Armstrong statement imminent! Email exchanges to be revealed

[Dr. Maserati]

I think people with different opinions should be allowed to post on the forum without insults and baiting directed at them. If they are talking nonsense then it should be easy to refute what they say. In the other thread not one person chose to refute 'Gees' contention and instead hurled insults and claimed he is working for a PR company. It doesn't show this forum in a good light.

Hey.... I am one of those people.

I have asked "Gee" a question - which he appears unable to answer.

Even with all the different usernames you have had I never remember you writing a really long post with attachments, within 2 minutes.

And I most certainly did not 'insult' 'Gee" - they are only doing their job, albeit poorly.

 

[Cloxxki]

All I can see from these emails is that Floyd needs to learn the value of period when writing.

Ha, and I was just going to say that the Kay and Landis emails seemed 100% like something I would be writing when asked to on their behalf.

Seems Landis got smart, or smart got into him. His emails are very well thought out, paint the picture he needs to in case it should be published, and at the same time are honest. A man needs a job, and a man has to do what a man has to do. He tries to clean up cycling, the xxxth one-man attempt at it, and no-one will ever do it the right way for everyone. One might try to call him hypocrit for pretty much offering himself to RS as a rider, but I wonder if he'd even accept the bribe if he were offered it. In fact, such a bribe offer would be THE way to pro-actively launch a one-man clean-up campaign.

I was a fan boy pretty much until Twitter started. Read the books, admired the guy. All at once you got a look inside of the Man's head, and it wasn't a pretty sight. I actually had some very serious business ideas to present to Lance, until I got to read up on his business, and the flood of tweets. I still believe he's the most gifted cyclist out there, just the belief that he's always been clean...I shook that off. If I feel a sense of disliking to a rider's personality, they often show up in the wrong headtimes. Or retire from the sport quietly.
I like Landis, sucks to hear he doped all along. I did feel he was capable of more than just helping, and he proved that. Except he got caught.

 

[bobbins]

heres a good one

by Allycs on May 21, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Armstrong is THE most tested athlete in the history of professional sports.

I think this tale was started by Lance himself. I don;t remember any testing agency releasing data in testing frequency, all goes towards the self manufactured myth.

 

[Aerodynamic]

Hey.... I am one of those people.

I have asked "Gee" a question - which he appears unable to answer.

Even with all the different usernames you have had I never remember you writing a really long post with attachments, within 2 minutes.

And I most certainly did not 'insult' 'Gee" - they are only doing their job, albeit poorly.

I am not Gee.

He was repeatedly insulted and baited by many users who claim to be against trolling.

You also know that he is probably not from a PR company. There would not be much point in a PR company coming to this forum - they are used to manage the mass media, not doping forums for a hand full of 'dedicated' fans. He probably just cross posted something from one of the many threads on this issue around the net.

I'm sure other people have been accused of the same thing.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I am not Gee.

He was repeatedly insulted and baited by many users who claim to be against trolling.

You also know that he is probably not from a PR company. There would not be much point in a PR company coming to this forum - they are used to manage the mass media, not doping forums for a hand full of 'dedicated' fans. He probably just cross posted something from one of the many threads on this issue around the net.

I'm sure other people have been accused of the same thing.

Really?

You should check Public Strategies website here under 'Social Media':

We help our clients build plans for utilizing social media in a way that works with their brand identification and communication goals. We also help them identify potential risks and strategies should any unwelcome scrutiny or attention occur.

Also- I never said you were 'Gee' - I said you were the poster who has had multiple usernames (40+) like Sproket01 & BPC.

 

[shawnrohrbach]

You can take my approach.

I just look at guys racing on bikes and find it entertaining. To be perfectly honest... I'm okay with whatever level of doping is going on... I don't care if they're clean.

I just want to see a good race.



The only reason I follow the doping stuff is I do like to know who will actually be eligible to race... and doping suspensions are a part of that now.

The problem I have with it is the magnitude of the lying and cheating. By magnitude I mean the payoff. It really isn't about the winning as much as it is about the cash that is the result of winning. It's no longer about being an athlete, it's about being a very rich and famous jacked up drone who can cash in even after they have stopped pretending to be an athlete. At least Floyd is honest about it. He did it to win and then make a lot of money. The "club" keeps telling us he is a crazy alcoholic, but I watch the guy, listen to him and read his emails, and I go "Huh?" I know some crazy alcoholics and they don't act like this.

 

[Ripper]

Hmmmm.

After reading the emails from the F-man and Dr. K, I might recommend to them to not write emails. Wow.

 

[BYOP88]

I think this tale was started by Lance himself. I don;t remember any testing agency releasing data in testing frequency, all goes towards the self manufactured myth.

Yeah maybe Lance can release the statistics he's collected from all the testing agencies, I'm interested to see who's 2nd on that list.

Also for all you Lance fans out there, don't worry he will cycle in France again, I remember a few years ago they had a convicts "tour de france", brings a whole new meaning to chain gang.

 

[Aerodynamic]

Really?

You should check Public Strategies website here under 'Social Media':

They may well have suggested the twitter account for that purpose. Also the youtube videos. But it's very unlikely they have people going around forums, particuarly this one. I know how they work. Why would they need to do that - he already has lots of real fans.

Also- I never said you were 'Gee' - I said you were the poster who has had multiple usernames (40+) like Sproket01 & BPC.

Then you would be wrong.

 

[Anonymous]

"But it's very unlikely they have people going around forums, particuarly this one. I know how they work."

ok then...case settled...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Nice to see you back Shawn. I see the same.

Good post, Cloxxki. I was thinking pretty much the same.

I read the letters, and I don't really see anything damning to Floyd. They seem actually surprisingly articulate, and very reasonable. It's as if RS or someone is trying to toss it all out there, hoping something sticks and will get pulled out and show Floyd in a different context. But I don't see it. It actually makes them look a little desperate.

As to "most tested" claim, as we on here have posted many times, logic would dictate it isn't true, and never was. The more you race, and place, the more you will be tested. Thus, during Lance's prime it's very likely that Mario Cipollini, Laurent Jalabert, Erik Zabel and Robbie McEwen were all tested more. Quite possibly several other riders. Testing increased some after his time off, but even then McEwen (again), Cancellara, Boonen, Contador, and probably several others faced more tests.

Then again, testing doesn't really mean anything, does it? Kohl said he was tested about 200 times, some the day he doped, and wasn't caught until the very end because he was hopped up on CERA. Plus, as we all know (right?) HGH, autologous blood packing, etc. are undetectable.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I like how the capitalized words function. I think to myself, reading the sentence Lance is the most tested athlete....tested at every stage....clean etc and think, well, there may be facts that counter those claims. But after rereading it and noticing those words in all caps in their 12 point vortex of capitalized glory - oh and it is a vortex that will suck you in - I'm completely convinced by the Lance rhetoric. Nothing says conviction like a word in all caps.

Sorry dudes, I've joined the dark side.

CAPS LOCK PWNS LANDIS!!!1

This is Lances testing history from 1999 to 2004, as published in L'Equipe in 2005 - these numbers are the total number for each year, not just the TdF.


1999: 15 urine tests
2000: 12 urine tests
2001: 10 urine tests
2002: 9 urine tests
2003: 9 urine tests including the search for HES,
2004: 8 urine tests and 1 blood test for the detection of hemoglobin synthesis.

UCI controls from 1999 to 2004 in total = 63. or 10.5 per year.

 

[Aerodynamic]

"But it's very unlikely they have people going around forums, particuarly this one. I know how they work."

ok then...case settled...

So you think all of Lance's fans, hundreds of thousands of them signed up to his twitter, are all paid by a PR company? They are real people.

And what would be the purpose of sending people into a forum like this to stand up for him?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

They may well have suggested the twitter account for that purpose. Also the youtube videos. But it's very unlikely they have people going around forums, particuarly this one. I know how they work. Why would they need to do that - he already has lots of real fans.



Then you would be wrong.

Yes Twitter AND Wiki, what a suprise that a PR company helps people with a Wiki page! Wouldn't a 'forum' be a form of 'Social Media'?

So, how do they work - since you appear to know more about it then Public Strategies do......

The social media landscape continues to change, expanding its reach and growing more complex on a daily basis. Whether it is using social networking websites, blogs, video sharing sites, wikis, or micro media tools like Twitter, social media enables people with a vested interest to communicate to thousands within seconds, garner opinion and amplify positive sentiment to a wide audience.

We help our clients build plans for utilizing social media in a way that works with their brand identification and communication goals. We also help them identify potential risks and strategies should any unwelcome scrutiny or attention occur.

Are you denying that you posted before under the username Sproket01 ?

 

[Aerodynamic]

Yes Twitter AND Wiki, what a suprise that a PR company helps people with a Wiki page! Wouldn't a 'forum' be a form of 'Social Media'?

So, how do they work - since you appear to know more about it then Public Strategies do......



Are you denying that you posted before under the username Sproket01 ?

Yes.

They will suggest how to go about it, perhaps help them set up a site and be there for technical help. They're not going to spend money on people arguing the case in an internet forum. The PR people would be helping them with press conferences and statements to the mass media, that sort of thing, not arguing with people who post fail pictures.

 

[Anonymous]

They may well have suggested the twitter account for that purpose. Also the youtube videos. But it's very unlikely they have people going around forums, particuarly this one. I know how they work. Why would they need to do that - he already has lots of real fans.
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it is well known he does..

For instance, someone created a sp00f "lambstrong" twitter/bloog and within days had an intern from livestrong threatening him with legal action.

Add to that there are interns whos responsibility it is to make sure that nothing is changed on Lance and other peoples wiki pages that is any way detrimental to the lord they worship. And if anything is changed or added they change it back immediately.

So yes, Livestrong has interns who browse the internet all day long.. that is proven fact..

 

[Aerodynamic]

it is well known he does..

For instance, someone created a sp00f "lambstrong" twitter/bloog and within days had an intern from livestrong threatening him with legal action.

Add to that there are interns whos responsibility it is to make sure that nothing is changed on Lance and other peoples wiki pages that is any way detrimental to the lord they worship. And if anything is changed or added they change it back immediately.

So yes, Livestrong has interns who browse the internet all day long.. that is proven fact..

Those are probably fans, not interns. But there is a difference between checking around the web and employing passionate people to argue the case for you on the internet.

This guy likely had two posts in a short period because he typed out the responses on word before responding.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yes.

They will suggest how to go about it, perhaps help them set up a site and be there for technical help. They're not going to spend money on people arguing the case in an internet forum. The PR people would be helping them with press conferences and statements to the mass media, that sort of thing, not arguing with people who post fail pictures.

When you say 'helping them with their statements', do you mean like being able to write up a very long post with attachments within 2 minutes of their previous post - and then not answering specific questions??

We also help them identify potential risks and strategies should any unwelcome scrutiny or attention occur.

BTW - when you said "yes", what were you refering to?

 

[Bala Verde]

Lemond supports Landis, in a way:

Sporza in dutch

I believe Landis when he says that cycling is corrupt [...] Floy wants to come clean, and I support him in that [..] I undertsand that many people will doubt his story, because he has changed it a number of times. However, I am in favour of a radical change"

ugh wrong thread....

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

ROTFLMAO!

While I agree that the emails don't seem particularly damning, it does indicate that Floyd was willing to accept an either/or, which DOES indicate a quid pro quo in law...

Where?

Check the dates when the emails were written, as well as when they were forwarded, and check who wrote what!

Floyd is not threatening to tell USADA if he is not let in the race. He is promising to tell USADA and pushing others to play a part in exposing the truth.

"I'm in the process of arranging, within the next two weeks, another meeting with USADA in which I name the racers and staff who helped me to use performance enhancing drugs and avoid detection and am led to believe, by the stance that the Tour of California has taken, that you would be interested in joining us in that meeting so as to ascertain information about which teams to invite in the future." April 24

Instead, what I see is Kay trying to broker a settlement between Armstong, Messick and Landis.

"Anyway my idea is for you to ride with lance on his team, have them work to re-build your image and be fairly compensated as a Tour de France Champion. *Everyone, particularly the fans, would love to see this. *I’m pretty sure that both you and Lance will not want to do this and that is why I am asking you to do it for me and my family. *I think you have done enough good things now and have just about regained all of your champion form that they should be able to figure out the media part of it. *They are the biggest and best in the world at that stuff so while it might be very challenging it should not be that difficult with your current story...." April 28

The only suggestion of a quid pro quo I could find was in relation to a tent site at ToC. Landis suggests that either the team should be in the race or the money for the tent site returned.

"Therefore I think it reasonable, in the event that you cannot add his team to the TOC, that you refund the 40K that Dr Kay has paid for the tent since, for one he has been snubbed from the race and moreover the 40K along with all of the other money that you leverage from small American teams ends up deposited directly into Lance Armstrongs account as an appearance fee." April 22

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Are you denying that you posted before under the username Sproket01 ?

...........

 

[the_kman]

tell ya what would be awesome??

if landis was actually a good rider and won some races...

 

[BroDeal]

This is Lances testing history from 1999 to 2004, as published in L'Equipe in 2005 - these numbers are the total number for each year, not just the TdF.


1999: 15 urine tests
2000: 12 urine tests
2001: 10 urine tests
2002: 9 urine tests
2003: 9 urine tests including the search for HES,
2004: 8 urine tests and 1 blood test for the detection of hemoglobin synthesis.

UCI controls from 1999 to 2004 in total = 63. or 10.5 per year.

Jeebus. How many races did Cipo or Zabel or McEwen win during those years? Some of those sprinters were winning twenty races a year. They would have been tested for each win. In addition there would have been a few random tests.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

More than that BroDeal. Depending on the race, they would have been subject to more testing every time they wore a leader (or KOM or points) jersey in any tour as well (GT or otherwise). You'll recall that Cipo and Jaja wore quite a few jerseys in the Giro, Tour, and Vuelta. As did the others.

 

[Bala Verde]

More than that BroDeal. Depending on the race, they would have been subject to more testing every time they wore a leader (or KOM or points) jersey in any tour as well (GT or otherwise). You'll recall that Cipo and Jaja wore quite a few jerseys in the Giro, Tour, and Vuelta. As did the others.

Which explains the main reason for teams to 'take the GC jersey as late as possible in the race'.