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Armstrong comments on Contador feud; "It was deliberate" - link in text.

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thehog said:
My god that's scary. Minus the Lance that surrounded at the time I just realised how good Contador is. He smashed them.

Yes, Greg LeMond said it was an all time power record for the Tour. It was very impressive.
 

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kurtinsc said:
Probably.

Lance's improvement will come from getting more bike time (as will Ivan Basso). Most expect guys who miss 2-3 years to need a full season before their bodies adjust to major racing again.

That improvement will be countered by whatever decrease in performance he gets from aging. It could be a net positive, or a net negative. I'm not sure anyone knows how much either factor will help or hurt. Going into the Tour, Lance had ridden The tour down under, the tour of california, milano sanremo, a couple of days of the tour of castilla and leon, the tour of the Gila, the Giro and the nevada city classic. About 40 days of racing after a 3 year break. And he did look stronger toward the end of the tour (5th on Ventoux) then he did early on.

Andy should improve a decent amount due to age and experience... Contador may as well (though it's possible he's already at his peak).

I honestly don't expect Lance to compete with either one of them unless something happens (a crash, not eating and bonking on a big climb, a windy stage where Lance can get a couple of minutes). But the fact is he outclimbed every contender BUT Andy and Alberto on Ventoux last year... which was thought to be the big climb of the Tour.

That's pretty much my take.
 
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HL2037 said:

Painful to watch this. I recorded it for the winter basement training and my daughter overwrote the last minutes with a Disney special. "Contador attacks and...Hellloooo Pooh Bear!" Too painful.

Funny quote there (in English among all Spanish comments) on the youtube:

"After Contador attacks and Andy goes after him, why are Armstrong and Klöden working in front of the group?"

Porque? indeed. So who here felixhausdorff?
 
Psalmon said:
Painful to watch this. I recorded it for the winter basement training and my daughter overwrote the last minutes with a Disney special. "Contador attacks and...Hellloooo Pooh Bear!" Too painful.

Funny quote there (in English among all Spanish comments) on the youtube:

"After Contador attacks and Andy goes after him, why are Armstrong and Klöden working in front of the group?"

Porque? indeed. So who here felixhausdorff?

Ha, shows what that guy knows about bike racing. They were obviously playing the good teammates and blocking, they were doing it flat out just to make sure that nobody in the line behind passed them, because all good teammates know that you can't block if you are not on the front.
 
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Psalmon said:
Painful to watch this. I recorded it for the winter basement training and my daughter overwrote the last minutes with a Disney special. "Contador attacks and...Hellloooo Pooh Bear!" Too painful.

Funny quote there (in English among all Spanish comments) on the youtube:

"After Contador attacks and Andy goes after him, why are Armstrong and Klöden working in front of the group?"

Porque? indeed. So who here felixhausdorff?

:rolleyes:
 
kurtinsc said:
I don't know that the simoni comparison is meaningful. Different people start to decline at different ages. Simoni's been dropping off for several years now. 4th in 2007, 10th in 2008, 24th in 2009.

Actually, this is a very good indicator to Lance's prospects. Simoni began his decline two, or even three seasons ago, depending where you take your marker from.
So, he was slipping by 35 or there abouts.
A 38, pushing 39 year old, would have to be very, very different, to get his performance curve moving in the opposite direction.

As for Contador having already peaked, at 26? Well that's just really wishful thinking and contrary to all your views on Lance.
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
Watching Kloden and Armstrong work to bring Contador back once again highlights what a tremendous douchebag Lance is.

Beautiful attack and win by Contador.

This. Armstrong is such an effin hypocrite. Why are Kloden and LA riding at the front at all?

I hope Armstrong gets crushed next year.
 
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richwagmn said:
This. Armstrong is such an effin hypocrite. Why are Kloden and LA riding at the front at all?

I hope Armstrong gets crushed next year.

he won't ride after next year. it would be nice to see LA do a full season of racing for once. theirs little doubt in my mind that he will be crushed
 
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Another great debate, I still don't understand how somebody can make the argument that instead of declining at 39 they can improve by 15%, I just can't understand that logic.
 
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franciep10 said:
Another great debate, I still don't understand how somebody can make the argument that instead of declining at 39 they can improve by 15%, I just can't understand that logic.

wishful_thinking.jpg
 

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franciep10 said:
Another great debate, I still don't understand how somebody can make the argument that instead of declining at 39 they can improve by 15%, I just can't understand that logic.

What calculation are you using to conclude Armstrong has to improve 15% by next year?
 
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You said that lance would instead of being 15th would be in the top 5

Now in the Annecy ITT

LA to be competitive around the top 5 would of had to of been 3% faster.

Lance would have to improve 3% more than others as guys like cancellara are not going to slow down and ac and someone like ignatiev are going to improve or stay the same pace.

In the Monaco ITT for lance to be competitive with ac or FC's time he would have to of been again around 3 to 3.5% faster.
 
Are any of you serious? Lance is going to kick everyone's *** next year! I mean, after 3 1/2 years off he comes back and nearly dominates. He will school AC and AS in 2010 ... simply will tear the peloton to pieces. He is the one and only most amazing athlete in the world!

:D
 
franciep10 said:
Another great debate, I still don't understand how somebody can make the argument that instead of declining at 39 they can improve by 15%, I just can't understand that logic.

I think the 15% number came from the recent Basso interview (at least that's where I recall reading that first).
 
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Earth Tribe said:
What calculation are you using to conclude Armstrong has to improve 15% by next year?

When I was reading through the thread somebody mentioned 15% percent improvement.

Edit: which basso article is that
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
Watching Kloden and Armstrong work to bring Contador back once again highlights what a tremendous douchebag Lance is.

Beautiful attack and win by Contador.

+1

Astana (Klöden & LA) chasing their own teammate spoke volumes.
 
Ripper said:
Are any of you serious? Lance is going to kick everyone's *** next year! I mean, after 3 1/2 years off he comes back and nearly dominates. He will school AC and AS in 2010 ... simply will tear the peloton to pieces. He is the one and only most amazing athlete in the world!

:D

Word. If it weren't for Lance, we'd never have explored the outer reaches of pharmacologically-induced performance.

Better cycling through chemistry. Lance reminds me of that soldier in the Incredible Hulk who took all those experimental drugs and turned into a freak.

:D