Armstrong Accuses LeMond of Doping!

[montel]

I have been involved in one way or another in the cycling industry since the 1980's and have met many who worked with GL, rode with GL, sponsored GL and were either friends or business associates, and I still have never heard a single whisper or rumor about him ever doping.

One could argue that he might have been doped without his knowledge, but there isn't anything I have ever seen, or anyone I have ever heard from, to support that claim with any facts.

I remember during the 1986 tour I heard he was even doing additional urine samples and photographing his urine samples to make sure they weren't tampered with since someone warned him he might be sabotaged. He was also the first I remember to really try to get the tour organizers to test more riders, more, randoms, and every starter before the race like they do now...

In my opinion he was clean. I am not so sure of any the other tour winners since.

 

[nia O'Malley]

I didn't find back yet the exact article, but this preview is pretty close to it:
Drug Use Said to Concern LeMond Attorney Claims Dutch Team Wanted Cyclist to Try Testosterone


LeMond stated that he left PDM because he wanted them to kick out Theunisse and another rider who tested positive in 1988, and they wouldn't do it. And like this article, he was worried to get doped against his will...

He signed for a very modest Belgian team (ADR) at the end of 1988, which was probably the only team he could find to leave PDM. Not a move that could seem justified by anything other than running away quickly from a very suspicious team...

He also stated he signed for Renault at the beginning of his career, while offered more money by Peugeot, but they had doping affairs going on...

His signing for Z for 1990 goes a bit in the same direction... He was proposed more money else where, but Z looked very clean.

Staying away from suspect teams seems to always have been quite a priority for him.

You know, it's nice to find one person you admired as a kid, dig stuff on him all you can, and find nothing but hints that that person was, in fact, actually admirable.

 

[callac]

You know, it's nice to find one person you admired as a kid, dig stuff on him all you can, and find nothing but hints that that person was, in fact, actually admirable.

Indeed...

I started digging old stuff like that a few years ago, because I was totally fed up to read over and over again that LeMond was just jealous (proof was that he supposedly started talking against doping only when LA reached his 3rd win...) while I clearly remembered from interviews in France that LeMond was always opposed to banned substances, and not shy on his anti-doping stance, long before Armstrong won his 1st Tour.

Archive news are always a nice source to support one's point...

 

[Mainerider]

Lemond hates Armstrong because he took away his title as best American cyclist.

Not sure Lemond really cares about this title...it's kind of like being the best Flemish baseball player.

 

[scribe]

Not sure Lemond really cares about this title...it's kind of like being the best Flemish baseball player.

Actually. Everyone in America knew who Lemond was in the early 90's.

 

[nia O'Malley]

Indeed...

I started digging old stuff like that a few years ago, because I was totally fed up to read over and over again that LeMond was just jealous (proof was that he supposedly started talking against doping only when LA reached his 3rd win...) while I clearly remembered from interviews in France that LeMond was always opposed to banned substances, and not shy on his anti-doping stance, long before Armstrong won his 1st Tour.

Archive news are always a nice source to support one's point...

Tsk, we've established that neither cycling nor France existed before Lancey won a tour. What is that "long before" you are talking about?

 

[marinoni]

Indeed...

I started digging old stuff like that a few years ago, because I was totally fed up to read over and over again that LeMond was just jealous (proof was that he supposedly started talking against doping only when LA reached his 3rd win...) while I clearly remembered from interviews in France that LeMond was always opposed to banned substances, and not shy on his anti-doping stance, long before Armstrong won his 1st Tour.

Archive news are always a nice source to support one's point...

You don't even have to take Lemond's word for it. Former DS's Guimard, Koechli, and Van Diemen have all said at various times that Lemond was clean. Guimard even said in an interview that Lemond was the only rider on the Renault Tour team not "specially prepared".

 

[powerste]

You don't even have to take Lemond's word for it. Former DS's Guimard, Koechli, and Van Diemen have all said at various times that Lemond was clean. Guimard even said in an interview that Lemond was the only rider on the Renault Tour team not "specially prepared".

I believe Johan when he says LA is clean

 

[MarvinK]

...plus it makes perfect sense that he was clean. I mean, sure--everyone else was doping at the time, and sure he was recovering from being shot and almost dying.. but he probably was just born enormously more gifted than anyone else. Isn't that what people said about Armstrong.. and now Contador.

I'm sorry, but if everyone else is doping... and you're beating them... you're probably doping. If everyone else is doping... and you almost die (cancer, being shot, whatever)... and you still handily beat everyone... you're doping. It doesn't make sense any other way.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I believe Johan when he says LA is clean

I believe you are a dweeb.

 

[nia O'Malley]

...plus it makes perfect sense that he was clean. I mean, sure--everyone else was doping at the time, and sure he was recovering from being shot and almost dying.. but he probably was just born enormously more gifted than anyone else. Isn't that what people said about Armstrong.. and now Contador.

I'm sorry, but if everyone else is doping... and you're beating them... you're probably doping. If everyone else is doping... and you almost die (cancer, being shot, whatever)... and you still handily beat everyone... you're doping. It doesn't make sense any other way.

But you don't understand that the minute really efficient dope came onto the market, Lemond faded out quicker than a pat of butter in the sunshine. Before that you had half a chance to get away with it, most stuff did more harm than good in the end, and things like hormones can always be produced naturally for the lucky ones, that type of stuff.
EPO couldn't possibly be countered by talent, and sure enough GL went down the drain overnight.
He also as good as admitted he was given testoterone or other things in 88 without his consent/prior awareness, and ran from PDM for that reason.

 

[blutto]

Actually as soon as "magic drugs" appear LeMond makes a miraculous recovery and wins two tours and a world championship. Just to refresh everyone's memory EPO was introduced/approved in 1989...and knowledge of it ,thru the clinical trials process, had been around long before that.

Cheers

Blutto

 

[nia O'Malley]

Haven't we been through this 3 or 4 times already in the week I've been here?

 

[Race Radio]

Haven't we been through this 3 or 4 times already in the week I've been here?

They are just interns. They do not know any better.

 

[Big Doopie]

Actually as soon as "magic drugs" appear LeMond makes a miraculous recovery and wins two tours and a world championship. Just to refresh everyone's memory EPO was introduced/approved in 1989...and knowledge of it ,thru the clinical trials process, had been around long before that.

Cheers

Blutto

ah, you are right, amazing powers of deduction, sherlock!

did you know that men have landed on the moon since i was born?

i must therefore be one of them.

 

[Benotti69]

ah, you are right, amazing powers of deduction, sherlock!

did you know that men have landed on the moon since i was born?

i must therefore be one of them.

so it was you who left a 'big doopie' on the moon, i can see that with a powerful telescope....

 

[VeloCity]

Actually as soon as "magic drugs" appear LeMond makes a miraculous recovery and wins two tours and a world championship. Just to refresh everyone's memory EPO was introduced/approved in 1989...and knowledge of it ,thru the clinical trials process, had been around long before that.

Cheers

Blutto

So show us the evidence that Lemond doped. The only reason anyone here believes Armstrong doped is because there's a ton of real evidence pointing in that direction. When there's the same for Lemond, we'll believe he was a doper as well. Until then, casting aspersions with absolutely nothing to back it up just comes across as fanboy sour grapes.

 

[The Real Deal]

Who cares if Armstrong doped? Eddy Merckx tested positive 3 times and yet everyone still considers him a hero.

Who was second in most Tours Armstrong won? Jan Ullrich. Did he dope? Yeah, no doubt about it. So even if Armstrong doped in all his Tours(I know for sure he doped in 1999) he still won against other dopers.

Honestly, LeMond is jealous because Armstrong has 7 Tour victories while he only has 3. That's the only reason why LeMond is doing this. Why does he believe everything Floyd Landis says by the way? That guy is one big fat pathetic lie. He even let his Team Manager call LeMond and he pretended he was his uncle who sexually abused him(Only Floyd knew LeMond's secret)

Why are they all of a sudden good friends?

Great post.

What people don't understand... If Lance is guilty, hes still going to be a HERO for millions & still top Greg LeMond.

 

[blutto]

ah, you are right, amazing powers of deduction, sherlock!

did you know that men have landed on the moon since i was born?

i must therefore be one of them.

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...was just responding to the inaccurate statement of the previous post...and yes it has been mentioned several times before...in fact its such common knowledge that its on Wiki...but that doesn't seem to register here...at least not with the esteemed elder statesmen who all over my ***...why didn't you go after the inaccuracy...or do your fanboy club rules frown on looking reality in the eye...other leaps of faith and logic are ok but don't mess with our boy...by the way your mama is calling, your milk and cookies are ready...

Cheers

blutto

 

[Benotti69]

Great post.

What people don't understand... If Lance is guilty, hes still going to be a HERO for millions & still top Greg LeMond.

what real people don't understand is that when real people find out what kind of doping LA did can made him do the impossible, and is not comparable to anyone in cycling before the 1990's will also make them look again and see him flying around the world in a private jet paid for with their cancer donations will also make real people think he is a fraud...

 

[Race Radio]

fanboy babble

As usual, nothing but babble.

If you want to know Lemond's real reaction to EPO read this

http://greglemond.com/blog/doping-and-those-we-love/

Despite generous financial offers to multiple former teammates there is zero evidence that Greg used EPO, or anything else for that matter. The only place this theory lives is in the uniformed minds of Armstrong and his groupies.

 

[Benotti69]

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blutto

TROLL.

Wiki is not a reliable source for the truth!

 

[blutto]

TROLL.

Wiki is not a reliable source for the truth!

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...hahahaha....you know you.are winning the argument when...thank you so very much...

...and by the way you can check the accuracy of the Wiki entry by looking in your CPS ( Compendium of Pharmaceuticals and Specialties: The Canadian Drug Reference for Health Professionals ) or your local equivalent...I used the Wiki reference because it has common currency usage though it is definitely a lowest common denominator item...sorry to be so low brow...

...the fact still stands...1989 may, as Mr. Armstrong pointed out, have some very interesting connotations...

...and just to clarify my position here...I don't have a dog in the Greg/Lance dust-up...in fact from my perspective, having lived thru the Greg era, I see Greg and Lance as two sides of a very thin coin...they are sort of like Lance1 and Lance2...and for them to tear each other apart in a battle royale would be so so sweet....

Cheers

blutto

 

[Race Radio]

Unsupported nonsense.

Do you really expect anyone to believe that Lemond somehow got his hands on an unapproved drug? Why is it that when that drug was approved and available in the Peloton he suddenly went backward?

I suppose it is possible that Greg won because he was given secret powers by space aliens, but so far there is no evidence of that either.

 

[nia O'Malley]

As usual, nothing but babble.

If you want to know Lemond's real reaction to EPO read this

http://greglemond.com/blog/doping-and-those-we-love/

Despite generous financial offers to multiple former teammates there is zero evidence that Greg used EPO, or anything else for that matter. The only place this theory lives is in the uniformed minds of Armstrong and his groupies.

You dare contradict Wikipedia The Great????