '02.

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2002: I was instructed on how to use Testosterone patches by Johan Bruyneel during the During the Dauphine Libere in June, after which I flew on a helicopter with Mr Armstrong from the finish, I believe Grenoble, to San Mauritz Switzerland at which point I was personally handed a box of 2.5 mg patches in front of his wife who witnessed the exchange. About a week later, Dr Ferrari performed an extraction of half a liter of blood to be transfused back into me during the Tour de France. Mr Armstrong was not witness to the extraction but he and I had lengthy discussions about it on our training rides during which time he also explained to me the evolution of EPO testing and how transfusions were now necessary due to the inconvenience of the new test. He also divulged to me at that time that in the first year that the EPO test was used he had been told by Mr Ferrari, who had access to the new test, that he should not use EPO anymore but he did not believe Mr Farrari and continued to use it. He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.

Here in bold, he says it, doesn't he? At least, that's what anyone, including Pat of course, would read.
And which is of course what both LA and UCI imediately pointed out:
Armstrong and the UCI both pointed out that he did not ride in the Tour de Suisse in 2002 http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5205849

So if Landis claimed something had happened, and McQuaid thought that claim related to 2002, then how did McQuaid end up stating a FOUR YEAR gap?
 
To the legal beagles out there, while damning, does this statement by Floyd potentially constitute hearsay?

thehog said:
... He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.

Dave.
 
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sniper said:
Here in bold, he says it, doesn't he? At least, that's what anyone, including Pat of course, would read.
And which is of course what both LA and UCI imediately pointed out:


So if Landis claimed something had happened, and McQuaid thought that claim related to 2002, then how did McQuaid end up stating a FOUR YEAR gap?

McQuaid made some really fatal flubs in his recollection of the sysmex machine and the payments. I remember them like they were yesterday. And now it makes perfect sense as to why he's playing Obi-wan Kenobi and saying that "These are not the droids you're looking for". His only hope is to flip-on the reality distortion field and hope it works.
 
sniper said:
Here in bold, he says it, doesn't he? At least, that's what anyone, including Pat of course, would read.

Nope. You are forgetting about the bolded section below.

He also divulged to me at that time that in the first year that the EPO test was used he had been told by Mr Ferrari, who had access to the new test, that he should not use EPO anymore but he did not believe Mr Farrari and continued to use it. He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.
 
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Can someone please post McQuaid's email address? I saw it somewhere in the exchange of emails between he and Tygart. I can't seem to find it again.

I have a few words I want to say to Pat.

Thanks in advance.
 
BotanyBay said:
Can someone please post McQuaid's email address? I saw it somewhere in the exchange of emails between he and Tygart. I can't seem to find it again.

I have a few words I want to say to Pat.

Thanks in advance.

Can someone start one of those petition letters that we can all sign?

Something like:

Pat McQuaid
President UCI

Dear Mr. McQuaid

We, the undersigned members of the cycling community many of whom are UCI license holders, are fundamentally offended by the willful misrepresentation and outright negligence of the UCI to protect the sport of cycling by its assertion of authority for which it has no claim or precedence in the Lance Armstrong doping case.

The many public statements from yourself and your predecessor Hein Verbruggen, along with publicly accessible testimony from various legal actions, represent a clear and decades long conflict of interest with this case and with this athlete in particular. Moreover, the establishment of WADA, and subsequently the USADA, were a direct result of the lack of anti-doping protection from the UCI itself.

The Festina affair underscored to all sports and all athletes that their international governing bodies have a fundamental conflict of interest and are incapable of policing themselves. The culture of organized doping in cycling that Hein Verbruggen affirmed through testimony in that case continues to be supported by actions such as this most recent action from the UCI.

We demand that the UCI retract its letter claiming authority over the USADA immediately.

We further demand that you, Pat McQuaid, resign from your current position and that the UCI uphold its fundamental governing requirements in selecting a successor.

We are tired of having our sport tainted by its own governing body. In the decade and a half since the Festina affair, we demand that the UCI now actually do something about the doping plague in the sport and cease all disruptive actions in this case.

Dave.
 
D-Queued said:
We are tired of having our sport tainted by its own governing body. In the decade and a half since the Festina affair, we demand that the UCI now actually do something about the doping plague in the sport and cease all disruptive actions in this case.

Dave.

Pat and Thom Weisel wouldn't wipe their @sses with it much less do anything about it. This doesn't stop at Pat's office. That's clear.

Target the IOC. That's the right place to apply some pressure.
 
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D-Queued said:
Can someone start one of those petition letters that we can all sign?
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Acually when I just got up I was so ****ed off by the news that I tried to send MacQuaid a similar e-mail (just not as well-phrased as yours). USADA has his address as Pat.MacQuaid@uci.ch, but my mail couldn't be delivered to that address. I just send it to admin@uci instead.

Surely DirtyWorks is right that MacQuaid won't even read the mail - but even if the admin comes to think about what kind of ****ed-up organisation he's working for, I feel like I did something good.
Of course targeting the IOC in addition might help but I'd sign a petition to the UCI right away, too.