2beeDammed said:Not sure about a lack of respect. It all comes down to conciousness. For example a pig is only concerned about food and shelter, if these requirements are met then that's about all the animal wants and life is goodhe has not developed 'conciousness'.Unlike you and I we are 'concious'.For instance,we have plans for our life and plans for tomorrow (the pig does not). So if I sneak up behind a well fed and housed happy pig and bang him on the head, then as far as the pig is concerned life was great, he never knew his fate. So IMO there would be no moral issue and no issue of respect for the animal.
Clearly Unstable said:Who said I don't respect animals? I didn't get the memo that if you kill/eat and animal you don't respect it. I do weep for broccoli though
Cannibals taste just like chicken I bet.
What's in the animals I eat? Frequently a bullet or lead/iron pellets.
Is this going to turn into a "it's mean to eat meat" thread now? If so I'll need to get a burger to eat while I read the hand wringing.
Hangdog98 said:Me? not avoiding meat. The more meat I eat the healthier and lighter I get. Plants make me fart and bloat me. Hey, why can't I buy a can of "Tuna-safe Dolphin" anywhere?
The diet choice argument always degenerates into an entertaining morality issue over whether or not it's OK to kill and eat animals. Bears have no such discussions. Me, as a mammal, and an inhabitant of my natural habitat, I eat other living things, be they animals or plants. Choosing which living things you devour based on some moral construct is much like relying on religion to make your decisions. I prefer Darwin's natural order of things where the strong survive (by eating the weak I presume) and I prefer not to mess with it or I might cause Global Warming or a Tsunami.
Clearly Unstable said:Archmister, You're making the all to common mistake of making assumptions. You have NO idea where I get my meat from now do you?
I don't eat chicken-Mc-crap. My beef is local grass fed/hormone free and the chicken/turkey is small farm free range. All is processed either on the farm or a couple miles away. And I certainly know WFT is going on to a large extent with the animals I kill myself.
Moral of post: Don't make assumptions. They can make you look foolish.
Archibald said:I
the morality one is always interesting - how many folk have issues with dining on dog meat? It's just another form of animal meat, so should be fine. Same goes for cats or even dolphins. The funny part is, it is only the western world that has issues eating these three creatures.
Dolphins are readily available on the seafood shelves in Japan - ususally packaged as whale meat though. Search Youtube for Japanese Dolphin Hunt if you don't believe it.
Harvested properly, should it be an issue? It is definately the "proper harvesting" of any animal that is the main issue (I won't use "bone of contention") for those that take the moral ground for being vegitarian or vegan.
The rest just look at the heatlh aspect of such a lifestyle...
2beeDammed said:I eat Kangaroo at least once a week(Steak/Fillets). Very lean and great value. We feed mince Kangaroo to our 9 month old, again lean and organic by default and at 7.99 a kilo it's great value.
durianrider said:Good questions.
1. Why would I put up a photo of contador riding a cow with a 24 gauge in its rump when Ive riden with Contador? Well cos its funny for one and everyone appreciates a joke. Nobody is winning the TDF with out a good sense of humor. I pose with the pro's to gain ****y street cred so people might listen to me more when I say 'meat will clog your arteries, eat rice/pasta/bananas instead'.
2. Only 2 months till the ship? Well I know if I had water that I could fast for that long (world record is 367 days) and that I would risk death via injury or ecoli/listeria/stiga spore poisoning from eating the bovine. Besides, if there is a cow, there is edible plant foods for me too, so perhaps I would share the grass with the cow and say 'if you let me eat more grass then I will promise you a Contador signed photo of your friend with the 24 gauge in their rump..'![]()
Elegant Degenerate said:This thread has well and truly disappeared up its own ****.
Polyarmour said:You touch on an interesting point. Eating meat is largely cultural. In the west we eat chicken, beef, lamb, pork and that's about it. 4 specially bred animals. If it's not one of those 4 most of us aren't interested, now why is that?
I was watching a show the other day "Paul Mertons goes to China" and they served him up some dog at a local restaurant. He made such a fuss about it. Got up and walked out. Meat is meat isn't it. If you're a meat eater, get on with it.
In Australia we are infested with kangaroos but we won't eat them. Rabbits and foxes are everywhere, they get poisoned. We've got problems with water buffalo, camels and crocodiles but apart from the odd novelty restaurant, they don't make it to the average family dining table.
2beeDammed said:I to have been thinking about this (80/10/10) for a while and a couple of points I personally found needing some thought are. First, to reduce meal time to simply a process of 'consuming fuel' is kind of sad. Meal time for us is a time when the family sits down together, we share food and talk about our day. I am married with three small children and to sit down as a family to share blended bananas with my three and six year old daughters just wouldn't work. Dare I say that the ability to eat this diet is for people that don't have a family to share meals with ? Sure if I was single I would give it a go, as I'm married unless I could convince my wife to come along with me I doubt weather I would be willing to do it. Basically I bet that those who do this type of eating have no kids at home, have a partner that shares the passion for this style of eating and don't go out much for dinner.
The whole process of eating as a family unit is very important for childhood development. I have read studies that suggest simple things like turning the TV off at meal time and eating as a family unit have impacts on levels of childhood obesity.
Here's the thing about natural habitat. It doesn't matter what buildings or transport arrangements we currently have, the point is that we have made them, evolved this way, come to this by natural means. This is how we roll in our natural habitat at this particular moment. We're not above or unconnected to the animals of this earth, we share the place and participate in the evolutionary process which, at this moment, we are attempting to control. There will be signs of our existence just as ants make mounds and beavers make dams, but it is still our natural habitat and this is how we evolved.Archibald said:the laws of nature or your 'natural order' is fine, yet we're not exactly part of that any more are we? Can you really claim to be in a "natural" habitat in concrete and steel buildings? Or living in any form of harmony with nature while polluting and contributing to destroying the planet?
Tapeworm said:If it was a question of survival... you'd be on the menu.
Maybe with some fava beans.
2beeDammed said:I to have been thinking about this (80/10/10) for a while and a couple of points I personally found needing some thought are. First, to reduce meal time to simply a process of 'consuming fuel' is kind of sad. Meal time for us is a time when the family sits down together, we share food and talk about our day. I am married with three small children and to sit down as a family to share blended bananas with my three and six year old daughters just wouldn't work. Dare I say that the ability to eat this diet is for people that don't have a family to share meals with ? Sure if I was single I would give it a go, as I'm married unless I could convince my wife to come along with me I doubt weather I would be willing to do it. Basically I bet that those who do this type of eating have no kids at home, have a partner that shares the passion for this style of eating and don't go out much for dinner.
The whole process of eating as a family unit is very important for childhood development. I have read studies that suggest simple things like turning the TV off at meal time and eating as a family unit have impacts on levels of childhood obesity.